From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2014 #1456 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe:mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website:http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, November 26 2014 Volume 2014 : Number 1456 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: Lyric to Shine ["Susan E. McNamara" ] Re: Georgia O'Keefe Book with Joni Chapter [Jeff Clark Subject: RE: Lyric to Shine Great comparison, Bob. Robin Williams was a very sad case. Susan Tierney McNamara email: sem8@cornell.edu From: Bob.Muller@fluor.com [mailto:Bob.Muller@fluor.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 1:23 PM To: Susan E. McNamara Cc: joni Subject: RE: Lyric to Shine Plus lets support a more civil and healthy way of dealing with our family members and neighbors who suffer from the genetic forms of mental illness. They really need our help and not a perpetuation of stigma.> Well stated Sue, and of course Robin Williams' death this year brought this issue to the surface. Just last week a friend said to me "can you believe Robin Williams committed suicide?" to which I replied "Yes because he was suffering from depression". Sort of like Myrtle's response..."you've seen too many movies Joni...SNAP OUT OF IT." Just because he was a comedian and was successful and wealthy wouldn't make him immune from the effects of a disease. Bob NP: Elbow, "My Sad Captains" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. 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Info here.B The book jacket seen is the original from the book I read.B I believe newer printings have a different book cover.B You can probably find this at the library. http://jonimitchell.com/library/viewmedia.cfm?id=69 Laura Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 17:25:49 +0000 (UTC) From: Jeff Clark Subject: Georgia O'Keefe <> I wish I could remember for certain the title of the book I read about 10 years ago about Georgia O'Keefe that had a whole chapter on Joni's visit. It might be "Portrait of an Artist" by Laurie Lisle. Georgia didn't approve of Joni's smoking, they got up early and did yoga, ate simple, wholesome food,etc. The movie about Georgia with Joan Allen is good too and part of it is filmed in Georgia's actual house in New Mexico.Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 23:22:27 -0500 From: jlhommedieu@insight.rr.com Subject: Re: "she's not there" by the Zombies, njc The original was a low rez wonder, like The Troggs. This version is too smooth, sounding a bit more like The Guess Who. Seinfeld voice: >not that there's anything WRONG with that. I'm just sayin'.> > On Nov 25, 2014, at 10:28 PM, kbhla@fastmail.fm wrote: > > Oh Lordy Jim, that one takes me back - one of my very fave songs in 6th > grade! ;-) I just played an old clip on You Tube and don't notice the > gulp but if it is there in the original, it surely added to the mood, > and shouldn't have been edited out! LOVE the Zombies! > > Here is the clip https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrKEZcM878s > > Kakki > >> jlhommedieu@insight.rr.com wrote: In the song called "She's Not There" by the Zombies, >> he sings >>> well let me tell you 'bout the way she looked> >> >> And then there is an audible GULP of breath, right? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 12:50:07 -0500 From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: Re: NO Indictment In =?UTF-8?Q?Ferguson=3F=20=20NO=20Justice!?= The events in Ferguson make me sad, very sad. But the nationwide reaction makes me sadder. Why? Because it's laced with hatred on all sides. Hatred of black. Hatred of white. Hatred of kids. And cops. Of poor. And privileged. And that's the point about Ferguson. It's not about one young man and one cop. It's a mirror for us all. And, frankly, we're looking kind of ugly right now. Joni said that happiness is the best facelift. She's right. Except it's really kindness and compassion, not simply happiness. lots of love, Anne On 2014-11-25 11:38, Clint Norwood wrote: > Why does everyone think they know the truth when they don't? Why do people > react with such certainty about things apart from them, but are blind to the > things right in front of them? Why do people react first with emotion and only > use reason later or not at all? People will continue to make wild generalities > about groups of people to ironically prove their own racism. But actual people > who live, work and interact together will continue to do so and try to do > their best to live with honor, truth and integrity the best they can, despite > the media trying to continually divide us with the old tricks. All lives > matter. Have a good day and try to carry on the best you can. > > On Tuesday, November 25, 2014 8:04 AM, "simon@icu.com" > wrote: > > The fix was in from the beginning. > > NO Indictment In Ferguson?B NO Justice! > > Where there is NO Justice, there will be NO Peace. > > B B What Happens To A Dream Deferred? > > B B Does it dry up > B B like a raisin in the sun? > B B Or fester like a sore -- > B B And then run? > B B Does it stink like a rotten meat? > B B Or crust and sugar over -- > B B like a syrupy sweet? > B B > B B Maybe it just sags > B B like a heavy load. > > B B Or Does It Explode? > B B > B B > B B Langston Hughes > B B (p) 1951 > B B - - - - - > > Once again the American Justice? system has shown us that > the lives of some Black men in AmerikaB ain'tB worthB shit! > > And it has exploded > > Do YOU care? > > AndSoItGoes, > - - - - - - - - > simonM ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 02:35:13 -0500 From: simon@icu.com Subject: This has what to do with the Joni Mitchell discussion list? Gerald Kent wrote: > This has what to do with the Joni Mitchell discussion list???? > > Sent from my iPad Gerald, In years past, new members received a 'Welcome' message when joining the JMDL. The message began with the following: [Last updated on: Mon May 17, 19:01:29 1999] Welcome to the Joni Mitchell Discussion List - commonly called the JMDL. You are now an official "Jimdle" - a member of the unmoderated discussion of anything and everything related to the life, art, music, AND TIMES of Joni Mitchell. You are one of approximately 600 individuals subscribed to the list. The Ferguson message, various replies, and other occasional non-Joni topics are part of the AND TIMES b& as mentioned. Most of us simply read, don't read, skip over or delete any messages that are not of personal interest. For some of US police attitudes and behavior are, or can be, a matter of life and death. I stand by my original post. So what's your problem? AndSoItGoes, - - - - - - - - - simonM http://jonimitchell.com/chronology/complete.cfm http://jonimitchell.com/chronology/chronology_v4.0.pdf http://jonimitchell.com/music/InspiredByJoni_theAlbums.pdf http://jonimitchell.com/music/songsaboutjoni.cfm http://jonimitchell.com/music/inspiredbyjoni_songs.cfm http://jonimitchell.com/music/miscrecordings.cfm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 21:50:02 -0500 From: jlhommedieu@insight.rr.com Subject: "she's not there" by the Zombies, njc Check me on this. In the song called "She's Not There" by the Zombies, he sings > well let me tell you 'bout the way she looked> And then there is an audible GULP of breath, right? I just bought it on MP3 and it is either an alternate take or someone removed the gulp. Does anyone else remember the way I do? Kakki? Jim ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 01:58:25 -0500 From: Gerald Kent Subject: Re: NO Indictment In Ferguson? NO Justice! I reiterate, what does any of this have to do with the Joni Mitchell discussion list???? Sent from my iPad > On Nov 25, 2014, at 12:50 PM, anne@sandstrom.com wrote: > > The events in Ferguson make me sad, very sad. But the nationwide > reaction makes me sadder. Why? Because it's laced with hatred on all > sides. Hatred of black. Hatred of white. Hatred of kids. And cops. Of > poor. And privileged. And that's the point about Ferguson. It's not > about one young man and one cop. It's a mirror for us all. And, frankly, > we're looking kind of ugly right now. > > Joni said that happiness is the best facelift. She's right. Except it's > really kindness and compassion, not simply happiness. > > lots of love, > > Anne > >> On 2014-11-25 11:38, Clint Norwood wrote: >> >> Why does everyone think they know the truth when they don't? Why do people >> react with such certainty about things apart from them, but are blind to the >> things right in front of them? Why do people react first with emotion and only >> use reason later or not at all? People will continue to make wild generalities >> about groups of people to ironically prove their own racism. But actual people >> who live, work and interact together will continue to do so and try to do >> their best to live with honor, truth and integrity the best they can, despite >> the media trying to continually divide us with the old tricks. All lives >> matter. Have a good day and try to carry on the best you can. >> >> On Tuesday, November 25, 2014 8:04 AM, "simon@icu.com" >> wrote: >> >> The fix was in from the beginning. >> >> NO Indictment In Ferguson?B NO Justice! >> >> Where there is NO Justice, there will be NO Peace. >> >> B B What Happens To A Dream Deferred? >> >> B B Does it dry up >> B B like a raisin in the sun? >> B B Or fester like a sore -- >> B B And then run? >> B B Does it stink like a rotten meat? >> B B Or crust and sugar over -- >> B B like a syrupy sweet? >> B B >> B B Maybe it just sags >> B B like a heavy load. >> >> B B Or Does It Explode? >> B B >> B B >> B B Langston Hughes >> B B (p) 1951 >> B B - - - - - >> >> Once again the American Justice? system has shown us that >> the lives of some Black men in AmerikaB ain'tB worthB shit! >> >> And it has exploded >> >> Do YOU care? >> >> AndSoItGoes, >> - - - - - - - - >> simonM ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 23:49:26 -0500 From: jlhommedieu@insight.rr.com Subject: Re: "she's not there" by the Zombies, njc Thanks for the YouTube link. Whoever made the YouTube video put the mono version on top of the vintage video. The mono version is closer to what I remember- raw and plenty of tape hiss. (We may have to explain tape hiss to the young folks.) So, naturally I bought the mono version too. At 99 cents apiece, I can have both, eh? Jim Np: Sing, Sing, Sing (With A Swing), made popular by Benny Goodman's cover featuring Buddy Rich. Wikipedia says >"She's Not There" is the debut single by the British rock band The Zombies. It reached No.12 in the UK Singles Chart in September 1964,[1] and reached No.1 on the Cashbox chart (No.2 on the Billboard Hot 100) in the United States at the beginning of December 1964. In Canada, it reached number two. Rolling Stone magazine ranked "She's Not There" number 297 on its list of the 500 Greatest Songs of All Time.[2]> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 19:28:28 -0800 From: kbhla@fastmail.fm Subject: Re: "she's not there" by the Zombies, njc Oh Lordy Jim, that one takes me back - one of my very fave songs in 6th grade! ;-) I just played an old clip on You Tube and don't notice the gulp but if it is there in the original, it surely added to the mood, and shouldn't have been edited out! LOVE the Zombies! Here is the clip https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrKEZcM878s Thanks for taking me back and again, Happy Birthday, you audiophile, you! ;-) Kakki On Tue, Nov 25, 2014, at 06:50 PM, jlhommedieu@insight.rr.com wrote: > Check me on this. In the song called "She's Not There" by the Zombies, > he sings > > well let me tell you 'bout the way she looked> > > And then there is an audible GULP of breath, right? I just bought it on > MP3 and it is either an alternate take or someone removed the gulp. > > Does anyone else remember the way I do? Kakki? > > Jim > > - -- kbhla@fastmail.fm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 13:23:00 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: RE: Lyric to Shine Plus lets support a more civil and healthy way of dealing with our family members and neighbors who suffer from the genetic forms of mental illness. They really need our help and not a perpetuation of stigma.> Well stated Sue, and of course Robin Williams' death this year brought this issue to the surface. Just last week a friend said to me "can you believe Robin Williams committed suicide?" to which I replied "Yes because he was suffering from depression". Sort of like Myrtle's response..."you've seen too many movies Joni...SNAP OUT OF IT." Just because he was a comedian and was successful and wealthy wouldn't make him immune from the effects of a disease. Bob NP: Elbow, "My Sad Captains" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any and all computers and other devices. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 18:53:22 -0500 From: jlhommedieu@insight.rr.com Subject: Kids today, wadda the know? Njc Twenty-something drummer at work: "Hey, they are playing Steely Dan! It's "Stuck In The Middle With You." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 22:53:58 -0800 From: kbhla@fastmail.fm Subject: Re: "she's not there" by the Zombies, njc That's cool that they offer the mono version, too. There are lots of arguments in favor of the old mono sound. Guess that is because it was the way we first heard certain songs and how we remember them. Sounds more authentic to the ears of our memory. One thing I loved about the Buffalo Springfield box set is that it included both stereo and mono versions of many of the songs. Kakki On Tue, Nov 25, 2014, at 08:49 PM, jlhommedieu@insight.rr.com wrote: > > Thanks for the YouTube link. Whoever made the YouTube video put the > mono version on top of the vintage video. The mono version is closer > to what I remember- raw and plenty of tape hiss. (We may have to > explain tape hiss to the young folks.) > > So, naturally I bought the mono version too. At 99 cents apiece, I can > have both, eh? > > Jim Np: Sing, Sing, Sing (With A Swing), made popular by Benny > Goodman's cover featuring Buddy Rich. > > Wikipedia says > >"*She's Not There*" is the debut single by the British[1] rock[2] > >band[3] The Zombies[4]. It reached No.12 in the UK Singles [5]Chart > >in September 1964,[1][6] and reached No.1 on the *Cashbox*[7] chart > >(No.2 on the *Billboard* Hot 100[8]) in the United States at the > >beginning of December 1964. In Canada, it reached number two. > *Rolling Stone[9]* magazine ranked "She's Not There" number 297 on its > list of the 500 Greatest Songs of All Time[10].[2][11]> - -- kbhla@fastmail.fm Links: 1. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom 2. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_music 3. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Band_(music) 4. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Zombies 5. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/UK_Singles_Chart 6. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/She%27s_Not_There#cite_note-1 7. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cashbox_(magazine) 8. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billboard_Hot_100 9. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolling_Stone 10. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/500_Greatest_Songs_of_All_Time 11. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/She%27s_Not_There#cite_note-2 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 12:21:37 -0600 From: "Laura O." Subject: Advance Video of Joni on Tavis Smiley Tonight Checkout the teazer video of Joni with Tavis tonight! http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=2872 Laura ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 20:13:26 -0500 From: Gerald Kent Subject: Re: NO Indictment In Ferguson? NO Justice! This has what to do with the Joni Mitchell discussion list???? Sent from my iPad > On Nov 25, 2014, at 1:59 AM, simon@icu.com wrote: > > The fix was in from the beginning. > > NO Indictment In Ferguson? NO Justice! > > Where there is NO Justice, there will be NO Peace. > > > What Happens To A Dream Deferred? > > Does it dry up > like a raisin in the sun? > Or fester like a sore -- > And then run? > Does it stink like a rotten meat? > Or crust and sugar over -- > like a syrupy sweet? > > Maybe it just sags > like a heavy load. > > Or Does It Explode? > > > Langston Hughes > (p) 1951 > - - - - - > > > Once again the American Justice? system has shown us that > the lives of some Black men in Amerika ain't worth shit! > > And it has exploded > > Do YOU care? > > > > > AndSoItGoes, > - - - - - - - - > simonM ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2014 12:44:19 -0700 (MST) From: TheStaff@JoniMitchell.com Subject: New Library item: Portrait of genius Title: Portrait of genius Publication: London Sunday Times Date: 2014.10.23 http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=2871 ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2014 #1456 ****************************** ------- To post messages to the list,sendtojoni@smoe.org. 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