From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2014 #125 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe:mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website:http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, January 30 2014 Volume 2014 : Number 125 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- New Library item: Joni Mitchell, Elliott Smith, and The City of Light [Th] Re: Syracuse [Catherine McKay ] Syraccuse [Laura Stanley ] Re: New Library item: Syracuse Professor Studies Joni Mitchell ["Mark" ] Re: Syracuse [Moni Kellermann ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 22:05:47 -0700 (MST) From: TheStaff@JoniMitchell.com Subject: New Library item: Joni Mitchell, Elliott Smith, and The City of Light Title: Joni Mitchell, Elliott Smith, and The City of Light Publication: ConsequenceOfSound.net Date: 2014.1.28 http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=2739 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 14:36:28 -0800 (PST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Syracuse A right-wing watchdog over academia! God help us! I did find the article to be strangely written and you've made it make some more sense (in its own weird way.) >________________________________ > From: Richard Flynn >To: Catherine McKay >Cc: Michael Paz ; "joni@smoe.org JMDL" >Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 2:53:33 PM >Subject: Re: Syracuse > > >I think I might have just replied to Paz, but I wanted to point out on the list that this is an account of Yaffe's MLA talk by a group that styles itself as a right-wing watchdog over academia. Because of a conflict, I was unable to attend the talk when I was at MLA, but I would not trust this to be an accurate summary of his talk. I am looking forward to Yaffe's book on Joni. I met him only once, but I think he'll write an interesting book. I wouldn't dismiss it on the basis of this piece. > >Richard Flynn >Professor of Literature >Georgia Southern University >https://sites.google.com/a/georgiasouthern.edu/rflynn >http://georgiasouthern.academia.edu/RichardFlynn > > > >>> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 15:15:55 -0600 From: Laura Stanley Subject: Syraccuse Anita asked: I wondered what other JMDLers feel about Joni's "distance." Does she feel near or far to you? Hi Anita, Joni feels both to me. She's near because she's given me so much food for thought, and I've been affected by her for most of my life. Meeting her at Ruby Lake brought me down to earth - she's down to earth and was totally in the moment there. She's far because I saw how different she is from me, she's older than I am. I tend to think of her egocentrically as if she is my age and knows me, but she's not my age and doesn't know me. I love the Sunshine Coast. It is no wonder she chooses to live there. It is one of the most beautiful places I've been. It is far from where I live but easy to recall. My memory of the beauty of meeting her and experiencing that place gives me the feeling she is not so far. She's one of the nicest people on the planet. She's real not phony. I admire her for that. Love , Laura Sent from my iPhone ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 21:52:38 -0800 From: "Mark" Subject: Re: New Library item: Syracuse Professor Studies Joni Mitchell The piece is more of a mish-mash trying to give a sense of a larger presentation as Richard pointed out. Whoever wrote it was picking out the bits that would draw the most attention, I think. I don't think it was successful in encapsulating the whole. As far as Joni being distant, I can't honestly say since I have never met her. One thing that has occurred to me is how unfair it must be to a celebrity when total strangers are able to recognize you. My most recent fantasies about meeting Joni Mitchell have me thinking that I should first introduce myself and tell her that I realize she doesn't know me from Adam. Then tell her she cannot possibly know how much she and her work have meant to me and enriched my life over the years. Then thank her and hope, but not automatically assume, that there will be a response. After all, I have already received the gift of her music. She certainly doesn't owe me anything. I also think Joni has finally emerged from a long period of illness which made many people think she had become some kind of eccentric recluse who did nothing but rant and make outrageous remarks in the rare moments when she did step into the public spotlight. But as Anita and so many others have already said, Joni is warm and receptive and responsive to people who show a genuine appreciation of her music. She knows that she has touched the lives of you lucky people who have met her. I think after Luminato she may finally be beginning to realize the impact she has made on the people who really 'get' her and that she does have a legacy that is ongoing. It seems to me that Joni is at her best in an interview situation with an interviewer that really knows her work and has the intelligence to ask good, pertinent questions. Jian Ghomeshi got a fabulous interview out of her and I learned some things from it that I hadn't known before. Sure, some of it was stories that she had told many times before. But I felt a genuine joy just to see her and hear her talking with all that energy and spark. And I was riveted by her description of how 'Paprika Plains' came together. At least I think that was the Ghomeshi interview. Now I'm showing my age. Senior moment! As far as Kilauren is concerned, I don't know if she is 'a blonde f**k-up'. We don't hear much about her these days. I do remember that Sheila Weller said in 'Girls Like Us' that Kilauren was a misfit in her adopted family. From what I can recall, Weller said the parents are introverts and that Kilauren's personality is almost a polar opposite of the personalities of the family she was raised in. So is he asking if the surrogate mother deserves more of the credit for how Kilauren turned out, ie a blonde f**k-up? Whether that is what he meant or not, it's still a nasty remark to make. The more I see in the media about famous people and the crap that many of them undeservingly have to put up with, the more I am glad that I am not famous. When I was very young it seemed like a very desirable thing to be. Not anymore. You can have fame. I will remain the obscure enigma that I am, thank you very much. Mark in Seattle - -----Original Message----- From: Anita Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 9:04 AM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: New Library item: Syracuse Professor Studies Joni Mitchell 'But, Yaffe admitted that Joni often "repeats herself, cannibalizes herself" by repeating verbatim "over and over and over again." "The first time she said it was better" and her repetitiveness could be "because she's more and more distant" as time moves on.' Does anyone feel clear if this is what Yaffe or Joni is saying about Joni/ herself? My understanding is that Yaffe is saying Joni is more and more distant. She may not be writing new albums, but my feeling is that Joni is more and more close. I know many of us who have been fans for a long time have shared the sense of isolation we felt years ago. It was hard to find other Joni fans. With the wonders of the Internet, It is much easier to find others who love the music. Looking at the wonderful material Catherine and others shared from the Luminato tribute last year, I thought Joni seemed closer than ever and certainly in my own writing about meeting Joni at Ruby Lake I described Joni as "presence." I wondered what other JMDLers feel about Joni's "distance." Does she feel near or far to you? Anita On 29 Jan 2014, at 15:43, TheStaff@JoniMitchell.com wrote: > Title: Syracuse Professor Studies Joni Mitchell > Publication: Accuracy in Academia > Date: 2014.1.27 > > http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=2738 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 20:28:27 +0000 From: joe farrell Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #117 I had not heard this for a while. It is magnificent and in the present circumstances very moving. Thank you for posting it Laura. Joe. On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 11:47 PM, JMDL Digest wrote: > > JMDL Digest Tuesday, January 28 2014 Volume 2014 : Number 117 > > > > ========== > > TOPICS and authors in this Digest: > -------- > Pete Seeger and Joni -Video Audio 1970 [Laura O < > aptakisic101@gmail.com>] > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 17:46:51 -0600 > From: Laura O > Subject: Pete Seeger and Joni -Video Audio 1970 > > Both Sides Now > http://jonimitchell.com/library/video.cfm?id=356&from=search > > ------------------------------ > > End of JMDL Digest V2014 #117 > ***************************** > > ------- > To post messages to the list,sendtojoni@smoe.org. > Unsubscribe by clicking here: > mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe > ------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2014 08:57:39 +0100 From: Moni Kellermann Subject: Re: Syracuse Am 29.01.2014 20:53, Wie Richard Flynn so vortrefflich formulierte: > I would not trust this to be an accurate summary of his talk. I am > looking forward to Yaffe's book on Joni. I totally agree! BTW, Yaffe wrote a nice article in 2007 on Joni in the NYT: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/04/arts/dance/04yaff.html?pagewanted=all I am really interested in his book. I wonder whether it has been re-scheduled already, as there is a listing on Amazon Canada that is from 2010: http://www.amazon.ca/dp/1554681030/ which has HarperCollins Canada as the publisher but this page http://as-cascade.syr.edu/profiles/pages/yaffe-david.html mentions Farrar, Straus and Giroux as the publisher. moni k. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2014 #125 ***************************** ------- To post messages to the list,sendtojoni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------