From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2014 #1306 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe:mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website:http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, October 15 2014 Volume 2014 : Number 1306 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni box set ["Randy Remote" ] Big Mac's secret, way njc and silly too. ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: Joni box set [Jeff Clark ] Re: New boxed set... but not THAT boxed set [jlhommedieu@insight.rr.com] Re: New boxed set... but not THAT boxed set ["Mark" ] Re: Joni's Artwork & New Boxed Set ["Laura O." ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 21:00:04 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: Joni box set From: "Jeff Clark" > The album that really needs work is the first one. All the Reprise/Asylum/Warner were remastered in HDCD format by Joe Gastwirt. They are playable on regular CD players, but reveal their full 20-bit potential on a HDCD player. I only have a few. I compared FTR and the difference was subtle, a more open top end. STAS, however, was a major upgrade, for once, the mud was gone, delicate beauty! C&S, too, was much improved from the original lousy sounding disc. (note to self-upgrade your DJRD). The HDCD discs have the HDCD logo on the back cover and on the disc itself. Then there are the MFSL and DCC versions of some titles. The only two songs remixed to date are BYT and PPlains. RR ps can I just buy the box without the discs? pps Bob Dylan has released boatloads of rarities, same with The Dead, and The Stones are fixing to release more live archives, grumble, grumble...I thought Joel Bernstein was gonna get a box set together, grumble... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 22:58:11 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Big Mac's secret, way njc and silly too. Second favorite part in the movie "Fast Times at Ridgemont High" was when the 'special sauce' was described with a shrug, >mayonnaise and ketchup> My favorite part involved the ladder of the swimming pool. Jim Muller said in part, >The real trick would be making the special sauce., yes? I think the last time I had a Big Mac was back in the 70's. I remember my grandmother used to say she wasn't hungry enough for a Big Mac so would I get her a Little Mac instead. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 13:21:50 -0700 From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni's Artwork & New Boxed Set Maybe in two parts. ________________________________ From: Anita Gabrielle To: Laura O. Cc: Catherine McKay ; "joni@smoe.org" ; "kellerfrau@gmx.de" ; Jamie Zubairi Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 2:08 PM Subject: Re: Joni's Artwork & New Boxed Set As usual, I seem to step in as the JMDL nerd and wonder if this release indicates that the cancellation of the ballet last May was indeed because Joni and Jean Grand Maitre are heading for a new mega production that might interpret her take on Love more fully. That was the reason it was cancelled, so we were told. A four hour production would require a much bigger Alberta Ballet company, but who knows? I'd so love that. Anita ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 17:45:52 +0000 From: c Karma Subject: RE: Love Has Many Faces: track listing NJC Ah but in what order?How many pieces of cheese? If you answered two you would be incorrect.Is there mustard involved? Surprise, yes there is! I'd take a sack of White Castle sliders over one Big Mac any day. They are earnest. CC To: ckarma@hotmail.com CC: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Love Has Many Faces: track listing NJC From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 13:23:13 -0400 I recently found a recipe on line how to make and build your own Big Mac.> I'm sure we can all recite the recipe..."two all-beef patties special sauce lettuce cheese pickles onions on a sesame seed bun". 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Fortunately there are "bootlegs" and youtube performances of her early songs for fans to enjoy. Joni was an incomparable live performer we know. She never seemed interested in having any "official" release of any early live performances like Neil and others have done. She is the ultimate perfectionist, but maybe someone can think of a way to release some stuff appropriately. Maybe some day there will be a "true" box set that is very special. In the mean time, anyone can watch her on the Dick Cavett show doing Chelsea Morning and Willy. Thank Goodness for that. On Tuesday, October 14, 2014 2:13 PM, Dave Blackburn wrote: Jeff, yes indeed STAS is an album with huge sonic problems but many of those are etched into the recording at the source. There is some nasty distortion on the vocals (on Sisotowbell Lane as I recall) and at least some of the bizarre reverb that drenches the album was David Crosbybs idea of having her sing into a grand piano, making the strings vibrate sympathetically. Itbs the kind of idea a stoner would have! But instead of it being an optional effect that could be added to taste in the mix I believe her vocal was printed with it. Also, who knows if the original mutitracks to those early albums even exist anymore? It was not uncommon for master tapes to vanish into someonebs storage attic or be wiped altogether to be reused, saving money for the label. If it does still exist it may not be playable if has not been kept in a climate controlled vault. Old tape formulations often degraded over time and the magnetic layer would turn to dust upon playback. So, revisiting old recordings and trying to bring them up to date sonically is not as easy as it might seem. On Oct 14, 2014, at 10:40 AM, Jeff Clark wrote: > The album that really needs work is the first one. Joni says in that interview in her house that she wants that album redone, but there is no money for it. I wonder if money was not an issue, could something be done to make that album sound better? Fortunately there are some live versions of those songs out there. The live version of Sisotowbell Lane is so much better to me that the studio version. I would really love to see some attention paid to that first album. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 21:37:59 -0400 From: jlhommedieu@insight.rr.com Subject: Re: New boxed set... but not THAT boxed set simon would know better than I would know, but my two cents follow: I wasn't an early adopter of CDs but I think the first remastering was mainly for adding the hdcd encoding on the Reprise titles; I heard little difference on my stereo. I think that everything on SoaPG was remastered. My copy is at work but I think most everything was much improved. And I think it was the first time that Joni's studio take of Urge For Going was on CD. Except for SoaPG, and as far as I know, the Reprise titles haven't been touched since. (The reissues on LP were modern, quiet pressings, much better than the quality which Reprise sold in the 70s.) "Joni Mitchell: The Complete Geffen Recordings" featured remastered discs. I heard a big improvement on "Dog Eat Dog" but very little difference on the others. These are just my opinions, off the top of my head. I welcome anyone to research it and prove me wrong. From a pure fidelity perspective, I think Mingus, Travelogue, and BSN would take the cake. But really, fidelity is not as important to me any more. Joni captured tons of great performances, fidelity be damned! In 1931, Irving Mills said, in part > it don't mean a thing > if it ain't got that swing To anyone interested in what this whole topic is about, compare the piano sound on C&S to the richness on Tori Amos' "Under The Pink". Or any Patricia Barber title. Or any Jazz recording on the Blue Note label. Jim L'Hommedieu in Columbus, Ohio Dave said, in part, > Les, I dont really know which or how many versions have been remastered. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 18:56:23 -0700 From: "Mark" Subject: Re: New boxed set... but not THAT boxed set 'Urge for Going' was on 'Hits' before it appeared on SOAPG. Just saying. Mark in Seattle - -----Original Message----- From: jlhommedieu@insight.rr.com Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 6:37 PM To: joni@smoe.org Cc: Remote Randy ; montgomery simon ; Blackburn Dave Subject: Re: New boxed set... but not THAT boxed set simon would know better than I would know, but my two cents follow: I wasn't an early adopter of CDs but I think the first remastering was mainly for adding the hdcd encoding on the Reprise titles; I heard little difference on my stereo. I think that everything on SoaPG was remastered. My copy is at work but I think most everything was much improved. And I think it was the first time that Joni's studio take of Urge For Going was on CD. Except for SoaPG, and as far as I know, the Reprise titles haven't been touched since. (The reissues on LP were modern, quiet pressings, much better than the quality which Reprise sold in the 70s.) "Joni Mitchell: The Complete Geffen Recordings" featured remastered discs. I heard a big improvement on "Dog Eat Dog" but very little difference on the others. These are just my opinions, off the top of my head. I welcome anyone to research it and prove me wrong. From a pure fidelity perspective, I think Mingus, Travelogue, and BSN would take the cake. But really, fidelity is not as important to me any more. Joni captured tons of great performances, fidelity be damned! In 1931, Irving Mills said, in part > it don't mean a thing > if it ain't got that swing To anyone interested in what this whole topic is about, compare the piano sound on C&S to the richness on Tori Amos' "Under The Pink". Or any Patricia Barber title. Or any Jazz recording on the Blue Note label. Jim L'Hommedieu in Columbus, Ohio Dave said, in part, > Les, I dont really know which or how many versions have been remastered. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 11:13:42 -0700 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: Joni box set Jeff, yes indeed STAS is an album with huge sonic problems but many of those are etched into the recording at the source. There is some nasty distortion on the vocals (on Sisotowbell Lane as I recall) and at least some of the bizarre reverb that drenches the album was David Crosbys idea of having her sing into a grand piano, making the strings vibrate sympathetically. Its the kind of idea a stoner would have! But instead of it being an optional effect that could be added to taste in the mix I believe her vocal was printed with it. Also, who knows if the original mutitracks to those early albums even exist anymore? It was not uncommon for master tapes to vanish into someones storage attic or be wiped altogether to be reused, saving money for the label. If it does still exist it may not be playable if has not been kept in a climate controlled vault. Old tape formulations often degraded over time and the magnetic layer would turn to dust upon playback. So, revisiting old recordings and trying to bring them up to date sonically is not as easy as it might seem. On Oct 14, 2014, at 10:40 AM, Jeff Clark wrote: > The album that really needs work is the first one. Joni says in that interview in her house that she wants that album redone, but there is no money for it. I wonder if money was not an issue, could something be done to make that album sound better? Fortunately there are some live versions of those songs out there. The live version of Sisotowbell Lane is so much better to me that the studio version. I would really love to see some attention paid to that first album. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 12:55:05 -0500 From: "Laura O." Subject: Re: Joni's Artwork & New Boxed Set Found some more information here: "The package is a book containing 53 lyrical poems, six new paintings, and an autobiographical text illuminating her recording process. It is funny, mystical, and informative............... Long time listeners should find the music familiar but fresh. There has been a lot of sonic adjustment. Newcomers to this music have an adventure before them b a journey into highly-original, harmonically innovative, unusually rhythmic music. Some of the greatest musicians in the world are gathered here b supporting this emotionally charged exploration of love's many faces." http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=2841 Laura On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 12:20 PM, Catherine McKay wrote: > I do love the artwork, but I also not be buying this set. All of which > makes me wonder who these things are made for: people who are Joni > completists and have to have everything for whatever reason, or people who > might have always thought about buying some Joni Mitchell music but never > got around to it, or something completely different. So... what about that > *other* boxed set, then, the one that was to have some of the live stuff > (hitherto available as bootlegs) and some of the Holy-Grail-type things > like the alternate Mingus or Mingus demos, or whatever that was supposed to > have been. I'm impressed that Joni can get these things released when the > music biz seems intent on not producing anything that they don't feel will > rake in the money and wonder why she doesn't think about crowd-funding for > projects the way people like Rickie Lee Jones are doing. Maybe Joni isn't > interested in the hassle involved and maybe she has no idea that people > would love to hear this stuff, and then again, just because some of us here > clamour for it (not loudly enough, I guess) doesn't necessarily mean it > would be a huge success, but I'm sure it would do very well and that she > would more than make her money back on it. I really do hope someone on this > list has Joni's ear, and that they can convey this to her, and that she > listens. And, at the risk of sounding like a heretic, I'm less inclined > these days to buy physical CDs because they take up too much room. > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Laura O. > *To:* "joni@smoe.org" ; kellerfrau@gmx.de > *Sent:* Tuesday, October 14, 2014 1:05 PM > *Subject:* Joni's Artwork & New Boxed Set > > At least it looks like we'll get to see some new artwork from Joni..... > as seen on the cover and the CDs. ~Maybe~ we'll see even more inside! > > Thanks for that link, Moni. > > Laura > > > Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 17:06:30 +0200 > From: Moni Kellermann > Subject: Re: New boxed set... but not THAT boxed set > > > I like the front cover painting which you can see a bit more close-up > here: http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/81NFVGpttEL._SL1500_.jpg. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2014 #1306 ****************************** ------- To post messages to the list,sendtojoni@smoe.org. 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