From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2014 #1173 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe:mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website:http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, September 12 2014 Volume 2014 : Number 1173 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: DJRD ["Susan E. McNamara" ] RE: DJRD [c Karma ] Re: Eeek, there's a "troll" in my house! NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: Eeek, there's a "troll" in my house! NJC [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: Hejira -- first generation master [Dave Blackburn Subject: RE: DJRD Greenville, SC 2015!!! :) Susan Tierney McNamara email: sem8@cornell.edu From: c Karma [mailto:ckarma@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 11:41 AM To: joni@smoe.org; Susan E. McNamara Subject: RE: DJRD I have ankle bells!!!! Next fest, for sure. CC Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2014 19:30:00 +0000 From: "Susan E. McNamara" > Subject: RE: DJRD I think I spent most of last summer trying to memorize the words, sing and play this whole song. It was like working out for a marathon!!! :-) Susan Tierney McNamara email: sem8@cornell.edu - - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Jack Merkel Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 2:54 PM To: Shari Cc: joni Subject: Re: DJRD Shari, While there are plenty of other Joni songs that I have a deeper emotional connection with, the lyrics to DJRD just knock me out! The imagination on display in these lyrics is remarkable. IMO, this is Joni at her most exhilarating creative peak. The imagery, the pacing, the musicianship, her signing all leave me breathless every time I listen to it. Jack ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2014 15:40:39 +0000 From: c Karma Subject: RE: DJRD I have ankle bells!!!! Next fest, for sure. CCDate: Mon, 8 Sep 2014 19:30:00 +0000 From: "Susan E. McNamara" Subject: RE: DJRD I think I spent most of last summer trying to memorize the words, sing and play this whole song. It was like working out for a marathon!!! :-) Susan Tierney McNamara email: sem8@cornell.edu - - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Jack Merkel Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 2:54 PM To: Shari Cc: joni Subject: Re: DJRD Shari, While there are plenty of other Joni songs that I have a deeper emotional connection with, the lyrics to DJRD just knock me out! The imagination on display in these lyrics is remarkable. IMO, this is Joni at her most exhilarating creative peak. The imagery, the pacing, the musicianship, her signing all leave me breathless every time I listen to it. Jack ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2014 08:01:50 -0700 From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Eeek, there's a "troll" in my house! NJC Bob, I feel the same way and am generally quite leery of reviews of anything that's either too gushy or too nasty. As well, I think that people who do reviews on websites like amazon do tend to fall to the extremes and that rarely will you see a truly well-considered review. I have given up reviewing things on amazon for the most part since they don't seem to like it if you simply give something a star-rating, but I can't always think of something to say that hasn't already been said by many people many times or that is in any way helpful. I don't particularly have the time or the interest to review something in a thorough way and simply saying something like, "I LOVED this!" seems pointless. I'm not really sure how many people go by the reviews on amazon, but I guess some do ( I would be more likely to do this for a product and not a CD or a book). When I do read reviews, I look for the ones that go beyond gush or flame and have some actual content in them. I've also noticed that a lot of trolls can't spell or use proper grammar (What's up with that?) and that many of them seem to have major chips on their shoulders (in fact, entire blocks) and they just seem to be very unhappy people who like to blame others, directly or indirectly, for their own unhappiness. Particularly with certain types of music, and jazz is probably the main one, people seem truly divided into certain camps where only *their* particular style of jazz is good and everything else is crap. These people seem to knock everything and consider themselves experts on their subject, to the point of intolerance towards anyone else's point of view or, for that matter, anyone's questions. Analysis of the one- and two-stars and I'm not really sure if these people fit my definition of "troll" but opinions on this differ: Troll # 1: This person has done four reviews only. Gave five stars and an actual review to both a Todd Rundgren CD (gushy and not particularly informative) and a book about Frank Zappa (a decent review since he gives info and doesn't gush.) Gave one star only to two items, i.e. "Sony CDRs - utter trash". Laurie's CD "I hated it". You can rate ratings as helpful or not, and I've rated his as "not helpful" for this CD, since he gives no explanation of why he hated it, which makes me wonder why he would bother to comment at all. Maybe it's actually a good thing when one or two people have that kind of visceral response. Troll # 2: This woman has done quite a few reviews and seems to be a big Joni fan, but her reviews tend to be one or two words only, therefore not particularly helpful. She also seems to assign either five stars or one to everything, with no in-betweens. I downvoted her review of your CD only because she doesn't explain why she hates it. Troll # 3: the 2-star guy. Things are looking up! He has reviewed only two things:your album and a light-bulb adapter. Consider yourself in good company! His verbal review isn't helpful, since he doesn't' explain why it's a disappointment, and that is disappointing to me. Having said all of the above, I have probably reviewed a few things on amazon where I've used only a few words or a few lines and therefore my reviews are equally pointless. But I've given up doing them at all, since it takes too much time to do it right. ________________________________ From: "Bob.Muller@Fluor.com" To: Dave Blackburn Cc: JMDL JMDL ; Laurie Antonioli Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 8:36 AM Subject: Re: Eeek, there's a "troll" in my house! NJC I may not be typical but I seldom give a lot of credence to those 1-star 1-line reviews. Trolls will be trolls. By the same token, when someone is gushing and gushing you can sort of tell that they have some kind of relationship with the person behind the product and may not be totally sincere. With the case of CD's on Amazon, you can do a play through of the song samples and get a pretty good feel for what the singer and band sound like, what the style of music is, etc. You're not as dependent on reviews as you would be with other products that you have to buy based on other factors. Bob NP: Great Lake Swimmers, "Pulling On A Line" - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2014 08:47:59 -0700 From: Shari Subject: Re: DJRD Is that what all that shooka shooka noise is! I was wondering. > On Sep 12, 2014, at 8:40, c Karma wrote: > > I have ankle bells!!!! Next fest, for sure. > CCDate: Mon, 8 Sep 2014 19:30:00 +0000 > From: "Susan E. McNamara" > Subject: RE: DJRD > > I think I spent most of last summer trying to memorize the words, sing and > play this whole song. It was like working out for a marathon!!! :-) > > Susan Tierney McNamara > email: sem8@cornell.edu > > > - -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Jack > Merkel > Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 2:54 PM > To: Shari > Cc: joni > Subject: Re: DJRD > > Shari, > > While there are plenty of other Joni songs that I have a deeper emotional > connection with, the lyrics to DJRD just knock me out! The imagination on > display in these lyrics is remarkable. IMO, this is Joni at her most > exhilarating creative peak. The imagery, the pacing, the musicianship, her > signing all leave me breathless every time I listen to it. > > Jack ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2014 08:36:27 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Eeek, there's a "troll" in my house! NJC I may not be typical but I seldom give a lot of credence to those 1-star 1-line reviews. Trolls will be trolls. By the same token, when someone is gushing and gushing you can sort of tell that they have some kind of relationship with the person behind the product and may not be totally sincere. With the case of CD's on Amazon, you can do a play through of the song samples and get a pretty good feel for what the singer and band sound like, what the style of music is, etc. You're not as dependent on reviews as you would be with other products that you have to buy based on other factors. Bob NP: Great Lake Swimmers, "Pulling On A Line" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2014 07:06:41 -0700 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: Hejira -- first generation master Chris, I guess it goes like this: in the analog era it was common for a 2-track master to be sent to a plant in the US and another to Europe for pressing (maybe Asia too - I dont know). The European one was a safety copy of the US one, so I guess my heading is not quite correct, this being a copy of the first gen master. The Netherlands plant changed hands or closed down years ago and it was going to dump the contents of its tape vaults in the trash (!!!) until someone swept up the best titles and made them available for sale. They are fully authentic and have all appropriate markings on the tape box. Kip owns Blue, Court and Spark, Hejira, Dark Side of the Moon, Kind of Blue, and dozens of others. He played me some of Blue and it was so vivid it made you laugh, tape being far richer sounding than vinyl, which is subjected to heavy eq processing to conform to the RIAA curve. Kip also has a DSD recorder that can sample at 384kHz (a CD is 44.1kHz) so if he wanted to he could offer PONO an album at that resolution, but I suspect he wouldnt want to get involved in trading of music with possibly unknown legal complications. Remember also that scarcely anyone has a listening system that represents all the details that his does. Even old mono jazz recordings sound dimensional on his system, and how is that even possible? cheers all, Dave On Sep 9, 2014, at 6:14 AM, c Karma wrote: > Congratulations Dave! If Petersen makes it available to PONO, I'll join up! > > How many 2 track tapes are usually struck from the multitrack for mastering? > Might Bernie Grundman have used this one to score the wax? > > Would love a film documenting all of the current and past crop of hot LA > producers from Perry and Asher to Pharrell brought together to listen on their > choice of reference headphones, and then discuss. > > Your bucket is still half full. Luv to Robin. > > CC ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2014 #1173 ****************************** ------- To post messages to the list,sendtojoni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------