From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2014 #1174 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe:mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website:http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Saturday, September 13 2014 Volume 2014 : Number 1174 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Eeek, there's a "troll" in my house! NJC [Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Eeek, there's a "troll" in my house! NJC Amen to this. I thought it was hilarious about the adapter. Poor man! You may be right about Laurie having broken his heart. Maybe they went to high school together! And yeah, I hate those Youtube videos where people make all kinds of rude remarks. Even if I do find some things on Youtube hilarious when it seems the person who posted them may not have meant them that way, I wouldn't put them down either because I know I would never have the courage to post anything I had done for all the world, including the trolls, to see and pass judgement on. Catherine, that strikes me funny that someone had only reviewed (2) items - Laurie's CD and an electric adapter. I guess at some point Laurie must have broken his heart and he's getting even. I totally agree with what you say - "they just seem to be very unhappy people who like to blame others, directly or indirectly, for their own unhappiness." As for YouTube, I preview lots of videos looking for Joni covers. The quality runs the total gamut from gorgeous perfection to total wreck. The former typically get a "thumbs up" kind of comment from me but I don't see any benefit from making overly negative comments on the latter. Why hurt someone's feelings? I've been doing community theater for 35 years now and have had great reviews and not-so-good. I have had friends who totally dropped out of the scene because of a scathing review. Sometimes it doesn't take much to make you believe you're no good. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2014 16:59:49 -0700 From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Eeek, there's a "troll" in my house! NJC It's just so easy to bash other people's efforts. Too easy. And it's too easy for the real trolls to hide, because most of them don't even use their real names. I think the horrible ones should be outed. There's a difference between not liking something, saying so and explaining why in reasonable language and the horrible negativity that a relatively few people with way too much time on their hand seem to propagate all over the web. On the other hand, it is always awful to hear someone say something negative about your efforts, and that one negative comment can sting so much! I too read a couple of negative reviews of Malka's book and I have to say, I think these people just don't get it! One's complaint was less about the book itself but about the pages the amazon did show on their website and the other was someone claiming that Malka was self-aggrandizing and that, if she was the true friend she claims to be, then she would be helping Joni out rather than making money off her book. As I've said, some people just don't get it. I got the book from the library and am about 3/4 way through. Before reading it, that my initial thought was that it could end up being all things we've heard before and maybe more *about* Malka than about Joni but I've found that I like the book quite a bit! Malka interviewed Joni three times over the space of 30 or more years and each time she asked Joni some very good questions and got some very candid answers and a lot of what Joni talked to her about is new to me at least. My feeling is that Joni trusts her enough to talk to her about these things and that they were both very open with one another. So what if it's basically a transcript of some long reviews? No one ever claimed it was otherwise, do you're not being misled thinking it's something else. Sometimes I prefer to read these things rather than listen to or watch an interview. That way I can do it at my leisure. ________________________________ Gone are the days of newspapers having a "jazz writer" on staff (I remember those days) and most reviewers get paid less than $50 or even write for free, on some of the most legit sites. There's almost no way to "manage" the situation. However...there are some online warriors who will not back down, in a good way, on topics of substance, disallowing negative people to reek havoc. Facebook, YouTube, Twitter, Amazon and other places have become pretty toxic. Not in every case, of course, but, it seems to be more and more. And this negativity can cause harm. Sad, but true. [...]With Joni-related issues, many of us will investigate. I was very upset with the negative reviews about Malka's book as I think it's an amazing piece of work. I will, later today, go on Amazon to write a review. I simply didn't even think to do it! And so it goes. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2014 13:31:32 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Eeek, there's a "troll" in my house! NJC This is a great discussion - reminds me of why I love this group and why I am still around 15 years+ later. What changes we've witnessed in our culture...time was all you had to do was hear "it's got a good beat, you can dance to it, I'll give it a 95" and you were off to the dime store to get the latest 45. "Reviewing the reviews" is important. When I see "1 of 35 people found this review helpful", I know I can ignore it. Netflix, I believe, orders movie reviews in the order in which they are rated by users; that is to say that the most helpful reviews are the first ones you read. I'm not sure if Amazon does that also or if they arrange them chronologically. Catherine, that strikes me funny that someone had only reviewed (2) items - - Laurie's CD and an electric adapter. I guess at some point Laurie must have broken his heart and he's getting even. I totally agree with what you say - "they just seem to be very unhappy people who like to blame others, directly or indirectly, for their own unhappiness." As for YouTube, I preview lots of videos looking for Joni covers. The quality runs the total gamut from gorgeous perfection to total wreck. The former typically get a "thumbs up" kind of comment from me but I don't see any benefit from making overly negative comments on the latter. Why hurt someone's feelings? I've been doing community theater for 35 years now and have had great reviews and not-so-good. I have had friends who totally dropped out of the scene because of a scathing review. Sometimes it doesn't take much to make you believe you're no good. Bob NP: Old 97's, "Most Messed Up" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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