From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2014 #1017 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe:mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website:http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, July 31 2014 Volume 2014 : Number 1017 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Jonifests are quite fun without Joni [Anita Gabrielle ] Re: Laurie now 2015 fest [Anita Gabrielle ] Re: Laurie now 2015 fest ["Susan E. McNamara" ] Jonifests are quite fun without Joni [Oddmund Kaarevik Subject: Re: Jonifests are quite fun without Joni Oddmund, our posts crossed. There is much wisdom in what you say, but I don't feel that Joni operates towards us fans out of any sense of obligation. I do believe in the moment of meeting her she deeply cares for us. However, the "feeding" you describe is a great image and, I think, a true one. How does a human being maintain their own space and energy when so many have been profoundly and deeply touched by your art? I have a feeling Joni likes to have great fun. Maybe hanging out at Fest might not feel like fun to her - so I am with you on this. Just meeting and being with each other at a Fest is fabulous! I may have been blessed to meet Joni at Ruby Lake (and, yes,thank her) but meeting you, dear Oddmund at Holycombe, was an absolute blessing,too! Much love Anita x > On 31 Jul 2014, at 08:43, Oddmund Kaarevik wrote: > > I don't see it at realistic at all that Joni would attend a Joni fest. > I wouldn't either if I was her. > I feel it would be the same feeling like being Jesus or something - > with hundreds to feed. And you can say many things about Joni, but she is > not Jesus. > > We like Joni. > I personally think her music is some of the most brilliant > stuff ever made. But I don't know her. And I'm not even sure if > I like her, as a person. She strikes me as quite harsh and negative, > quite often. Towards so many things and people around her in the world. > When that is said - I kind of like that too. In some interview she said > told about when she learn > what happens when you tell the truth. > > // taken from interview with Mojo 2008 / pasted from Les Irvin's fantastic > website (http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=1834&from=search) > > Mojo: You mention truth a lot when talking about your music. Can you look > back to see where truth became an important quality for you? > > Joni: I was a little girl at church and the minister told this this sermon, > I think it was his first one at our church. The minister before was very > safe and non-political and uninspiring. The new minister chose "Thou shalt > not steal" as his first sermon. There had been this story around town about > a woman who was collecting for charity and some of the money disappeared. > The rumour went around that she took it and even though no one ever proved > she took it, people started treating her differently. It was like this > lynch mob. Into that climate came this new minister and he started his > sermon with the normal interpretation of "Thou shalt not steal" and it was > pretty boring. But all of a sudden, he says there are other ways you can > steal besides stealing material things. He said you can steal a person's > reputation and the congregation began to cough and squirm, really irritable > like he hit a nerve. I was delighted, but the end of the story is next week > half the congregation stayed home. > > Mojo: What did you learn from that? > > Joni: I learned that tell the truth and you'll have half a house, but that > it's worth it. // > > Now, I do know that some of you have met her. > Because of several reasons. Some of you have done her great favours that > I guess she felt had to be repaid in at least a personal meeting. > Some of you have met her these rare occasions were she invites > a handful of random, but loyal fans. > Some part of me would also like to meet her. > I guess when someone have given us something - we would like to > give something in return. At least say "thank you." And I hear she is often > very graceful in those situations. Which is nice to hear. > But if there is one thing to say about Joni Mitchell - than there is that > she > is not compromising. She does everything. Her way. Always. > And so - I am afraid Dave Blackburn is right. Don't hold your breath for > Joni. > > But is Joni really that important for a Jonifest? Isn't it much more fun to > meet up with fun Joni fans. And sing tunes together. And listen to great > singers of Joni tunes. I promise you the atmosphere would be far more > relaxed without Joni there. And enjoyable. > > That's just my take. > And I am not saying this to insult anyone. > So I hope you're not insulted. Because that is not my case at all. > And I am not going further into personal discussions about this - if that > is the case- > If anybody is insulted I offer my apologies. I just wanted to say this. > It is just my personak take. My norwegian take. I am not american. I am not > canadian. > And maybe I'm wrong. Maybe Joni has come to a stage in her life where > she loves to meet her fans. I am sure she appreciate us- at some level, > like all artist do. At least that is my my hope. > > Love - > Oddmund, Norway ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 09:49:04 +0200 From: Ingrid Lochrenberg Subject: To Virginia. .....njc I would imagine it is just a matter of asking nicely.....( I will be addressing a post to Joni here sometime)....why not do that as well? Sent from my Windows Phone ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 08:44:51 +0100 From: Anita Gabrielle Subject: Re: Laurie now 2015 fest Do you mean, Dave, you didn't ask her to "Hejira" last November and May? Surely you didn't give up? I am of the belief that Joni would probably be more inclined to attend a pool competition,(if we provided a juke box) than almost anything that involves her listening to others perform her music, (Toronto last year being the fabulous exception). JoniFests are still the best places to be, though. Hanging out and enjoying each other. I am with you,Dave, on this. I wouldn't hold my breath about Joni coming along. She's probably enjoying her dogs, painting, smoking and being with friends and family. How I'd love to be proved wrong and there's never any harm in asking her! Anita > On 30 Jul 2014, at 23:00, Dave Blackburn wrote: > > I certainly invited her to Idyllwild fest 2009, as well as our 2011 Blue/Court and Spark concert with Max Bennett. I wouldnbt hold your breath that shebd come! > > >> On Jul 30, 2014, at 12:46 PM, Susan E. McNamara wrote: >> >> I need to meditate on this one. My grandiose thinking always gets me in trouble, but I think it would be worth a try to finally invite Joni to a Jonifest, and it would be a good idea to make the venue either LA or BC, to make it easier for her. Hey, you don't get if you don't ask!!! :-) >> >> Susan Tierney McNamara >> email: sem8@cornell.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 11:53:38 +0000 From: "Susan E. McNamara" Subject: Re: Laurie now 2015 fest Of course! It's all a dream I have awake! :-) Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 30, 2014, at 6:01 PM, "Dave Blackburn" wrote: > > I certainly invited her to Idyllwild fest 2009, as well as our 2011 Blue/Court and Spark concert with Max Bennett. I wouldnt hold your breath that shed come! > > >> On Jul 30, 2014, at 12:46 PM, Susan E. McNamara wrote: >> >> I need to meditate on this one. My grandiose thinking always gets me in trouble, but I think it would be worth a try to finally invite Joni to a Jonifest, and it would be a good idea to make the venue either LA or BC, to make it easier for her. Hey, you don't get if you don't ask!!! :-) >> >> Susan Tierney McNamara >> email: sem8@cornell.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 09:43:52 +0200 From: Oddmund Kaarevik Subject: Jonifests are quite fun without Joni I don't see it at realistic at all that Joni would attend a Joni fest. I wouldn't either if I was her. I feel it would be the same feeling like being Jesus or something - with hundreds to feed. And you can say many things about Joni, but she is not Jesus. We like Joni. I personally think her music is some of the most brilliant stuff ever made. But I don't know her. And I'm not even sure if I like her, as a person. She strikes me as quite harsh and negative, quite often. Towards so many things and people around her in the world. When that is said - I kind of like that too. In some interview she said told about when she learn what happens when you tell the truth. // taken from interview with Mojo 2008 / pasted from Les Irvin's fantastic website (http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=1834&from=search) Mojo: You mention truth a lot when talking about your music. Can you look back to see where truth became an important quality for you? Joni: I was a little girl at church and the minister told this this sermon, I think it was his first one at our church. The minister before was very safe and non-political and uninspiring. The new minister chose "Thou shalt not steal" as his first sermon. There had been this story around town about a woman who was collecting for charity and some of the money disappeared. The rumour went around that she took it and even though no one ever proved she took it, people started treating her differently. It was like this lynch mob. Into that climate came this new minister and he started his sermon with the normal interpretation of "Thou shalt not steal" and it was pretty boring. But all of a sudden, he says there are other ways you can steal besides stealing material things. He said you can steal a person's reputation and the congregation began to cough and squirm, really irritable like he hit a nerve. I was delighted, but the end of the story is next week half the congregation stayed home. Mojo: What did you learn from that? Joni: I learned that tell the truth and you'll have half a house, but that it's worth it. // Now, I do know that some of you have met her. Because of several reasons. Some of you have done her great favours that I guess she felt had to be repaid in at least a personal meeting. Some of you have met her these rare occasions were she invites a handful of random, but loyal fans. Some part of me would also like to meet her. I guess when someone have given us something - we would like to give something in return. At least say "thank you." And I hear she is often very graceful in those situations. Which is nice to hear. But if there is one thing to say about Joni Mitchell - than there is that she is not compromising. She does everything. Her way. Always. And so - I am afraid Dave Blackburn is right. Don't hold your breath for Joni. But is Joni really that important for a Jonifest? Isn't it much more fun to meet up with fun Joni fans. And sing tunes together. And listen to great singers of Joni tunes. I promise you the atmosphere would be far more relaxed without Joni there. And enjoyable. That's just my take. And I am not saying this to insult anyone. So I hope you're not insulted. Because that is not my case at all. And I am not going further into personal discussions about this - if that is the case- If anybody is insulted I offer my apologies. I just wanted to say this. It is just my personak take. My norwegian take. I am not american. I am not canadian. And maybe I'm wrong. Maybe Joni has come to a stage in her life where she loves to meet her fans. I am sure she appreciate us- at some level, like all artist do. At least that is my my hope. Love - Oddmund, Norway ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2014 09:46:31 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Joni mention in Boston Globe review Thanks Michael - I read a positive review of that book as well this weekend as well...wasn't sure if there was JC in a book about the history of "Pop" music. I'm in the market for a new read - this might be the one. Bob NP: Sharon Jones & The Dap Kings, "You'll Be Lonely" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. 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