From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2014 #1123 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe:mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website:http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, August 21 2014 Volume 2014 : Number 1123 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Subject: Re: Joni's best albums vocally [Bruce Eggleston ] Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #1097 [David Gizara ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2014 07:14:28 -0600 From: Bruce Eggleston Subject: Subject: Re: Joni's best albums vocally > It has always been "Ladies of the Canyon," La Mitchell fully formed, enlightened, and worldly to a dazzling degree. The Bonneville ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2014 09:01:41 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Both sides now something's lost, something's gained How else has joni inspired us and given us words for our experiences?> Marianne?? YOU of all people paved toad paradise and put up a parking lot? (Sigh) Just kidding, sweetheart. To answer your question, the other line in BSN that whacks my head with a board is "if you care, don't let them know, don't give yourself away". Such a bittersweet line from someone so young. Anita will know the other inspirational line..."today I am not prey to dark uncertainty". Now THAT'S inspirational. Happy Thursday Hippies! Bob NP: Little Feat, "Willin'" (some inspiration in this one too) - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. 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B Also, Joni has the gift of gab as many first children or only children do. B And, polio woke her up. B I read last night in In Her Words, that when she was quarantined, her mother visited her one time and brought her the Christmas tree that was instrumental in her recovery, and her dad didn't visit her at all. B Sanitariums were like that. B Definitely it was a wake up call for Joni at the age of reason. B Then there's Little Green, losing a child who ends up being out there somewhere, the radio being a means to sing to her perhaps. B Anybody else have the new book yet and reading it? I love that it is comes through her friendship with Malka. B What better way to do this thing than in conversation with somebody you love?! Love, Laura B ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2014 09:11:45 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Joni's best album acoustic guitar and other things Anybody else have the new book yet and reading it?> I have it, started it, loving it. I love the authentic style and look forward to learning and seeing lots of things I've not seen before. We certainly don't need another biography. Just need more time in the day to do all the things I want to do. Bob NP: Little Feat, "Sailing Shoes" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2014 07:56:53 -0400 From: David Lahm Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #1120 And I read that Thelonious wrote ROUND MIDNIGHT at 19. David Lahm On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 1:09 AM, Laurie Antonioli wrote: > Seems that most geniuses are that way from a young age. Billy Strayhorn > wrote "Lush Life" when he was 17. That's a real mind-blower. Look at the > great painters - many lived short lives as did many genius musicians. Here > for a flash to do their "work" and then gone. I'm so grateful Joni is > still with us. > > Laurie > > > > > On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 9:17 PM, JMDL Digest > wrote: > > > > > JMDL Digest Thursday, August 21 2014 Volume 2014 : Number > > 1120 > > > > > > > > ========== > > > > TOPICS and authors in this Digest: > > -------- > > Re: Both sides now something's lost, something's gained ["Paul > > Meyer-stro] > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2014 21:15:43 -0700 > > From: "Paul Meyer-strom" > > Subject: Re: Both sides now something's lost, something's gained > > > > Beautifully expressed. > > > > You said my feelings perfectly (although I haven't frog holes in my barn > > floor to repair). > > > > A rare and beautiful ability to spot and describe profundities with > > elegant, > > clear, and unique verse. > > > > SIQUOMB > > > > > > > > - -------------------------------------------------- > > From: "Marianne Rizzo" > > Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2014 8:03 PM > > To: "joni list" > > Subject: Both sides now something's lost, something's gained > > > > > SOMETHING'S LOST and SOMETHING'S GAINED in LIVING everyday > > > Well, I was talking to patti about this. > > > "something's lost and something's gained in living everyday." > > > This truly, profound statement was written by a special 23? year old > > > person? > > > > > > I am so touched by this statement. I think of this often. . > > > So many times I have found this in life. . . . > > > Something's lost and something's gained. . . . > > > > > > I pour some concrete in my barn to repair the ground and perhaps > closing > > > up some habitat for toads and for a while, I no longer saw the toads > in > > > my barn, and I thought, something's lost and something's gained in > living > > > every day. I thought perhaps I had cemented over habitat. ( they > came > > > back, later though!) > > > But, we lose one thing in this continuation of life, and we hopefully > > gain > > > another thing. . . > > > THIS is the cycle of life . . . . continuous, yet broken. > > > > > > WHO sees this at 23 years old, 21 years old? WHO arrives at this and > is > > > then able to express it? > > > I don't know if I would have come to this myself. > > > What other profound thoughts/analysis are found in this mind/heart of > > > joni? > > > A very smart, intellectual, contemplative, creative one. > > > A gift to us. Thank you joni. > > > > > > How else has joni inspired us and given us words for our experiences? > > > We are better for it. > > > Marianne > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > End of JMDL Digest V2014 #1120 > > ****************************** > > > > ------- > > To post messages to the list,sendtojoni@smoe.org. > > Unsubscribe by clicking here: > > mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe > > ------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2014 17:24:46 -0700 From: David Gizara Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #1097 I like Jonis voice throughout her career. From the clear bright high notes of her youth to the deeper cigarette cured now. David Thursday Night Jazz KLCC on facebook. On Aug 17, 2014, at 3:34 PM, JMDL Digest wrote: > > JMDL Digest Sunday, August 17 2014 Volume 2014 : Number 1097 > > > > ========== > > TOPICS and authors in this Digest: > -------- > Re: Joni's best albums vocally [Lori Renee Fye ] > America Is Not For Black People [simon@icu.com] > Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #1091 [Catherine McKay ] > A little hint about posts on the JMDL [Lori Renee Fye Joni's best album - vocally. [Bob Muller ] > Re: The windfall (Everything for Nothing) [Catherine McKay > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2014 16:20:52 -0600 > From: Lori Renee Fye > Subject: Re: Joni's best albums vocally > > Jim McM asked: > >> This is a tough one, but....what do you think is Joni's best albums >> vocally? Where her voice just penetrates your soul (the most). Yes, >> I know, stupid question, but I lean toward "for the roses". > > I agree with Catherine: It's not a stupid question at all. > > I think the album that blows me away most in a vocal sense is "The Hissing > of Summer Lawns." Joni's voice on a few of the songs on that album just > cut my heart to its core, and that's a good thing as far as I'm concerned. > > Lori, > whose all-time favorite album by anyone ever remains "Hejira," > on a sunny Sunday in Caldwell, Idaho > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2014 16:07:58 -0400 > From: simon@icu.com > Subject: America Is Not For Black People > > bWhen ALL The Slaves Are Free?b > > AMERICA IS NOT FOR BLACK PEOPLE > by Greg Howard > Aug. 12, 2014 > > > > The United States of America is not for black people. We know this, and then we put it out of our minds, > and then something happens to remind us. Saturday, in the St. Louis suburb of Ferguson, Mo., something > like that happened: An unarmed 18-year-old black man was executed by police in broad daylight. > > By now, what's happening in Ferguson is about so many second-order issuesbsystemic racism, > the militarization of police work, and how citizens can redress grievances, > among other thingsbthat it's worth remembering what actually happened here. > > Michael Brown was walking down the middle of the street in Ferguson's Canfield Green apartment > complex around noon on Saturday with his friend Dorin Johnson when the two were approached > by a police officer in a police truck. The officer exchanged words with the boys. The officer attempted > to get out of his car. At this point, two narratives split. > > According to the still-unnamed officer, one of the two boys shoved him back into the vehicle and then > wrestled for his sidearm, discharging one shot into the cabin. The two ran, and the police officer once > again stepped from his vehicle and shot at the fleeing teenagers multiple times, killing Brown. > > According to Johnson and other eye witnesses, however, the cop ordered the friends to "get the fuck > on the sidewalk,b but the teenagers said they had almost reached their destination. That's when the > officer slammed his door open so hard that it bounced off of Brown and closed again. > The cop then reached out and grabbed Brown by the neck, then by the shirt. > > "I'm gonna shoot you," the cop said. > > The cop shot him once, but Brown pulled away, and the pair were still able to run away together. > The officer fired again. Johnson ducked behind a car, but the cop's second shot caused Brown to > stop about 35 feet away from the cruiser, still within touching distance of Johnson. Multiple witnesses > say this is when Brown raised his hands in the air to show he was unarmed. Johnson remembered > that Brown also said, "I don't have a gun, stop shooting!" The officer then shot him dead. > > > Eyewitness: Michael Brown Pleaded bI Donbt Have a Gun, Stop Shooting!b > > Dorian Johnson, a friend of Michael Brown who claims to have been with him when he > was shot andb&Read on gawker.b com > > > > After that, the narratives dovetail again. Brown was left where he died, baking in the Missouri heat for hours, > before he was removed by authorities. The officer was placed on paid administrative leave. > > Michael Brown is not special. In all its specificity, the 18-year old's death remains > just the most recent example of police officers killing unarmed black men. > > Part of the reason we're seeing so many black men killed is that police officers are now best understood > less as members of communities, dedicated to keeping peace within them, than as domestic soldiers. > The drug war has long functioned as a full-employment act for arms dealers looking to sell every town > and village in the country on the need for military-grade hardware, and 9/11 made things vastly worse, > with local police departments throughout America grabbing for cash to better defend against any and > all terrorist threats. War had reached our shores, we were told, and police officers needed weaponry > to fight it. > > Officers have tanks now. They have drones. They have automatic rifles, and planes, and helicopters, > and they go through military-style boot camp training. It's a constant complaint from what remains > of this country's civil liberties caucus. Just this last June, the ACLU issued a report on how police > departments now possess arsenals in need of a use. Few paid attention, as usually happens. > > The worst part of outfitting our police officers as soldiers has been psychological. > Give a man access to drones, tanks, and body armor, and he'll reasonably think that his job isnbt > simply to maintain peace, but to eradicate danger. Instead of protecting and serving, police are > searching and destroying. > > If officers are soldiers, it follows that the neighborhoods they patrol are battlefields. > And if they're working battlefields, it follows that the population is the enemy. And because of correlations, > rooted in historical injustice, between crime and income and income and race, the enemy population will > consist largely of people of color, and especially of black men. Throughout the country, police officers are > capturing, imprisoning, and killing black males at a ridiculous clip, waging a very literal war on people > like Michael Brown. > > > The Case for Reparations > Two hundred fifty years of slavery. Ninety years of Jim Crow. Sixty years of separate but equal > > .b&Read on The Atlantic.b com > > > > "There's a long history of racial tension and misunderstanding in this region," St. Louis Post-Dispatch > columnist Aisha Sultan told me over the phone yesterday. "Especially on the north side." > > This sort of thingbespecially on the north sidebis what gets glossed over a little too easily when > we try to fit a particular incident into a broader narrative. Ferguson is a small town of 21,000, > mostly white until the 1960s, when whites fled anywhere but where they were. Today, Ferguson, > which is a bit north of St. Louis, is mostly black; Ferguson and St. Louis County police are mostly white. > That fits a metropolitan area flanked by two rivers that divide neighborhoods and regions by race, > the sixth-most segregated in the United States. > > To people, like me, from the coast--I'm from Maryland--St. Louis can seem like a blank in the the > middle of the country, a place where people and even ideas get stuck on the way to somewhere better, > or at least somewhere else. But St. Louis is like New York (the fourth-most segregated metro in America), > or Los Angeles, or Miami, or Dallas, or Washington, DC, only more so. Far from a blank, St. Louis is often > regarded as the most American of America's cities. > > "It is a microcosm of the rest of the country," Sultan said. "If this can happen in St. Louis, it can happen in any city." > > It does. On August 5 in Beavercreek, Ohio, 22-year-old John Crawford was killed in a Walmart when > a toy gun he had picked up from inside the store was apparently mistaken for a real gun. LeeCee Johnson, > who had two children with Crawford, said that she was on the phone with him, and that his last words before > she heard gunshots from police officers were, "It's not real." > > On July 17 in Staten Island, New York, 43-year-old Eric Garner, a well-known presence in the neighborhood > who sold illicit cigarettes and kept an eye on the block, was killed after breaking up a fight when NYPD officer > Daniel Pantaleo used an illegal chokehold on the asthmatic man. > "I can't breathe," he said, before he died. "I can't breathe." > > > "I can't breathe.b > > > On the night of September 14, 2013 in Charlotte, N.C., 24-year-old Jonathan Ferrell was killed > after getting into a car accident. He climbed out of the rear window of the car, stumbled to the > nearest house, and banged on the door for help. The homeowner notified the police, who showed > up to the house. Ferrell was tased, and then an officer named Randall Kerrick shot and struck Ferrell 10 times. > > There was Trayvon Martin in Sanford, Fla., and Oscar Grant in Oakland, Calif., and so many more. > Michael Brownbs death wasn't shocking at all. All over the country, unarmed black men are being > killed by the very people who have sworn to protect them, as has been going on for a very long > time now. It would appear that cops are not for black people, either. > > After Brown's death came his demonization. First, we heard that Brown had run for stealing > candy from a store. Then we were bombarded with a photo of Brown in a red Nike tank top > on a stoop, posing for the camera. > > > This photo, in which Brown was flashing a "gang signb--a peace sign, actually--was > presented as proof that the teenager was a thug; his friends and family now not only > have to work through their grief, but against a posthumous slur campaign. Johnson > described his friend in an MSNBC interview as cool and quiet. Brown's uncle, Bernard > Ewings, said in a Sunday interview that Brown loved music. Brown's mother, Leslie > McSpadden, said that he was funny and could make people laugh. He graduated from > high school in the spring, and was headed to college to pursue a career in heating and > cooling engineering. Monday would have been his first day. > > > > > By all accounts, Brown was One Of The Good Ones. But laying all this out, explaining all the ways > in which he didnbt deserve to die like a dog in the street, is in itself disgraceful. Arguing whether > Brown was a good kid or not is functionally arguing over whether he specifically deserved to die, > a way of acknowledging that some black men ought to be executed. > > To even acknowledge this line of debate is to start a larger argument about the worth, > the very personhood, of a black man in America. It's to engage in a cost-benefit analysis, > weigh probabilities, and gauge the precise odds that Brown's life was worth nothing against > the threat he posed to the life of the man who killed him. It's to deny that there are structural > reasons why Brown was shot dead while James Eagan Holmes--who on July 20, 2012, > walked into a movie theater and fired rounds into an audience, killing 12 and wounding > 70 more--was taken alive. > > To ascribe this entirely to contempt for black men is to miss an essential variable, though--a very real, > American fear of them. Theybwe--are inexplicably seen as a millions-strong army of potential killers, > capable and cold enough that any single one could be a threat to a trained police officer in a bulletproof > vest. There are reasons why white gun's rights activists can walk into a Chipotle restaurant with assault > rifles and be seen as gauche nuisances while unarmed black men are killed for reaching for their wallets > or cell phones, or carrying children's toys. Guns aren't for black people, either. > > Sunday was Brown's vigil, and several hundred people congregated in Ferguson. They began to march > toward the Ferguson police station in protest. Police met them in full riot gear, with rifles, shields, helmets, > dogs, and gas masks. Protesters yelled, "No justice, no peace!" They called the police murderers. > They raised their hands in mock surrender, saying, "Don't shoot, I'm unarmed." > > And then the protest turned violent, as some citizens began to break into, loot, > and set fire to storefronts in their own community. > > Police officers shot tear gas and rubber bullets. Thirty-two people were arrested that night. > Two policemen were injured. There was nothing easy to make of it. It was a senseless and > counterproductive attack on the community; it was the grief-stricken flailing of people who > knew it could have been them, or their friends, or their brothers or sons. Whatever it was, > it was met with force. > > On Monday morning, Sultan went back to Ferguson, where she witnessed citizens cleaning > up debris from the night before. Some were shocked by the violence; others said that theybd > been backed against a wall, forced into necessary evil. Sultan interviewed an 11-year-old boy > about the rioting. "It seems like police are about to go to war with the people," he said. > > > On Monday night, police again took the streets as demonstrators again marched in > nonviolent protest, holding their hands high. Police again fired rubber bullets and tear > gas, and again blocked off the main streets, not allowing anyone in or out. Police were > photographed sweeping into side streets, and pointing guns over fences into backyards. > It spilled over into today. They ran helicopters and drones over all of it; they shot tear > gas; they ran up on citizens with guns drawn. > > > > > "Return to your homes," they yelled over megaphones. > > "This is our home," the people of Ferguson answered. There wasnbt--there isnbt--much more to say. > > > > > > > AndSoItGoes, > - - - - - - - - - > simonM > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2014 13:28:24 -0700 > From: Catherine McKay > Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #1091 > > It's not a stupid question at all, and I'm surprised no one has responded yet, > but there ya go! It's hard for me to distinguish between her voice (as in > vocal abilities/range) affect me and where her voice (what she has to say, how > it affects me) > > However, in terms of her vocal ability, I think the two that > affect me most are the "Mingus" voice and the "DJRD" voice, and I think it's > because these are two albums I didn't get until much later. For some reason, I > wasn't listening to Joni at the time those two came out, so I never bought > either of them until maybe 15 years ago. I guess by this point I had already > heard the older Joni voice, so these two, when I heard them, really blew me > away. From DJRD, it was particularly the song "Cotton Avenue" that affected > me. > > However, you have mentioned "For the roses" which, in many ways, is one > of my favourites. It came as quite a departure from Joni's earlier albums, in > my mind, AND it was the first album where a songbook came out that actually > used her real tunings, and therefore the first time I was able to learn to > play them as Joni played them, and the album has remained one of my favourites > all along. > > > > ________________________________ > From: Jim Mcmeans > > To: "joni@smoe.org" > Sent: Friday, > August 15, 2014 11:29:50 PM > Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #1091 > > > Ok joni > fans. This is a tough one, but....what do you think is Joni's best albums > vocally? Where her voice just penetrates your soul (the most). Yes, I know, > stupid question, but I lean toward "for the roses". > > Sent from my iPhone > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2014 16:33:52 -0600 > From: Lori Renee Fye > Subject: A little hint about posts on the JMDL > > I'm not marking this N*JC on purpose because I'd like for everyone to see > it. > > When replying to a digest post, if you can edit the subject to either > reference the original subject or create an entirely new subject it will > help a lot in terms of getting your post noticed. > > I tend to skip over a lot of the posts that begin with "Re: JMDL Digest > V2014 # ..." and if I do it then I'm pretty sure that others do the same > thing. > > I know a lot of people are posting from their mobile devices and it may be > difficult to edit a subject. In that case I'd suggest just creating a > brand new post with an appropriate subject. > > Happy posting! > > Lori > Caldwell, Idaho > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2014 06:19:32 -0700 > From: Bob Muller > Subject: Joni's best album - vocally. > > what do you think is Joni's best albums vocally? > > > From a technical singing perspective, I vote for Mingus. From an emoting perspective, I would say Blue. > > Bob > > NP: Led Zeppelin, "The Girl I Love She Got Long" > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2014 15:03:42 -0700 > From: Catherine McKay > Subject: Re: The windfall (Everything for Nothing) > > True, and what I always heard, and yet I like Dave's version too. Still, imagine being rich enough to buy your housekeeper a car! Or, for that matter, being rich enough to HAVE a housekeeper. > > > > ________________________________ > From: Lori Renee Fye > To: Susan E. McNamara > Cc: Dave Blackburn ; Marianne Rizzo ; JMDL JMDL > Sent: Saturday, August 9, 2014 2:18:05 PM > Subject: Re: The windfall (Everything for Nothing) > > > > > >> This may be a mondegreen but I always thought that >> line was "because Elvis gave 'em cars, you think I'm >> cheap!" > > That's the line printed in the lyrics. > > Lori > Caldwell, Idaho > > ------------------------------ > > End of JMDL Digest V2014 #1097 > ****************************** > > ------- > To post messages to the list,sendtojoni@smoe.org. > Unsubscribe by clicking here: > mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe > ------- ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2014 #1123 ****************************** ------- To post messages to the list,sendtojoni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------