From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2013 #909 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe:mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website:http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, June 28 2013 Volume 2013 : Number 909 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: elusive instrument used by Joni on Taming the Tiger album and 1998 Painting with words and music, and concert in Bethal NY [] Re: The Interview / feminism [Laura Stanley ] elusive instrument used by Joni on Taming the Tiger album and 1998 Painting with words and music, and concert in Bethal NY [] Re: The Interview / feminism [Shari Eaton ] Re: The Interview / feminism [Catherine McKay ] Re: Mad Men BSN [Betsy Blue ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 10:49:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: elusive instrument used by Joni on Taming the Tiger album and 1998 Painting with words and music, and concert in Bethal NY Josh, It's a Parker fly guitar, designed for her by the late Fred Walecki. It's lightweight and works in consort with a synthesizer type of gizmo that holds all her guitar tunings so that she can change tunings with a simple switch of a pedal. Bob ________________________________ From: Josh Eubank To: joni@smoe.org Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 1:30 PM Subject: elusive instrument used by Joni on Taming the Tiger album and 1998 Painting with words and music, and concert in Bethal NY List, I have been trying to figure this out for years. I have the 1998 concert called Painting with words and music. In it, Joni uses an instrument that I've never heard before. I always just assumed it was a guitar but a friend of mine thinks it's a mandelin although I don't think so. I'm blind, and have been since birth, so I'm really in tune with sound. Whatever this instrument is, I am trying to find it, I really want to see it. So I guess the question for anyone on this list, is what kind of instrument is this. Is it really a mandolin? It doesn't sound like one but I supposed my friend could be right. If it is a guitar, any idea what kind and if it is still made today? I am on the hunt to find this thing hopefully at a local guitar store here in town if possible. Thanks to all for any help, really appreciate it. Josh ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 12:45:17 -0500 From: Laura Stanley Subject: Re: The Interview / feminism Hi Kate, I don't interpret Joni not being a feminist with being anti-feminist. It seems to me that she is not limited to feminism even though she probably agrees with some feminist ideas. Love, Laura Sent from my iPhone On Jun 27, 2013, at 6:26 PM, Kate Johnson wrote: > Her statements about feminism bothered me too, Ange. > I don't agree with her anti-feminist beliefs. > I liked, however, what she said about going toe-to-toe with each man in her > life instead of getting "political" about it; that makes sense to me, that we > have to be feminists in our personal lives and deal with each individual > individually. But "the personal is political" is another statement (not > Joan's) I agree with; perhaps for her there is a bigger, starker divide > between the personal and the political/public, since her experience of the two > is so widely different than it is for someone like me, who has never been in > the public eye. > > She's got a lot of wisdom, our Joan, so I try to remain open-minded to what > she says, and think about it a while even if my internal jury remains out. > But sometimes she is a little ... hm ... sometimes I just don't agree with > her. > It sounds to me as if she equates feminism with some radical, hostile, > man-hating, man-imitating movement. Was feminism like that once upon a time? > Some of it was. And perhaps Joni has lost interest in following feminism as it > has changed from the sixties till now. > > Kate in Sask > > > > > > b?b > 1b.b?b > 1b.b?b > 1b. > Stubblejumpin'Gal > http://goldengrainfarm.blogspot.com > > Follow me on Twitter, which I don't usually remember to update (in spite of > good intentions): > https://twitter.com/#!/blondiblathers ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 13:30:23 -0400 From: Josh Eubank Subject: elusive instrument used by Joni on Taming the Tiger album and 1998 Painting with words and music, and concert in Bethal NY List, I have been trying to figure this out for years. I have the 1998 concert called Painting with words and music. In it, Joni uses an instrument that I've never heard before. I always just assumed it was a guitar but a friend of mine thinks it's a mandelin although I don't think so. I'm blind, and have been since birth, so I'm really in tune with sound. Whatever this instrument is, I am trying to find it, I really want to see it. So I guess the question for anyone on this list, is what kind of instrument is this. Is it really a mandolin? It doesn't sound like one but I supposed my friend could be right. If it is a guitar, any idea what kind and if it is still made today? I am on the hunt to find this thing hopefully at a local guitar store here in town if possible. Thanks to all for any help, really appreciate it. Josh ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 11:03:14 -0700 From: Shari Eaton Subject: Re: The Interview / feminism She's a freedom freak. No labeling Ms. Joan. If she were going to join a movement she'd have to be the originator of it first. Sent from my Pimped-out Flying Carpet On Jun 28, 2013, at 10:45 AM, Laura Stanley wrote: > Hi Kate, > > I don't interpret Joni not being a feminist with being anti-feminist. It seems to me that she is not limited to feminism even though she probably agrees with some feminist ideas. > > Love, > Laura > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 27, 2013, at 6:26 PM, Kate Johnson wrote: > >> Her statements about feminism bothered me too, Ange. >> I don't agree with her anti-feminist beliefs. >> I liked, however, what she said about going toe-to-toe with each man in her >> life instead of getting "political" about it; that makes sense to me, that we >> have to be feminists in our personal lives and deal with each individual >> individually. But "the personal is political" is another statement (not >> Joan's) I agree with; perhaps for her there is a bigger, starker divide >> between the personal and the political/public, since her experience of the two >> is so widely different than it is for someone like me, who has never been in >> the public eye. >> >> She's got a lot of wisdom, our Joan, so I try to remain open-minded to what >> she says, and think about it a while even if my internal jury remains out. >> But sometimes she is a little ... hm ... sometimes I just don't agree with >> her. >> It sounds to me as if she equates feminism with some radical, hostile, >> man-hating, man-imitating movement. Was feminism like that once upon a time? >> Some of it was. And perhaps Joni has lost interest in following feminism as it >> has changed from the sixties till now. >> >> Kate in Sask >> >> >> >> >> >> b?b >> 1b.b?b >> 1b.b?b >> 1b. >> Stubblejumpin'Gal >> http://goldengrainfarm.blogspot.com >> >> Follow me on Twitter, which I don't usually remember to update (in spite of >> good intentions): >> https://twitter.com/#!/blondiblathers ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 06:35:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: The Interview / feminism I think it's one of those cases of her having had to fight her own battles and wondering why other people (women) can't just do this on their own too. I've met women like that and I guess I understand it on some level, but it still bothers me. My former boss didn't think women should get longer maternity leaves or daycare subsidies because she had her child earlier when these things didn't exist, and therefore didn't think other women (or men, for that matter) should get any more than she did. (We have a very good parental leave here in Canada, and it's better than it was when I had my kids, which was still better than it was when she had hers, but I applaud it and see it as an investment in the future: be good to your kids and they'll be good to you when you get old.) Likewise, especially if many of Joni's friends are men, she probably did get the idea that being a feminist naturally means you hate men. (I'm sure she heard that, in jest or not, from her male friends.) Most of us recognize that that's untrue, but something that a lot of men, particularly white men, and particularly those who don't get it (the ones who think that affirmative action means the person who belongs to a minority is going to "take" the job of a white, straight, etc. male, simply because they're not a white, straight, etc. male, or the ones who believe that "immigrants are taking our jobs," when they wouldn't touch a lot of those jobs with a ten-foot pole.) She probably imagines bra-burning, male-bashing harpies sending their male children off to internment camps once they stopped being cute. >________________________________ > From: Ange T >To: Kate Johnson ; "joni@smoe.org" >Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 1:55:34 AM >Subject: Re: The Interview / feminism > > >Heya Kate in Sask! >The reason I shared the blog post (written by Meghan Murphy) about >feminism/Joni is that I found some of the points it raised, particularly >about double standards in the music industry relating to Bob Dylan, really >fascinating. Given everything Joni has had to fight for in the music >business, and given her public comments about her struggle, I think it's >fair to say she is a feminist who just refuses to be called a feminist :) > >Sending you sunshine from Oz >Ange >P.S. For those of you who missed the blog link - here it is again: >http://feministcurrent.com/7738/why-joni-mitchells-rejection-of-feminism-brok >e-my-heart-a-little-and-why-im-tired-of-talking-about-beyonce/ > > >On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 9:26 AM, Kate Johnson wrote: > >> Her statements about feminism bothered me too, Ange. >> I don't agree with her anti-feminist beliefs. >> I liked, however, what she said about going toe-to-toe with each man in >> her life instead of getting "political" about it; that makes sense to me, >> that we have to be feminists in our personal lives and deal with each >> individual individually. But "the personal is political" is another >> statement (not Joan's) I agree with; perhaps for her there is a bigger, >> starker divide between the personal and the political/public, since her >> experience of the two is so widely different than it is for someone like >> me, who has never been in the public eye. >> >> She's got a lot of wisdom, our Joan, so I try to remain open-minded to >> what she says, and think about it a while even if my internal jury remains >> out. >> But sometimes she is a little ... hm ... sometimes I just don't agree with >> her. >> It sounds to me as if she equates feminism with some radical, hostile, >> man-hating, man-imitating movement. Was feminism like that once upon a >> time? >> Some of it was. And perhaps Joni has lost interest in following feminism >> as it has changed from the sixties till now. >> >> Kate in Sask >> >> >> >> >> >> b?b >1b.****b?b >1b.b?b >1b. >> **** >> Stubblejumpin'Gal >> http://goldengrainfarm.blogspot.com >> >> Follow me on Twitter, which I don't usually remember to update (in spite >> of good intentions): >> https://twitter.com/#!/blondiblathers ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 15:27:36 -0700 From: Betsy Blue Subject: Re: Mad Men BSN Brian wrote: Cheesy as Judy's arrangement sounds to today's ears, it was in fact the 'bait' that grabbed me You're right. The fact that it is dated is actually a pro for a period piece. Joni's own version would have been an anachronism. But I was delighted to see a comment on facebook from someone of my generation asking "Who was covering that Joni Mitchell song?" I'm hoping for California next season! Betsy ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2013 #909 ***************************** ------- To post messages to the list, sendtojoni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------