From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2014 #1504 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe:mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website:http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, November 30 2014 Volume 2014 : Number 1504 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: That Joni Mitchell group on Facebook [Catherine McKay ] Re: That Joni Mitchell group on Facebook [Victor Johnson ] Re: the onstage guitar quandary [Dave Blackburn ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 11:50:51 +0000 (UTC) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: That Joni Mitchell group on Facebook Which one of the facebook groups? There are a few of them. The jonimitchell.com one run by Les, or the "Joni Mitchell fans" one, run by who knows who? I've learned to be very careful of both of them, to be honest, since there are a lot of people on there who just seem to be adoring fans and I think we're past that, where we can criticize and even be pissed off at Joni and most people understand. I'm likewise grateful for this community, where we have had our spats and, mostly years ago, flame wars but where people are fine with saying whatever and usually no one gets angry about it (unless someone forgets the njc on the No Joni Content posts.) We seem to be able to understand others' points of view (most of the time). I'm not sure what bothers me more about FB groups: the people who constantly say things like, "I love you, Jonie" (I spelled that wrong on purpose) or the ones who join a group (this goes for any group) for the sole purpose of dissing whatever the page is about, or spamming it. The only thing I look at on the FB pages is photos and links to articles, and I don't read all of them either. From: Victor Johnson To: Joni Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2014 2:39 AM Subject: That Joni Mitchell group on Facebook I left that group today...I just couldn't take it anymore.B Every thread turning into heated diatribe back and forth over what we "should" or "shouldn't" discuss and God forbid we say anything that might be construed as criticism because that wouldn't be "nice" and on and on and on... It is so refreshing to know that the JMDL is here. Thankful for this community. Victor in Bend NP: the faint sound of a train in the distance, the hear kicking on, and a clock ticking somewhere ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 05:00:00 -0500 From: simon@icu.com Subject: Re: The river Bend (NJC) ingrid lochrenberg wrote: > I cannot remember the list being this active before. > When did this list start and is this it's heyday? Ingrid, Although NOT definitive, the oldest 'saved' JMDL message I have on file is from Vol.1 #8, dated Sept. 5, 1996. I've been here from the beginning. No, this is not necessarily the heyday of the JMDL. That was probably during the two short tours in 1998 and the 2000 Orchestra Tour. There was a time when we would receive two JMDL digests a day (automatically generated), as well as additional digests based on the number of messages. Hope this answers your question. AndSoItGoes, - - - - - - - - - simonM http://jonimitchell.com/chronology/complete.cfm http://jonimitchell.com/chronology/chronology_v4.0.pdf ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 12:05:36 +0200 From: ingrid lochrenberg Subject: NJC... The price of oil This decline in the oil price is hitting natural gas b= (which I think is shale and fracking). And if the price of it has no upward momentum then it would encourage the alternative electric vehicle enterprise, as there would be fewer vested interests in combustibles. And this, with vertical farming without agricultural contamination of rivers would contribute greatly to a world where the all of industry and business could be regulated in order to pay for shoplifting from the environment. ... capitalism, both ways,,..... Not even business exonerated. Then we could take our share's down by the sea again... with the tide rolling in. The vision has been established... If longevity is also extended everyone will face consequences. I think it's great that Joni is critical and even hate-filled as putting up a front when one is outraged is just pandering to social norms. Bob Dylan falling asleep is not just attributable to sexism but speaks of jealousy and I think someone like Joni has had to deal with that constantly. It is a normal human attribute to be jealous but somehow it isn't something that's mentionable. Famous people are often unhappy because they are so exposed to the worst of human nature. Yet they're expected to be polite and gracious and so they'll be left with no avenue to be themselves..... since they do often turn out to be lonely , isolated by fame. I'm glad that Joni is just being herself in public.... No matter what she comes across as. I'm sure she experiences the sacred in her life irrespective of what others perceive. If she is contemptuous she must just have a different yardstick . Sent from my Windows Phone ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 05:17:46 -0800 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: That Joni Mitchell group on Facebook Simon and Catherine, The one I am referring to is just called Joni Mitchell, run by who knows who. Just recently, you would have thought the world was coming to an end because there was a discussion about Joni's smoking and it turned into this vicious battle about whether it's even right to "question" the merits of smoking, and how dare you "criticize" Joni Mitchell and it's none of your business, and yada yada yada... Just like those sections for comments you see after news stories that quickly deteriorate into complete chaos and oh, the humanity... On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 3:50 AM, Catherine McKay wrote: > Which one of the facebook groups? There are a few of them. The > jonimitchell.com one run by Les, or the "Joni Mitchell fans" one, run by who > knows who? I've learned to be very careful of both of them, to be honest, > since there are a lot of people on there who just seem to be adoring fans > and I think we're past that, where we can criticize and even be pissed off > at Joni and most people understand. I'm likewise grateful for this > community, where we have had our spats and, mostly years ago, flame wars but > where people are fine with saying whatever and usually no one gets angry > about it (unless someone forgets the njc on the No Joni Content posts.) We > seem to be able to understand others' points of view (most of the time). I'm > not sure what bothers me more about FB groups: the people who constantly say > things like, "I love you, Jonie" (I spelled that wrong on purpose) or the > ones who join a group (this goes for any group) for the sole purpose of > dissing whatever the page is about, or spamming it. The only thing I look at > on the FB pages is photos and links to articles, and I don't read all of > them either. > > > ________________________________ > From: Victor Johnson > To: Joni > Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2014 2:39 AM > Subject: That Joni Mitchell group on Facebook > > I left that group today...I just couldn't take it anymore. Every > thread turning into heated diatribe back and forth over what we > "should" or "shouldn't" discuss and God forbid we say anything that > might be construed as criticism because that wouldn't be "nice" and on > and on and on... > > It is so refreshing to know that the JMDL is here. > > Thankful for this community. > > Victor in Bend > > NP: the faint sound of a train in the distance, the hear kicking on, > and a clock ticking somewhere ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 11:24:42 +0200 From: ingrid lochrenberg Subject: The river Bend (NJC) You can even go and canoe on your river Bend here. Though you've got to give back to tell us about it. I cannot remember the list being this active before. When did this list start and is this it's heyday? Sent from my Windows Phone ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2014 07:11:49 -0800 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: the onstage guitar quandary Hi Kimberly, I know exactly what you are facing, with your upcoming show and guitar issues, having been learning and performing Joni music for the last nine years with my band Mutts of the Planet. It has been a process of discovery on how best to tackle the logistics. I ended up with a quiver of guitars that live in their various tunings for months with their string gauges chosen specifically for the tuning. The neck and top tension have plenty of time to settle in and the tunings donbt drift. Can you list the songs you are playing? Maybe some tuning groupings can be found. cheers Dave > On Nov 26, 2014, at 10:25 AM, kimberly wrote: > > My sun currently rises and sets in the land of Joni. I am preparing for a > concert of all Joni Mitchell compositions, Dec. 7th @ Soho, Santa Barbara, > CA. and hope that all of you within range can attend. I've had wonderful > support for this effort so far and many from this site, so thank you to > those who have already responded. I wanted to share some of the > unanticipated challenges of this project from the standpoint of the > musician. This has both mystified me and also garnered increased respect for > Joni's work. > > Her tunings are so magical but a bit of a nightmare from a guitarists > perspective. I have managed to break two brand new guitars with computerized > tuning systems in an effort to program them to only 6 of 8 the tunings that > I am using in the show. I'll probably end up with two guitars on stage and a > competent guitar tech just off stage grabbing them from me and retuning them > to me between songs. I'm doing this as a trade with Jensen's guitar, our > local music store. I'm only playing on every third song. I wondering how > the heck Joni managed this...alone...in a coffee house... with no tech. > Maybe audiences were more tolerant of her tuning time back then. Maybe she > got famous so quickly into her career that she had a constant tech and > numerous guitars after those long awkward coffee house gigs. Maybe I'm just > being humbled, ha! > Thoughts? > Kimberly Ford ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2014 #1504 ****************************** ------- To post messages to the list,sendtojoni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------