From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2014 #1582 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe:mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website:http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, December 14 2014 Volume 2014 : Number 1582 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Love Actually (spoiler alert) ["Cassy" ] Joni Covers Volume 202 - I'm a wild seed again [Bob Muller ] RE: Said or sad? ["Susan E. McNamara" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2014 11:07:25 -0800 From: "Cassy" Subject: Re: Love Actually (spoiler alert) I'm literally laughing out loud right now remembering the latest episode of "Family Guy" with the efforts to get Jesus "laid." At the end of the show, Stewie opens his Christmas gift to find a Joni Mitchell CD a la "Love Actually." I had to explain it to Brad. love, Cassy - -----Original Message----- From: Catherine McKay Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 9:15 AM To: Jamie Zubairi home ; Joni JMDL Subject: Re: Love Actually (spoiler alert) What does it say about me that I still like that feckin' movie whilst howling with laughter on reading this article (which I also read last year, and which I enjoyed just as much.) From: Jamie Zubairi home To: Joni JMDL Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 10:35 AM Subject: Love Actually (spoiler alert) I'm sure we've all seen this film by now. What the writer says about the Joni Mitchell sections... I'm sure we've all thought it! http://jezebel.com/i-rewatched-love-actually-and-am-here-to-ruin-it-for-al-14 85136388 Jamie Zubairi Actor, Artist, Voiceover, Photographer ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2014 14:36:57 +0000 (UTC) From: Bob Muller Subject: Joni Covers Volume 202 - I'm a wild seed again Happy weekend y'all! Getting back on the covers train after a weekend away from things. And herewith is another BRAND NEW set, trying to stay on schedule to avoid falling farther behind... Volume 202 for your consumption and enjoyment. Most of these tracks from 2013, but going all the way back to 1970 with some rare vinyl by Andre Herve. Kicking off this one is a much-sought-after recording, Janet Jackson's cover of BOBW, this was supposed to be released as part of the "Case of Joni" CD but got shelved. Kevin Sandbloom put his spin on the entire Blue LP, I've released a couple tracks from it, all of which I really dig, and here's his take on "Richard", equally tasty. Other selections from Joni Tribs are from Brian Kennedy, Sally Barker, NereideB and Irma Schultz, who tosses in a Swedish-language cover of "People's Parties". And back to Brian Kennedy's "Strange Boy"....wow, just wow. Some great recordings from names that may not be as familiar, like Vanessa Jacquemin and Sarah Hiltz, who gives us a bouncy swinging piano-jazz Chelsea Morning. Four River's for your holiday listening. Mathieu Kowalski's BITB is actually a cover of the Lou Barlow version and as such is a tad strange. 79+ minutes of Joni covers, here's the link and the Table of Contents: https://www.yousendit.com/download/UlRUTGs1YUkrV3dFSzhUQw 1. Janet Jackson - Beat of Black Wings2. Sarah Darling - River3. Kevin Sandbloom - The Last Time I Saw Richard4. Steve Wilson - The Dry Cleaner From Des Moines5. Cantus Vocum - Both Sides Now6. Adam James - Woodstock7. Courtney Paulson & Steve Sullivan - River8. Andre Herve - Big Yellow Taxi9. Sally Barker - Chelsea Morning10. Irma - Folks Fester (People's Parties/Swedish)11. Brian Kennedy - A Strange Boy12. The Whiskeybelles - River13. Vanessa Jacquemin - Cherokee Louise14. Sarah Hiltz - Chelsea Morning15. Nereide - My Old Man16. Natsu Naji - Both Sides Now17. Hurray For The Riff Raff - River18. Carlie Fairburn - Woodstock19 Mathieu Kowalski - The Blonde In The Bleachers 19 songs, 19 hits. Enjoy. Bob NP: Sarah Hiltz, "Chelsea Morning" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2014 19:19:38 +0000 From: "Susan E. McNamara" Subject: RE: Said or sad? Thanks Catherine. If we ever get a straight answer from the horse's mouth, and its "said" I will not be "sad." :-) Susan Tierney McNamara email: sem8@cornell.edu - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Catherine McKay Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 2:05 PM To: Susan E. McNamara; Jim L'Hommedieu Cc: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Said or sad? I've obviously not paid a lot of attention to the words of this song because it all sounds brand new to me. This has never been my favourite Joni song. The girl does have a way with words, though, doesn't she? I'll have to have another look and listen to that song. I'd lean towards "so much said" (because that's how I hear it, and sometimes silence says a lot, and who truly listens? Most of us are just waiting for our chance to spew our own words!) but I agree that you can say "so much sad" and that it could very well be interpreted that way and make sense. Joni herself has said, "What does it mean to you?" I know for a fact that there are plenty of things I've heard in my own way (some would say "wrong") and I'm sometimes disappointed to find out that what I heard in my own way was actually said in a different way. In other words, don't expect this to be resolved. From: Susan E. McNamara To: Jim L'Hommedieu Cc: "joni@smoe.org" Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 10:20 AM Subject: RE: Said or sad? I was thinking of it in context of the whole song: Where do Songs To Aging Children Come from .... Some come dark and strange like dying [like from] crows and ravens whistling [like from] lines of weeping, strings of crying [like at a funeral] So much sad/said in listening [the feeling of sadness comes from listening to these songs/so much is said about these songs from listening] I've also thought about the Canadian dialect too because Joni's rhyming sequencing is not always usual: Strange Ravens Strings Said Come Crows Crying sad Hmmm ... I'm not convinced yet ... carry on.B :-) Susan Tierney McNamara email:B sem8@cornell.edu - -----Original Message----- From: Jim L'Hommedieu [mailto:jlhommedieu@insight.rr.com] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 12:12 AM To: Susan E. McNamara Cc: joni@smoe.org Subject: Said or sad? Sue, I think she said, "said".B First, at the time, she had only been off the prairie a short time, eh? The prairie pronunciation of "about" is very different from the one heard in Ithaca too.B They do funny things with vowels up there.B I think the A sound in said comes out sounding like "egg" to my Ohioan ears. Secondly, I think that "sad" is overtly poetic, which would be a little unusual for Joni. (Although she was flowery in the early days, so who knows?) Lastly, Said/listening makes an interesting dichotomy and you know how she ***lives*** in duality. Interesting question though. Sometimes I like to ponder this stuff. For a long time, I thought she was deliberately ambiguous.B Now, I'm uncertain of the ambiguity.B (!) There are scores of things like that in her songs, unlike Steve Miller.B You know: > dance, dance, dance > let's make some ro- > nance Nothing unclear there.B I hope Malka has a comment. Jim ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2014 20:53:25 +0000 From: "Susan E. McNamara" Subject: RE: Said or sad? Technically, yes. I'm willing to let it go now. :-) Susan Tierney McNamara email: sem8@cornell.edu - -----Original Message----- From: Richard Flynn [mailto:rflynn@frontiernet.net] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 3:49 PM To: Susan E. McNamara Cc: Catherine McKay; Jim L'Hommedieu; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Said or sad? The lyrics in the gatefold of Clouds says "said." Isn't that the horse's mouth? Richard Flynn Professor of Literature Georgia Southern University https://sites.google.com/a/georgiasouthern.edu/rflynn http://georgiasouthern.academia.edu/RichardFlynn > On Dec 12, 2014, at 2:19 PM, Susan E. McNamara wrote: > > Thanks Catherine. If we ever get a straight answer from the horse's > mouth, and its "said" I will not be "sad." :-) > > Susan Tierney McNamara > email: sem8@cornell.edu > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of > Catherine McKay > Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 2:05 PM > To: Susan E. McNamara; Jim L'Hommedieu > Cc: joni@smoe.org > Subject: Re: Said or sad? > > I've obviously not paid a lot of attention to the words of this song because it all sounds brand new to me. This has never been my favourite Joni song. The girl does have a way with words, though, doesn't she? I'll have to have another look and listen to that song. > > I'd lean towards "so much said" (because that's how I hear it, and sometimes silence says a lot, and who truly listens? Most of us are just waiting for our chance to spew our own words!) but I agree that you can say "so much sad" and that it could very well be interpreted that way and make sense. Joni herself has said, "What does it mean to you?" I know for a fact that there are plenty of things I've heard in my own way (some would say "wrong") and I'm sometimes disappointed to find out that what I heard in my own way was actually said in a different way. > In other words, don't expect this to be resolved. > > From: Susan E. McNamara > To: Jim L'Hommedieu > Cc: "joni@smoe.org" > Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 10:20 AM > Subject: RE: Said or sad? > > I was thinking of it in context of the whole song: > > Where do Songs To Aging Children Come from .... > > Some come dark and strange like dying > [like from] crows and ravens whistling [like from] lines of weeping, > strings of crying [like at a funeral] So much sad/said in listening > [the feeling of sadness comes from listening to these songs/so much is > said about these songs from listening] > > I've also thought about the Canadian dialect too because Joni's rhyming sequencing is not always usual: > > Strange > Ravens > Strings > Said > > Come > Crows > Crying > sad > > Hmmm ... I'm not convinced yet ... carry on.B :-) > > Susan Tierney McNamara > email:B sem8@cornell.edu > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim L'Hommedieu [mailto:jlhommedieu@insight.rr.com] > Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 12:12 AM > To: Susan E. McNamara > Cc: joni@smoe.org > Subject: Said or sad? > > Sue, I think she said, "said".B First, at the time, she had only been off the prairie a short time, eh? > > The prairie pronunciation of "about" is very different from the one heard in Ithaca too.B They do funny things with vowels up there.B I think the A sound in said comes out sounding like "egg" to my Ohioan ears. > > Secondly, I think that "sad" is overtly poetic, which would be a > little unusual for Joni. (Although she was flowery in the early days, > so who knows?) > > Lastly, Said/listening makes an interesting dichotomy and you know how > she > ***lives*** in duality. > > Interesting question though. > > Sometimes I like to ponder this stuff. For a long time, I thought she > was deliberately ambiguous.B Now, I'm uncertain of the ambiguity.B > (!) > > There are scores of things like that in her songs, unlike Steve > Miller.B You > know: > >> dance, dance, dance >> let's make some ro- >> nance > > Nothing unclear there.B I hope Malka has a comment. > > Jim ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2014 #1582 ****************************** ------- To post messages to the list,sendtojoni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------