From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2014 #1607 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe:mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website:http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, December 22 2014 Volume 2014 : Number 1607 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: WTH?, njc [Jamie Zubairi home ] Re: WTH?, njc [Jimmy Stewart ] Re: Dream of Joni [Anita Gabrielle ] Joni's Christmas Tree [c Karma ] "Wild" [Michael Sentance ] re: Joni's Christmas tree [c Karma ] Dream of Joni [Kate Johnson ] PS: Ringo? Damn Right! [simon@icu.com] Re: WTH?, njc ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Ringo, njc ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2014 11:07:56 +0000 From: Jamie Zubairi home Subject: Re: WTH?, njc I love the story in interview when they were asked something like, "with the band this successful, how is it like working with someone who isn't the best best drummer in the world?" (I'm paraphrasing) to which Lennon quipped "He isn't even the best drummer in the band!" Jamie Zubairi Actor, Artist, Voiceover, Photographer On 20 Dec 2014 23:38, "Jimmy Stewart" wrote: > I agree.......REALLY? One hell of a drummer! > > Jimmy > > ....gesendet von meinem iPhone > > > On Dec 20, 2014, at 5:42 PM, Michael Paz > wrote: > > > > Really?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Dec 20, 2014, at 8:47 AM, Jim L'Hommedieu > > > wrote: > > > > I'm sure that The Beatles were inducted into the Rock Hall long ago. > > > > This year, they inducted Ringo on his own right. What the hell? Based > on what > > criteria does Ringo deserve to be singled out? > > > > Jim ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2014 18:31:03 -0500 From: Jimmy Stewart Subject: Re: WTH?, njc I agree.......REALLY? One hell of a drummer! Jimmy ....gesendet von meinem iPhone > On Dec 20, 2014, at 5:42 PM, Michael Paz wrote: > > Really?? > > > > > > > On Dec 20, 2014, at 8:47 AM, Jim L'Hommedieu > wrote: > > I'm sure that The Beatles were inducted into the Rock Hall long ago. > > This year, they inducted Ringo on his own right. What the hell? Based on what > criteria does Ringo deserve to be singled out? > > Jim ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2014 18:49:02 +0000 From: Anita Gabrielle Subject: Re: Dream of Joni Great share, Kate. I love dreams and several thoughts came to me. When the car veers off the oiled road onto the snow, is it scary or safe? Both roads sound a bit precarious to me and I wonder which road you should take, but then it's your dream...... You say that Joni and your Mother shared the 'domestic arts'. I couldn't help noticing you describe your Mother as fairly conservative and Joni has a sign on her that says 'reserved'. Any other link, apart from the domestic, there? And how come you care about the undercarriage but dream Joni doesn't? Yours in fascination Anita > On 21 Dec 2014, at 17:13, Kate Johnson wrote: > > My mother, deceased for nine years now, is with me in the city. We are in a > very large multi-plex type of theatre, and in the gallery outside it, against > the end wall, we see Joni Mitchell. She is hanging, as if on a hook, on the > wall outside one of the individual theatre entrances. She looks quite > comfortable, and is wearing across her chest a sign that says "Reserved." > > I think there is probably going to be a gathering where she is the star guest, > and that the sign refers to this. (It is not till I sit down to write this > dream report that it occurs to me it may refer to Joni's reticence, itself, > which, if her public interviews mean anything, doesn't actually exist.) I say > hello and Joni is, as always with her adoring public, pleasant and friendly. > > Later I am in a fancy car with Joni, who is driving, when she takes a route > that leads the vehicle onto a road that has recently been heavily oiled. > I say "Not there!" and as she continues in that direction and I am concerned > about the cleanliness of the car's undercarriage but she does not seem to be, > I add, "Rental car?" > "No, mine," she says. > "You drove all the way here from B.C.?" I say. We are in Saskatchewan, where I > live. > "That's right," she replies, and veers off the oiled road, and up over a long > ridge of piled-up-high snow that the car will probably get hung up on. > > <><><><><><><><> > > Over the years I have had dreams (sleeping dreams, not hopes) of meeting up > with Joni as if we are old friends, and I get a kick out of these. We are two > gals raised in the same province, both with experience of childhood in a small > town, though she is a generation ahead of me and, while unlike my mother, who > was fairly conservative, also like her in some waysbperhaps the importance > to them both of the "domestic" arts. > > Anyway, I'm just sharing this for the hell of it. Other people's dreams are > often (maybe always) dull as dishwater in the recounting, and this will have > been too, but ... what the hell. Anything Joni goes! > > Kate of the North > > b?b > 1b.b?b > 1b.b?b > 1b. > Stubblejumpin'Gal > http://goldengrainfarm.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 01:11:51 +0000 From: c Karma Subject: Joni's Christmas Tree Does anyone know if Joni sets up a Christmas tree in any of her homes? I know that her early recounts of her hospitalization with polio mentioned that in throes of despair she would pray to the Christmas tree for recovery. (I don't know if I'm dramatically embellishing that but it's what I recall from older interviews.) If she does include a tree and decorate for the holidays, I wonder if it is something upon which she lavishes special attention and/or dresses it with heirlooms and mementos. Thoughts... Tinsel? Garland? Beads? Crystal drops? Small or large light bulbs? Clear or Frosted? White or colors? Flashing or constant lit? Perhaps Neil Young gifted her a set of Lionel trains for around the base? What does your Joni Christmas tree look like? CC ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2014 11:38:58 -0500 From: Michael Sentance Subject: "Wild" Several reviews of the film "Wild" cite Joni Mitchell as part of the film's soundtrack. But there's no Joni on the released CD/soundtrack. Curious. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 03:56:25 +0000 From: c Karma Subject: re: Joni's Christmas tree Well, you have to love this google machine. Magic. You type in Joni Mitchell Christmas Tree, and this pops upfrom her recent NPR interview in mid-December: Part of your time in the hospital as a little girl was being told you could never walk again. Well, not exactly told, but intimated. Here's the way it went down. You know, it's coming close to Christmas. I got my tree in my room and everything, and a doctor  young doctor who got polio, so he's in a wheelchair  comes into my room. And I say to him, "I want to go home for Christmas." And he says, "You can't." And I said, "Why not?" "Because you can't walk." I said, "Well, what if I walked?" He said, "You can't even stand up." I said, "Well, what if I stood and walked?" And he did this: He looked at the ceiling, he heaved a big sigh, looked at his knees, and rolled himself out of the room. Right? He's like, "I'm not going to argue with this kid," you know? You know, 'cause he was never going to walk again, so  but I didn't give up. I could not accept that I was going to be a pretzel for the rest of my life. It just was  and my back was severely twisted and, you know, I had no balance, so he was right. I couldn't even  I was a broken doll.You did it on your own, as a kid.On my own, with just my Christmas-tree light on. So Christmas to me is all about the tree. I have to put up a tree. And I have two ornaments off that polio tree left, from the original ones. They're papier-mache, and so every year they fall apart more, but I've got two left. To me, that's the best part of Christmas, is the tree. 'Cause I  and I just kept working my legs, working my legs, and then one day I said to them, "I want to try and walk." So they wheeled me into this corridor, and they lifted me up and I put my arms on these chrome bars, and I pulled myself along to the end. I turned myself around, I came back, and then I said, "Now can I go home?" "Well, you'll have to wear braces. You'll have to wear," you know, "metal-lined boots. You'll have to have a wheelchair." I said, "Look, my bedroom's on the second floor. My parents are going to really  I'll be a nuisance to them," you know? "I can't be a nuisance to them," you know? "So I'm gonna have to drag myself up those goddamn stairs, one way or another." So I did. So that kind of attitude, you know, it's the fighting Irish, eh? I guess that's what it is. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2014 11:13:31 -0600 From: Kate Johnson Subject: Dream of Joni My mother, deceased for nine years now, is with me in the city. We are in a very large multi-plex type of theatre, and in the gallery outside it, against the end wall, we see Joni Mitchell. She is hanging, as if on a hook, on the wall outside one of the individual theatre entrances. She looks quite comfortable, and is wearing across her chest a sign that says "Reserved." I think there is probably going to be a gathering where she is the star guest, and that the sign refers to this. (It is not till I sit down to write this dream report that it occurs to me it may refer to Joni's reticence, itself, which, if her public interviews mean anything, doesn't actually exist.) I say hello and Joni is, as always with her adoring public, pleasant and friendly. Later I am in a fancy car with Joni, who is driving, when she takes a route that leads the vehicle onto a road that has recently been heavily oiled. I say "Not there!" and as she continues in that direction and I am concerned about the cleanliness of the car's undercarriage but she does not seem to be, I add, "Rental car?" "No, mine," she says. "You drove all the way here from B.C.?" I say. We are in Saskatchewan, where I live. "That's right," she replies, and veers off the oiled road, and up over a long ridge of piled-up-high snow that the car will probably get hung up on. <><><><><><><><> Over the years I have had dreams (sleeping dreams, not hopes) of meeting up with Joni as if we are old friends, and I get a kick out of these. We are two gals raised in the same province, both with experience of childhood in a small town, though she is a generation ahead of me and, while unlike my mother, who was fairly conservative, also like her in some waysbperhaps the importance to them both of the "domestic" arts. Anyway, I'm just sharing this for the hell of it. Other people's dreams are often (maybe always) dull as dishwater in the recounting, and this will have been too, but ... what the hell. Anything Joni goes! Kate of the North b?b 1b.b?b 1b.b?b 1b. Stubblejumpin'Gal http://goldengrainfarm.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2014 17:21:22 -0500 From: simon@icu.com Subject: PS: Ringo? Damn Right! Jim, You might also want to read the following article. HUFFINGTON POST Dec. 20, 2014 Ringo Starr: Fifty Years Later and the Birth of the Beatles by John Whitehead Aug. 13, 2012 AndSoItGoes, - - - - - - - - - simonM ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2014 00:16:49 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: WTH?, njc While the 3 songwriters were creating fantastic masterpieces, Ringo was... sitting... on the throne. Keeping time!! To be singled out for the Rock Hall, one should have a solo career, eh? Henley, yes. Springsteen, easily. Gabriel, yes. Stills, yes. Clapton, sure. Timberlake, probably. Michael Jackson, reluctantly. On the other hand, Ringo organized The All Starr Band and had three singles. Who's next? Julian Lennon? Klaus Voorman? Yoko? I know it is Christmas, but sometimes reason completely overwhelms sentiment. Jim > On Dec 20, 2014, at 6:31 PM, Jimmy Stewart > > I agree.......REALLY? One hell of a drummer! > >> On Dec 20, 2014, at 5:42 PM, Michael Paz >> Really?? >> >> >> On Dec 20, 2014, at 8:47 AM, Jim L'Hommedieu >> wrote: >> Based on what >> criteria does Ringo deserve to be singled out? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 01:23:25 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Ringo, njc I'm enjoying the debate. Obviously I've listened to Ringo more than I've listened to anyone else. I can't argue about his contribution to The Beatles. Sure. But I think about something Buddy Rich said to Johnny Carson, long ago. "Ringo plays like he has a club in each hand. He sets drumming back 2,000 years." If you are playing simple stuff, you actually want a thicker stick because it doesn't bounce. And for the amazingly fast stuff that Rich did, you NEED a thinner stick. And it also makes sense that singer-songwriters are gonna keep the drummer roped down much of the time. Not everyone gets to cut loose like Max does at the end of the live version of "Born In The USA". But if all of your contributions demonstrate ONLY that your gig kept you under wraps, ask yourself this: does that demonstrate that you are a team player, or that your contribution to the craft was so awesome that you should be singled out for recognition as among the best of the best? After I've heard Stewart Copeland, Bernard Purdie, Bill Bruford, mighty Max, and Neil Pert, it's hard to give props to Phil Collins and Ringo. Jim, who admittedly is limited to rimshots on tabletops. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2014 #1607 ****************************** ------- To post messages to the list,sendtojoni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------