From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2014 #1125 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe:mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website:http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, August 22 2014 Volume 2014 : Number 1125 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #1120 [simon@icu.com] Re: Notches ["Mark" ] Re: Video [Bob Muller ] Re: Video [Michael Paz ] Best Bands, Ever njc [jlhommedieu@insight.rr.com] Re: Notches ["Mark" ] Re: Both sides now something's lost, something's gained [Anita Gabrielle ] Apologies (njc) [ingrid lochrenberg ] Re: Notches [Anita Gabrielle ] Re: Notches ["Mark" ] Re: Notches [Lori Renee Fye ] Re: Best Bands, Ever njc [Bob Muller ] Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #1120 [Laurie Antonioli ] Re: Apologies (njc) [Victor ] Re: Notches [Marion Leffler ] Re: Notches [Lori Renee Fye ] Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #1120 ["Mark" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2014 14:33:39 -0400 From: simon@icu.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #1120 Laurie Antonioli wrote: > Seems that most geniuses are that way from a young age. Billy Strayhorn > wrote "Lush Life" when he was 17. That's a real mind-blower. Look at the > great painters - many lived short lives as did many genius musicians. Here > for a flash to do their "work" and then gone. I'm so grateful Joni is still with us. > > Laurie Donald Barthel wrote: > Wow! That does blow my mind about Bill Strayhorn and "Lush Life! > (One of my very favorite songs!) > Donald R. Barthel Laurie, Donald and others ... May find the following interesting. BILLY STRAYHORN - IN THE LIFE BILLY STRAYHORN: LUSH LIFE - Preview - PBS I expect the complete LUSH LIFE documentary will be available soon. andmoreagain, - - - - - - - - - - simonM ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2014 05:49:24 -0700 From: "Mark" Subject: Re: Notches I understand that that sort of thing happens to our hearing as we age, Lori. ;-) Mark in Seattle - -----Original Message----- From: Lori Renee Fye Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2014 8:16 PM To: Joni List Subject: Notches Cranking "Don't Interrupt the Sorrow" right now and I just heard, "You're not just liberation, doll." Someone else has heard it that way before, I'm sure, but this was a first for me. Lori Caldwell, Idaho ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2014 05:26:44 -0700 From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Video Thanks for pointing the way to this video, Laurie - having heard the album a bunch, it was great to see it being made, the process, and how much your band was into it, and what it must have meant to Matt. If he's not here, he needs to be! Bob NP: Rammelzee vs K Rob, "Beat Bop" ________________________________ From: Laurie Antonioli To: JMDL ; owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2014 5:29 PM Subject: Video Hi Dear JMDL friends -- Thought you might enjoy seeing a "behind the scenes" look of the new CD. Thanks so much for all your support - it's been really amazing. Hope you enjoy the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6QNK_RRxoQ All the best, Laurie ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2014 11:03:53 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Video Nice! I enjoyed it. CD still in heavy rotation round here.. Best Paz (getting ready for a bucket of ice) On Aug 21, 2014, at 4:29 PM, Laurie Antonioli wrote: Hi Dear JMDL friends -- Thought you might enjoy seeing a "behind the scenes" look of the new CD. Thanks so much for all your support - it's been really amazing. Hope you enjoy the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6QNK_RRxoQ All the best, Laurie ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2014 12:16:54 -0400 From: jlhommedieu@insight.rr.com Subject: Best Bands, Ever njc In no particular order... Beatles E Streeters Allman Brothers when Dickie Betts was on board Crazy Horse Little Feat Yes, obviously ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2014 18:23:20 -0700 From: "Mark" Subject: Re: Notches Lori, thank you making me :-) xoxo Mark in Seattle - -----Original Message----- From: Lori Renee Fye Sent: Friday, August 22, 2014 6:11 PM To: Mark Cc: Anita Gabrielle ; Shari ; Joni List Subject: Re: Notches > Why do I always do this? It may be the perpetual Joni conundrum: Is is notches, not just, or nachos? ;-) Lori Caldwell, Idaho ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2014 17:46:24 +0100 From: Anita Gabrielle Subject: Re: Both sides now something's lost, something's gained > Anita will know the other inspirational line..."today I am not prey to > dark uncertainty". Now THAT'S inspirational. > > Happy Thursday Hippies! > > Bob. > ------------------------------------------------------------ Indeed, Bob. It's also inspiring to know that you remember me and the importance of that line, Thank you and a Happy Friday! Anita xxx ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2014 17:30:26 +0200 From: ingrid lochrenberg Subject: Apologies (njc) Apologies to all on this site for having sailed round the bend. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2014 16:39:18 +0100 From: Anita Gabrielle Subject: Re: Notches In the 80s, I always sang "You're not just liberation, doll" then assumed, when the song was discussed over the years after JMDL that I must have heard it wrong, so started singing "notches"! Not just versus Notches I can imagine asking Joni which is correct and her saying "I don't remember" or "who cares"? Well I still do! Anita xx > On 22 Aug 2014, at 14:53, Shari wrote: > > I believe the idea is that the woman's call for freedom led the man to drink bc of the guilt he felt subconsciously (anima rising). The room full of glasses are the notches in her belt. The punches he's had to take. > > > On Aug 22, 2014, at 8:55, Lori Renee Fye wrote: > >>> I understand that that sort of thing happens to our hearing >>> as we age, Lori. >>> >>> ;-) >> >> HA! :-D >> >> Really though, I wonder if "You're not just liberation, doll" was really >> what Joni intended. "You're not just liberation, doll. You're much more." >> ("You're something else." "You're all woman." Could be many things.) >> >> Notches never made sense to me, whether belt or bedpost. >> >> Lori >> Caldwell, Idaho ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2014 18:01:55 -0700 From: "Mark" Subject: Re: Notches Take the apostrophe out and get that 'e' off the end of the possessive pronoun 'your'. A roomful of glasses 'Your notches, liberation doll!' Makes perfect sense to me and apparently to Shari as well. Why do I always do this? Going to sit in my corner now. Mark in Seattle - -----Original Message----- From: Anita Gabrielle Sent: Friday, August 22, 2014 8:39 AM To: Shari Cc: Lori Renee Fye ; Mark ; Joni List Subject: Re: Notches In the 80s, I always sang "You're not just liberation, doll" then assumed, when the song was discussed over the years after JMDL that I must have heard it wrong, so started singing "notches"! Not just versus Notches I can imagine asking Joni which is correct and her saying "I don't remember" or "who cares"? Well I still do! Anita xx > On 22 Aug 2014, at 14:53, Shari wrote: > > I believe the idea is that the woman's call for freedom led the man to > drink bc of the guilt he felt subconsciously (anima rising). The room full > of glasses are the notches in her belt. The punches he's had to take. > > > On Aug 22, 2014, at 8:55, Lori Renee Fye wrote: > >>> I understand that that sort of thing happens to our hearing >>> as we age, Lori. >>> >>> ;-) >> >> HA! :-D >> >> Really though, I wonder if "You're not just liberation, doll" was really >> what Joni intended. "You're not just liberation, doll. You're much >> more." >> ("You're something else." "You're all woman." Could be many things.) >> >> Notches never made sense to me, whether belt or bedpost. >> >> Lori >> Caldwell, Idaho ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2014 19:12:12 -0600 From: Lori Renee Fye Subject: Re: Notches Dammit: it. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2014 09:51:19 -0700 From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Best Bands, Ever njc I suppose you didn't mention Led Zeppelin because they're in a class by themselves. Bob NP: Pookie Blow, "Get Up & Go To School" ________________________________ From: "jlhommedieu@insight.rr.com" To: joni@smoe.org Sent: Friday, August 22, 2014 12:16 PM Subject: Best Bands, Ever njc In no particular order... Beatles E Streeters Allman Brothers when Dickie Betts was on board Crazy Horse Little Feat Yes, obviously ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2014 18:25:19 -0700 From: Laurie Antonioli Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #1120 Been meaning to read "Lush Life" in my spare time (hah!!) - some day I will read again. I have the new Joni book here and am getting a few paragraphs in at a time. Bedside book pile is stacked high. Laurie On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 6:20 PM, Mark wrote: > David Hajdu's 'Lush Life' is also an interesting read. Unfortunately, the > used copy I bought years ago has a bunch of pages missing out of it > somewhere towards the last quarter of the book. I didn't discover this > until I finally started reading it about a month ago. I need to get > another copy so I can finish it. Some say that Strayhorn didn't get the > credit he deserved for a lot of the arrangement and composition work he did > for Ellington. Hajdu points out that Billy lived his life as an openly gay > man and that Ellington's patronage gave him a chance to create the music he > did. During the times Strayhorn lived in, his sexuality would have closed a > lot of doors. Ellington gave him the opportunity to be the musician and > composer that he was. Unfortunately, the trade-off was that Billy didn't > get credit for a lot of the collaborative work he did with the Duke. > > Mark in Seattle > > -----Original Message----- From: simon@icu.com > Sent: Friday, August 22, 2014 11:33 AM > To: joni@smoe.org > Cc: Laurie Antonioli ; donald.barthel@kodak.com > Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #1120 > > > Laurie Antonioli wrote: > > > Seems that most geniuses are that way from a young age. Billy > Strayhorn > > wrote "Lush Life" when he was 17. That's a real mind-blower. Look > at the > > great painters - many lived short lives as did many genius > musicians. Here > > for a flash to do their "work" and then gone. I'm so grateful Joni > is still with us. > > > > Laurie > > Donald Barthel wrote: > > > Wow! That does blow my mind about Bill Strayhorn and "Lush Life! > > (One of my very favorite songs!) > > Donald R. Barthel > > > Laurie, Donald and others ... > > May find the following interesting. > > BILLY STRAYHORN - IN THE LIFE > > > BILLY STRAYHORN: LUSH LIFE - Preview - PBS > > > > I expect the complete LUSH LIFE documentary will be available soon. > > > > > andmoreagain, > - - - - - - - - - > simonM ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2014 08:56:48 -0700 From: Victor Subject: Re: Apologies (njc) I floated/paddled the river in Bend in a raft the other weekend and may go down the river today, though not technically sailing...but I suppose it was around (the) Bend. Victor in Bend PS. Jmdlers, come visit any time...will have a guest room if the moving truck ever arrives. Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 22, 2014, at 8:30 AM, ingrid lochrenberg wrote: > > Apologies to all on this site for having sailed round the bend. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2014 09:55:42 +0200 From: Marion Leffler Subject: Re: Notches Makes more sense than "notches", at least to me. Before I learnt about "notches" from a discussion here some time ago, I always heard "obnoxious liberation doll",which admittedly sounded a bit harsh... Marion in Sweden 2014-08-22 5:16 GMT+02:00 Lori Renee Fye : > Cranking "Don't Interrupt the Sorrow" right now and I just heard, "You're > not just liberation, doll." > > Someone else has heard it that way before, I'm sure, but this was a first > for me. > > Lori > Caldwell, Idaho ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2014 06:55:20 -0600 From: Lori Renee Fye Subject: Re: Notches > I understand that that sort of thing happens to our hearing > as we age, Lori. > > ;-) HA! :-D Really though, I wonder if "You're not just liberation, doll" was really what Joni intended. "You're not just liberation, doll. You're much more." ("You're something else." "You're all woman." Could be many things.) Notches never made sense to me, whether belt or bedpost. Lori Caldwell, Idaho ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2014 18:20:12 -0700 From: "Mark" Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #1120 David Hajdu's 'Lush Life' is also an interesting read. Unfortunately, the used copy I bought years ago has a bunch of pages missing out of it somewhere towards the last quarter of the book. I didn't discover this until I finally started reading it about a month ago. I need to get another copy so I can finish it. Some say that Strayhorn didn't get the credit he deserved for a lot of the arrangement and composition work he did for Ellington. Hajdu points out that Billy lived his life as an openly gay man and that Ellington's patronage gave him a chance to create the music he did. During the times Strayhorn lived in, his sexuality would have closed a lot of doors. Ellington gave him the opportunity to be the musician and composer that he was. Unfortunately, the trade-off was that Billy didn't get credit for a lot of the collaborative work he did with the Duke. Mark in Seattle - -----Original Message----- From: simon@icu.com Sent: Friday, August 22, 2014 11:33 AM To: joni@smoe.org Cc: Laurie Antonioli ; donald.barthel@kodak.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #1120 Laurie Antonioli wrote: > Seems that most geniuses are that way from a young age. Billy Strayhorn > wrote "Lush Life" when he was 17. That's a real mind-blower. Look at the > great painters - many lived short lives as did many genius musicians. Here > for a flash to do their "work" and then gone. I'm so grateful Joni is still with us. > > Laurie Donald Barthel wrote: > Wow! That does blow my mind about Bill Strayhorn and "Lush Life! > (One of my very favorite songs!) > Donald R. Barthel Laurie, Donald and others ... May find the following interesting. BILLY STRAYHORN - IN THE LIFE BILLY STRAYHORN: LUSH LIFE - Preview - PBS I expect the complete LUSH LIFE documentary will be available soon. andmoreagain, - - - - - - - - - - simonM ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2014 #1125 ****************************** ------- To post messages to the list,sendtojoni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------