From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2014 #1478 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe:mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website:http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Saturday, November 29 2014 Volume 2014 : Number 1478 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Joni Mitchell - I Don't Know Where I Stand - Concert Unknown (AKA Germany 1968) - YouTube [Sharon Watkins ] Joni in Vulture [Mary ] Re: Joni in Vulture [Anita Gabrielle ] Re: Joni in Vulture [Moni Kellermann ] Re: Joni disses Looking Glass song "Brandy" [Bob Muller ] Re: the onstage guitar quandary [Dave Blackburn ] Re: Joni lyrics on thankfulness [Bob Muller ] Re: PBS Tavis Smiley interview (download link) ["Susan E. McNamara" ] Re: Love has many faces ["Paul Meyer-strom" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 09:26:59 -0600 From: Sharon Watkins Subject: Joni Mitchell - I Don't Know Where I Stand - Concert Unknown (AKA Germany 1968) - YouTube Re: JMDL Digest V2014#1459 Jeff Clark, Regarding Joni's re-tunings, I've always loved this one. She starts playing the song, hears a subtle tuning error, then stops and retunes on the fly. She is amazing to me, as my untrained musical ear never even detected anything awry! First time I heard it, I kept thinking, how in the world does she know something is off? https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xatqCiiXGEw Sent from my iPhone ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 12:55:02 +0000 From: Mike B Subject: RE: crabbiness I agree, Jeff. In the last 10 or so years I've dreaded Joni interviews. The dissing of fellow musicians is completely out of order, and the moaning about the state of music nowadays is cliched and uninformed. Re Paul Simon, the assumption that he would have imitated her is preposterous. When Joni's 'great big ego' was channelled into her music it produced some magnificent art, but without that creativity it becomes sheer arrogance. I do love Joni's music, and as an artist I still find her somewhere between intriguing and fascinating, but aspects of her personality are very uncomfortable. That said, beyond the ugly dissing, her bristling rivalry with Dylan is interesting. It's a one-way rivalry, by the looks of it, and I think goes beyond Joni's fragile ego and must have a lot to do with the sexism that's surrounded her throughout her career, seen even in their unequal admiration: Joni, up to fairly recently, always expressed respect for Dylan and acknowledged her debt to him, and her cover of It's all over now Baby Blue was a fulsome tribute. Dylan never seems to have reciprocated (beyond an early cover of BYT!), which Joni may have increasingly felt as a rejection, in the 'icy altitudes' of the male-dominated music scene, and all too typical of the male diminishing of her achievements. Still, Dylan's unlikely to come out with anything too generous about her now... :) Happy thanksgiving to you all, Stateside. Michel > > Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 19:19:09 +0000 (UTC) > From: Jeff Clark > Subject: Joni Mitchell > > I wish Joni didn't sound quite so crabby in all these interviews. SheB reminds > me of Lucy in Charlie Brown. Bob Dylan's not that bad. And I really don't > think Paul Simon is all that influenced by her. Anyway, Happy Thanksgiving > everyone.JeffB NP: kd lang, After the Goldrush > > ------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 09:33:23 -0800 From: Mary Subject: Joni in Vulture Joni on TS being squelched from that movie. Ouch, some of the comments are quite harsh. Joni IS a genius, but we forget, some....not many.....some people don't care for her. I thought it was interesting just to read some other point of views. I like the long comment that likens Joni's life times in the epicenter of LA like being in Paris during the 20's - being in the right place at the right time & being a part of it all, and contributing to great musical history. The commenter said it better. http://www.vulture.com/2014/11/joni-mitchell-doesnt-want-tswift-to-play-her.h tml?mid=rss?mid=vulturelatest GREETINGS FROM THE TRIPLE M Down a gravel road, where the barb wire meets the sky. MARY M. MORRIS ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 17:52:32 +0000 From: Anita Gabrielle Subject: Re: Joni in Vulture Hi Mary The link doesn't seem to work - just says Vulture, but page not found. Be interested to read it if possible, thanks, Anita > On 28 Nov 2014, at 17:33, Mary wrote: > > Joni on TS being squelched from that movie. Ouch, some of the comments are > quite harsh. Joni IS a genius, but we forget, some....not many.....some people > don't care for her. I thought it was interesting just to read some other > point of views. I like the long comment that likens Joni's life times in the > epicenter of LA like being in Paris during the 20's - being in the right place > at the right time & being a part of it all, and contributing to great musical > history. The commenter said it better. > > http://www.vulture.com/2014/11/joni-mitchell-doesnt-want-tswift-to-play-her.h > tml?mid=rss?mid=vulturelatest > > GREETINGS FROM THE TRIPLE M Down a gravel road, where the barb wire > meets the sky. MARY M. MORRIS ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 19:57:59 +0100 From: Moni Kellermann Subject: Re: Joni in Vulture Am 28.11.2014 um 18:52 schrieb Anita Gabrielle: > Hi Mary > The link doesn't seem to work >> http://www.vulture.com/2014/11/joni-mitchell-doesnt-want-tswift-to-play-her.h >> tml?mid=rss?mid=vulturelatest You can tell that it's broken, no need to click :) It happens because people either insist on using HTML-formatted mail because it's so nice to have those smileys or because they are unaware of the format altogether. In any case, the mailing list here converts the HTML mail into plain-text format and that's where the link breaks. You need to join those two text parts above, so you'll get a .html document. You can also neglect the part after the .html because that's just tracking where the link was clicked from. Which all means that the link is http://www.vulture.com/2014/11/joni-mitchell-doesnt-want-tswift-to-play-her.html moni k. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 15:31:38 +0000 (UTC) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Joni disses Looking Glass song "Brandy" Well, I was never a Tony Orlando & Dawn fan but those other 2 are money in my book. Brandy is one of my go-to karaoke songs, good story and an awesome bridge. Pure, perfect pop. One of the first vinyls I picked up was Seals & Crofts Greatest Hits and I wore it out. I haven't seen the Tavis interview yet, I'm assuming this quote came from that? Bob NP: The Black Keys, "In Time" B From: Jeff Clark To: "joni@smoe.org" Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2014 8:21 PM Subject: Joni disses Looking Glass song "Brandi" And also Seals and Crofts "Summer Breeze" and says the vocal harmonizing on Tony Orlando and Dawns "Knock Three Times"B is insipid. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 10:37:10 -0800 From: Mary Subject: RE: Joni in Vulture Apologize for this. The link was mailed to me & it worked yesterday. Try going to Vulture site. On the top right hand side of topics is "Taylor Swift". Click on that & scroll down, you will see the Joni vs. TS short article and many comments. (which is the interesting part, to me ) GREETINGS FROM THE TRIPLE M Down a gravel road, where the barb wire meets the sky. MARY M. MORRIS Subject: Re: Joni in Vulture From: simon@icu.com Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 13:27:02 -0500 CC: joni2city@hotmail.com To: lawntreader@googlemail.com On Nov 28, 2014, at 12:52 PM, Anita Gabrielle wrote: Hi MaryThe link doesn't seem to work - just says Vulture, but page not found. Be interested to read it if possible, thanks, Anita On 28 Nov 2014, at 17:33, Mary wrote: Joni on TS being squelched from that movie. Ouch, some of the comments are quite harsh. Joni IS a genius,but we forget, some....not many.....some people don't care for her. I thought it was interesting just to readsome other point of views. I like the long comment that likens Joni's life times in the epicenter of LA like beingin Paris during the 20's - being in the right place at the right time & being a part of it all, and contributing to greatmusical history. The commenter said it better. http://www.vulture.com/2014/11/joni-mitchell-doesnt-want-tswift-to-play-her.h tml?mid=rss?mid=vulturelatest GREETINGS FROM THE TRIPLE M Down a gravel road, where the barb wiremeets the sky. MARY M. MORRIS Anita, This problem occurs with URLs that wrap, or extend over -2- lines. Try the following Link. If clicking on it doesnt work, cutnpast everything between the red brackets. Hope this helps. AndSoItGoes,- - - - - - - -simonM ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2014 10:20:06 -0800 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: the onstage guitar quandary My hot tip for playing many Joni songs on a guitar with correct string tension is to use a baritone, such as the Alvarez ABT60 - I got mine for $330 new, albeit minus pickup and case. Instead of tuning it B to B as baritones usually are tuned, you tune it a to open C Amelia tuning, CGCEGC, which can be easily altered to CGDEGC and of course capoed. With those two closely related tunings and a capo you can play, off the top of my head, Amelia, Cherokee Louise, Night Ride Home, Yvette in English, Peoples Parties, Passion Play, Both Sides Now, and many more. The baritone sounds fantastic and the strings are not flappy or pitchy. The trick is to set up the gauges so no string is tuned more than a whole step away from its intended tension. > On Nov 27, 2014, at 8:43 AM, Anita Gabrielle wrote: > > Guitarsenal I think you called it, Dave. > > And I also seem to recall the advice you gave about playing Black Crow with its Bb on the bottom was to use a washing line instead of a string! > > Kimberley, your post also made me think about those years and years in the 60s and early 70s that Joni gigged, all over the place, even up the road from me in Leicester, UK, pretty much on her own with her guitar or two. No electronic tuners, just her ears and a heap of entertaining stories whilst endlessly winding those tuning pegs. Certainly paid her dues! You say that maybe audiences were more tolerant back then - but she was just mesmerising with her in between chat. You just felt that you were in her house and she was telling you about stuff. Brilliant. > Anita > > > >> On 27 Nov 2014, at 15:11, Dave Blackburn wrote: >> >> Hi Kimberly, >> >> I know exactly what you are facing, with your upcoming show and guitar issues, having been learning and performing Joni music for the last nine years with my band Mutts of the Planet. It has been a process of discovery on how best to tackle the logistics. >> >> I ended up with a quiver of guitars that live in their various tunings for months with their string gauges chosen specifically for the tuning. The neck and top tension have plenty of time to settle in and the tunings donbt drift. >> >> Can you list the songs you are playing? Maybe some tuning groupings can be found. >> >> cheers >> Dave >> >> >> >> >>> On Nov 26, 2014, at 10:25 AM, kimberly wrote: >>> >>> My sun currently rises and sets in the land of Joni. I am preparing for a >>> concert of all Joni Mitchell compositions, Dec. 7th @ Soho, Santa Barbara, >>> CA. and hope that all of you within range can attend. I've had wonderful >>> support for this effort so far and many from this site, so thank you to >>> those who have already responded. I wanted to share some of the >>> unanticipated challenges of this project from the standpoint of the >>> musician. This has both mystified me and also garnered increased respect for >>> Joni's work. >>> >>> Her tunings are so magical but a bit of a nightmare from a guitarists >>> perspective. I have managed to break two brand new guitars with computerized >>> tuning systems in an effort to program them to only 6 of 8 the tunings that >>> I am using in the show. I'll probably end up with two guitars on stage and a >>> competent guitar tech just off stage grabbing them from me and retuning them >>> to me between songs. I'm doing this as a trade with Jensen's guitar, our >>> local music store. I'm only playing on every third song. I wondering how >>> the heck Joni managed this...alone...in a coffee house... with no tech. >>> Maybe audiences were more tolerant of her tuning time back then. Maybe she >>> got famous so quickly into her career that she had a constant tech and >>> numerous guitars after those long awkward coffee house gigs. Maybe I'm just >>> being humbled, ha! >>> Thoughts? >>> Kimberly Ford ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2014 15:55:51 +0000 (UTC) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Joni lyrics on thankfulness How about "Lucky Girl"? None of Joni's songs contain the direct language but this one starts out with that tone: "I'm a lucky girl, I found my friend" Bob NP: Rickie Lee Jones/Billy Childs, "Been On A Train"B B From: Happy The Man To: joni list Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2014 2:58 PM Subject: Joni lyrics on thankfulness Truthfully a Bob Dylan lyric brought me to post for the first time in a while.B But my thought was what Joni lyrics show thankfulness? NP: Bob Dylan - Talkin' New York - - A lot of people donbt have much food on their table.B But they got a lot of forks bnb knives,.B And they gotta cut somethinb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 22:44:13 +0000 From: "Susan E. McNamara" Subject: Re: PBS Tavis Smiley interview (download link) Thanks Moni, this interview was fabulous. I9ve only listened to it once, but for the people who have seen it, what9s the story behind her frustration with her Rhino contract? She talks about burglars and she9s happy she has her demos in a safe I found this whole conversation fascinating!! Plus Tavis Smiley is excellent and she obviously likes him a lot. I need to watch it again. :-) so much Joni news - I9m in heaven!! Oh one other thing. I finished listening to Act I of Love has many faces, and I was disappointed that she used the edited version of Come In From the Cold, mostly because the last verse is my favorite NO MIND! As far as my ears are concerned these songs sound much better in my car than the original Cds. Sue On 11/26/14, 12:18 PM, "Moni Kellermann" wrote: >http://ga.video.cdn.pbs.org/videos/tavis-smiley/f96f6e17-5e36-40f9-970c-cc >cecfb5e018/161139/hd-mezzanine-16x9/50ab80be_p434045_001-16x9-mp4-800k.mp4 > >This is the full interview in bigger size, just RIGHT-click the link and >save. > >Enjoy! > >moni k. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2014 03:10:34 -0700 From: Lori Renee Fye Subject: Re: Love has many faces Oddmund, you wrote a beautiful post, and you may have just persuaded me to buy "Love Has Many Faces" after all. Thank you. Happy Thanksgiving to everyone, including those who don't observe it at this time of year. Lori on her way to California in the morning (but only for a week) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 12:02:32 -0800 From: "Paul Meyer-strom" Subject: Re: Love has many faces Very moving message. Thanks. I am delighted with Love Has Many Faces also. I hear a significant improvement in the remasters, the technicalities are way over my head, but the music sounds richer, clearer. I listened to A Case of You and it's as if you can hear each guitar string. I resisted getting the new boxed set but gave in, and am glad I did. Paul - -------------------------------------------------- From: "Oddmund Kaarevik" Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2014 1:57 AM To: ; "Anita G" Subject: Love has many faces > Last night > - listening to - I think > CD number 2 of "Love has many faces" > I found myself crying at the track > "Tax free." > It came as a huge surprise. > It never touched me in such a way before. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2014 #1478 ****************************** ------- To post messages to the list,sendtojoni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------