From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2013 #894 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe:mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website:http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, June 27 2013 Volume 2013 : Number 894 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: Hejira pronunciation [Barbara Sullivan ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 17:50:41 -0400 From: Barbara Sullivan Subject: RE: Hejira pronunciation I have always called it" ha'-ji'-ra' " ...My ex hubbin's name was Ira..(Jewish). Anyway, that is how I have always pronounced it..I kinda liked seeing his name in the title. And I think it means journey?? Maybe I am thinking of something else. Ada > Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 10:30:14 -0700 > From: anima_rising@yahoo.ca > Subject: Re: Hejira pronunciation > To: nyro_in_detroit@comcast.net; sem8@cornell.edu > CC: joni@smoe.org > > Thanks, Gary. > > I am struck by how good Joni looks in this video. 1998 was > fifteen years ago, so she was 54-55. I think she looks much younger here, but > maybe they're using gauzy filters. But, some people stay youthful looking for > a long time and then suddenly, almost overnight, start looking their age. > Although I think Joni now looks her age, I hope to look that good or to have > that kind of energy at 70, if I live that long. > > The use of table lamps is > also interesting, because they were used on stage at Massey Hall, along with > some other living-room type furniture (sofas on the side of the stage for the > singers if they wanted to stay on stage, carpets on the floor, chandeliers > hanging from the ceiling with drapes behind. It gave the place a sort of homey > feel. I guess that was Joni's idea. > > > > > > >________________________________ > > > From: Gary Z. > >To: Susan E. McNamara > > >Cc: "joni@smoe.org" ; > "onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org" > >Sent: Thursday, June > 27, 2013 11:12:09 AM > >Subject: Re: Hejira pronunciation > > > > > >Hi Sue, > > > >Here's a video where Joni talks about Hejira (from "Painting with Words > >and > Music"). > > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IA6HGN1crNU > > > >Best, > > > >Gary Z. > >Detroit > > > >Susan E. McNamara wrote: > >> Wow, Bob, this brings me on a quest to > find a video interview where she > >> pronounces it. It must be in Woman of > Heart and Mind at least. Not sure. I > >> was also reminded of the word Haj - > another word describing the holy > >> pilgrimage to Mecca. > >> > >> Susan Tierney > McNamara > >> email: sem8@cornell.edu > >> > >> From: > Robert Sartorius [mailto:bobsart48@aol.com] > >> Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 > 9:49 PM > >> To: joni@smoe.org; onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org > >> Cc: Susan E. > McNamara > >> Subject: RE: Hejira pronunciation > >> > >> > >> Sue stated: > >> > >> > >> > >> > "I've always pronounced it Heh-jeer-a ... and I think that's the way Joni > >> > pronounces it. I've heard many variations so I go with the way she says it." > >> > >> > >> > >> I think that's how Joni pronounces it, too, but I cannot pinpoint > where I came > >> to that conclusion. Can anyone else confirm? As "widely known" > here on the > >> list, the word does not appear in the song's lyrics - just the > title. > >> > >> > >> > >> My "bible" (er, dictionary) has been the Random House > Unabridged. I own the > >> second Edition, which is copyrighted in 1987, and so > is now 26 years > >> out-of-date. Still, it is a magnificent tome, with > exquisite dissertations on > >> nuances of related words, to answer essentially > every question that has ever > >> come up in my conversations. > >> > >> > >> > >> Said > "bible", inexplicably, does not list as one of its definitions (u.c., > >> > natch) "a masterpiece album and song by Joni Mitchell". > >> > >> > >> > >> They > define(d) it as "hegira - def. 2", with a preferred pronunciation of " hi > >> > JEYE ruh" (i.e., short i in first syllable, long I in second syllable, > >> > accented). This is the pronunciation that I have used since I first "looked > >> it up".The alternate pronunciation is "HEJ uhr uh", short e in first > syllable, > >> accent on first syllable. The pronunciation of Hegira is the > same. > >> > >> > >> > >> The primary definition under Hegira (also, hejira) is > "Islam. Hijra". The > >> second definition is "any flight or journey to a more > desirable or congenial > >> place". > >> > >> > >> > >> Hijra (HIJ ruh) short i in first > syllable, accent on first syllable, in turn, > >> is 1. The flight of > Muhammad from Mecca to Medina to escape persecution A.D. > >> 622, regarded as > the beginning of the Muslim Era. 2. The Muslim Era itself. > >> Also, Hegira, > Hijrah (the latter of which is suggested as the Arabic source > >> word). > >> > >> > >> > >> The Muslim Era is defined as the period since the flight of Muhammad > from > >> Mecca in AD 622 - also known as Hijra. > >> > >> > >> > >> Of course, similar > loops could be constructed from any other dictionary, with > >> numerous > variations, no doubt. And, with the increase in the frequency of > >> usage of > Islamic terms in written and spoken English over the past 26 years, > >> there > has no doubt been some evolution since then. > >> > >> > >> > >> If this were Joni's > name, I would argue that she gets to make the call. [For > >> example, my > wife's maiden name is Rosenbaum, and she pronounces the last > >> syllable as > "bomb" - which, it has been decreed, is her prerogative ;-)] But > >> Joni > admits she stole her title from her dictionary, so it seems to me that > >> her > dictionary's pronunciation should control, no? All Joni needs to do is to > >> > produce the one she consulted in 1975, and I will be happy to change the way I > >> pronounce Hejira ;-) > >> > >> > >> > >> Bobsart ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2013 #894 ***************************** ------- To post messages to the list, sendtojoni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------