From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2013 #842 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe:mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website:http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, June 26 2013 Volume 2013 : Number 842 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Recurring Springsteen thread, njc [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: Sample of Sheila Weller's book [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2013 #835 [Clint Norwood ] Re: JMDL Digest V2013 #835 [Clint Norwood ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2013 09:05:02 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Recurring Springsteen thread, njc Not to mention his live shows which are a MAJOR EVENT in every Euro city he plays in. And I would say that he's WAY more popular than Jesus in Europe. Bob From: jlhommedieu@insight.rr.com To: JMDL Cc: Bob Muller Date: 06/26/2013 01:10 AM Subject: Recurring Springsteen thread, njc Sent by: owner-joni@smoe.org Recently, my esteemed colleague from the great state of South Carolina said that Bruce Springsteen is more popular than Jesus. No, wait. That was John Lennon. Muller said that Springsteen is more popular in Europe than in the states. Here's proof from the latest Rolling Stone, in a positive article by David Fricke, >Those (recent European) set lists were also heavily devoted to Springsteen's latest, furiously topical album, Wrecking Ball, which has sold more than half a million copies in the U.S. but nearly twice that overseas, going gold or platinum in 11 European countries.> Jim L. - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. 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Lots of new details about Joni and FOR ME a ton of detail about Carly and Carole, both of whom I'm familiar with (and I have both of the records referenced in your quote) but did not know the nitty gritty about their lives. Seems like all 3 of them had a tough time with relationships, in some cases made bad choices, in other cases couldn't make good choices work. Bob - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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Someone (sorry I am just getting to know you guys) mentioned that in the CBC interview that happened recently, that they wouldn't have been surprised to see Joni point a bony finger at the interviewer and say, "I don't like you." So it has come full circle for the artists. And then Ange in Oz makes reference to the lil' ole Wiki Furry Lewis article that I wrote/edited to let people know that Furry lived next to Beale street in the 60's and early seventies but by the time Joni arrived (Les put this date as Feb 5th, 1976) he had moved to the Mosby residence (mostly for the reasons that Joni cites, that urban renewal was bulldozing everything including Furry's Fourth St apt.) a good deal north from Beale Street. It was flattering to say the least to see Ange cite my own words so I decided to leave being just a spectator on these boards and participate. So here goes, I have a big, burning question for those who know Joni best. That is: Why does Furry Sing the Blues hold such a place in Joni that she goes back to it all of the time and what should it really mean to us? Down and Out in Memphis, Tennessee Clinton Norwood (No One) ________________________________ From: JMDL Digest To: joni-digest@smoe.org Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 2:00 AM Subject: JMDL Digest V2013 #835 JMDL Digest Tuesday, June 25 2013 Volume 2013 : Number 835 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: - -------- Mispronounced words [Betsy Blue ] Re: Squelched? [Lori Renee Fye ] Re: Questions regarding Furry Sings The Blues [Catherine McKay Subject: Mispronounced words Dave said: Joni is probably not a good source for its pronunciation having heard her way of saying "samba" and "cellulite"! Catherine added: She also says "realtors" strangely. We've had the "clandestine" discussion before too. May I please add the mystery of the 'd' in the middle of Champs Elysees? And President REEgan? Most of the odd pronunciations, I chalk up to Canadian (prairie) dialect or song fit, but those bug me. Betsy - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 19:52:44 -0600 From: Lori Renee Fye Subject: Re: Squelched? > My feeling is that people will discover her music as time > goes on with or without a Hollywood movie about Joni or > a high profile young singing sensation playing her in it. Actually, what's most likely to happen is that, when Joni passes on (and goddess forbid the thought, but ...), the Biography Channel will quickly finish up whatever it already has in the can (and you know something like that exists, as it exists for just about every performer who's made any sort of an impact) and then, suddenly, lots of people who never before had an interest in Joni's music will "discover" her. > Good musicians who know their stuff are never going to > let Joni's music fade into obscurity. Thank the goddess for that! Lori Idaho - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 20:16:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Questions regarding Furry Sings The Blues Wow! Well done, you! Either you have a very good memory, or you recorded that whole speech. My memory is absolute crap! I didn't remember most of that story until you retold it. >________________________________ > From: Scott Johnson >To: 'Catherine McKay' ; 'Ange T' ; joni@smoe.org >Sent: Monday, June 24, 2013 8:57:59 PM >Subject: RE: Questions regarding Furry Sings The Blues > > >All I can add to the "Furry" story is what prompted Joni into stealing the >badges from cops. During the Rolling Thunder Tour, every place they played, >there would be all these cops standing around. They all had bad attitudes >toward cops because of Mayor Daley and the Democratic Convention. - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 16:35:36 +1000 From: Ange T Subject: Re: Questions regarding Furry Sings The Blues There's a JMDL facebook page? I'd love to join it if you can send me the details! Thanks to everyone for their insights regarding pronunciation and the Furry story. I'll dig a little deeper online before my interview and hopefully make the JMDL proud when I talk about the song and Joni on air next week! Ange in Oz P.S. Catherine, I'd only seen her Tuesday night performance of the song so I really appreciate you sharing this clip. Loved Joni's descriptions of the decaying state of Beale Street...just wished she'd talked more about old Furry! On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 8:36 AM, Catherine McKay wrote: > Funny you should ask about the pronunciation. A few of us commented on > that on the Facebook jmdl page. The way Joni pronounces it is the way you > do, Hedge-ear-uh. Jon Pareles pronounced it Hedge-eye-ruh. If you look it > up on a dictionary, you might even find another way or two to pronounce it, > so go with the Joni pronunciation, since it's her song. > > Before Joni sang "Furry" at Massey Hall last week, she told a story about > how she had gone around whatever city she was in at the time, collecting > badges from cops, by flirting with them. She says that, when she got to > Memphis, a cop there (and she mentions he had been one of the cops present > when Martin Luther King was assassinated, or one who arrived on the scene > shortly after) wouldn't give her his badge, but instead offered to drive > her down to Beale Street, where she met Furry Lewis. > > You can hear part of this story on the Youtube link below, where she > describes what it was like on Beale Street at the time, when things were in > ruins. Unfortunately, it doesn't include the part just before that, about > getting badges from cops. Maybe someone else who was there can remember > this story better than I can and can fill in some gaps. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qhJHY05rX8 > > > > > ----- Original Message - ----- > > From: Ange T > > To: "joni@smoe.org" > > Cc: > > Sent: Monday, June 24, 2013 6:04:36 PM > > Subject: Questions regarding Furry Sings The Blues > > > > Hey listers, > > I've been asked to do an interview here in Australia on ABC radio. The > > segment is called: Something old, something new, something borrowed, > > something blue. It involves me selecting/playing songs that relate to > those > > themes. > > > > Off the back of Luminato, it seems like the obvious selection for the > > 'blue' themed song would be Furry Sings the Blues (particularly given > > that > > Joni says one of the lyrics she is most proud of is within this song). > But > > before I go on air, I'd like to ask you a couple of questions: > > > > 1. How do I pronounce Hejira? I always pronounced it as "hedge-ear-ra" > > but > > after listening to her Luminato interview, where the interviewer says > > "hedge-eye-ra", I'm now uncertain. I'm wondering if this is a > > 'you say > > tomAYto, I say tomARto' thing... or if there's a correct way of saying > > it. > > > > 2. I was researching Furry online and found this reference on wikipedia: > > > > Joni Mitchell's song, > > "Furry > > Sings the Blues", is about her visit to Furry > > Lewis' apartment and a mostly ruined Beale > > Street on > > February 5th, 1976. Lewis despised the Mitchell song and demanded she pay > > him royalties > > < > > > > Does anyone know the full story of Joni's journey to Beale Street and her > > interactions with Furry? Has she ever answered questions about his > reported > > dislike of her song? Were they friends before she wrote the song? > > > > I never heard anything disrespectful in the lyrics to that song, but now > > I'm wondering whether it's the best choice for this interview. Feel free > > to > > shed some (shadows and) light on this topic. > > > > Thanking you, > > Ange in Oz > > angetakats.com.au - ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2013 #835 ***************************** - ------- To post messages to the list, sendtojoni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe - ------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2013 06:53:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Clint Norwood Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2013 #835 Hi All and especially Ange in Oz, A month or two ago I became very interested in "Furry Sings the Blues," most specifically I was interested in the actual meeting and how it took place. It made me wish that I could hop back in my time machine when I was in kindergarten and ask my dad to look for a limo on Mosby. I had asked Les to give me access to these forums so I could see if there was any back story. I found it all terrifically interesting. But then I see that Joni has chosen that (to me very dark) song to feature in the Luminato performances and I think WOW!! That song/experience must have meant very much to her. Someone (sorry I am just getting to know you guys) mentioned that in the CBC interview that happened recently, that they wouldn't have been surprised to see Joni point a bony finger at the interviewer and say, "I don't like you." So it has come full circle for the artists. And then Ange in Oz makes reference to the lil' ole Wiki Furry Lewis article that I wrote/edited to let people know that Furry lived next to Beale street in the 60's and early seventies but by the time Joni arrived (Les put this date as Feb 5th, 1976) he had moved to the Mosby residence (mostly for the reasons that Joni cites, that urban renewal was bulldozing everything including Furry's Fourth St apt.) a good deal north from Beale Street. It was flattering to say the least to see Ange cite my own words so I decided to leave being just a spectator on these boards and participate. So here goes, I have a big, burning question for those who know Joni best. That is: Why does Furry Sing the Blues hold such a place in Joni that she goes back to it all of the time and what should it really mean to us? Down and Out in Memphis, Tennessee Clinton Norwood (No One) ________________________________ From: JMDL Digest To: joni-digest@smoe.org Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 2:00 AM Subject: JMDL Digest V2013 #835 JMDL Digest Tuesday, June 25 2013 Volume 2013 : Number 835 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: - -------- Mispronounced words [Betsy Blue ] Re: Squelched? [Lori Renee Fye ] Re: Questions regarding Furry Sings The Blues [Catherine McKay Subject: Mispronounced words Dave said: Joni is probably not a good source for its pronunciation having heard her way of saying "samba" and "cellulite"! Catherine added: She also says "realtors" strangely. We've had the "clandestine" discussion before too. May I please add the mystery of the 'd' in the middle of Champs Elysees? And President REEgan? Most of the odd pronunciations, I chalk up to Canadian (prairie) dialect or song fit, but those bug me. Betsy - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 19:52:44 -0600 From: Lori Renee Fye Subject: Re: Squelched? > My feeling is that people will discover her music as time > goes on with or without a Hollywood movie about Joni or > a high profile young singing sensation playing her in it. Actually, what's most likely to happen is that, when Joni passes on (and goddess forbid the thought, but ...), the Biography Channel will quickly finish up whatever it already has in the can (and you know something like that exists, as it exists for just about every performer who's made any sort of an impact) and then, suddenly, lots of people who never before had an interest in Joni's music will "discover" her. > Good musicians who know their stuff are never going to > let Joni's music fade into obscurity. Thank the goddess for that! Lori Idaho - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 20:16:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Questions regarding Furry Sings The Blues Wow! Well done, you! Either you have a very good memory, or you recorded that whole speech. My memory is absolute crap! I didn't remember most of that story until you retold it. >________________________________ > From: Scott Johnson >To: 'Catherine McKay' ; 'Ange T' ; joni@smoe.org >Sent: Monday, June 24, 2013 8:57:59 PM >Subject: RE: Questions regarding Furry Sings The Blues > > >All I can add to the "Furry" story is what prompted Joni into stealing the >badges from cops. During the Rolling Thunder Tour, every place they played, >there would be all these cops standing around. They all had bad attitudes >toward cops because of Mayor Daley and the Democratic Convention. - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 16:35:36 +1000 From: Ange T Subject: Re: Questions regarding Furry Sings The Blues There's a JMDL facebook page? I'd love to join it if you can send me the details! Thanks to everyone for their insights regarding pronunciation and the Furry story. I'll dig a little deeper online before my interview and hopefully make the JMDL proud when I talk about the song and Joni on air next week! Ange in Oz P.S. Catherine, I'd only seen her Tuesday night performance of the song so I really appreciate you sharing this clip. Loved Joni's descriptions of the decaying state of Beale Street...just wished she'd talked more about old Furry! On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 8:36 AM, Catherine McKay wrote: > Funny you should ask about the pronunciation. A few of us commented on > that on the Facebook jmdl page. The way Joni pronounces it is the way you > do, Hedge-ear-uh. Jon Pareles pronounced it Hedge-eye-ruh. If you look it > up on a dictionary, you might even find another way or two to pronounce it, > so go with the Joni pronunciation, since it's her song. > > Before Joni sang "Furry" at Massey Hall last week, she told a story about > how she had gone around whatever city she was in at the time, collecting > badges from cops, by flirting with them. She says that, when she got to > Memphis, a cop there (and she mentions he had been one of the cops present > when Martin Luther King was assassinated, or one who arrived on the scene > shortly after) wouldn't give her his badge, but instead offered to drive > her down to Beale Street, where she met Furry Lewis. > > You can hear part of this story on the Youtube link below, where she > describes what it was like on Beale Street at the time, when things were in > ruins. Unfortunately, it doesn't include the part just before that, about > getting badges from cops. Maybe someone else who was there can remember > this story better than I can and can fill in some gaps. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qhJHY05rX8 > > > > > ----- Original Message - ----- > > From: Ange T > > To: "joni@smoe.org" > > Cc: > > Sent: Monday, June 24, 2013 6:04:36 PM > > Subject: Questions regarding Furry Sings The Blues > > > > Hey listers, > > I've been asked to do an interview here in Australia on ABC radio. The > > segment is called: Something old, something new, something borrowed, > > something blue. It involves me selecting/playing songs that relate to > those > > themes. > > > > Off the back of Luminato, it seems like the obvious selection for the > > 'blue' themed song would be Furry Sings the Blues (particularly given > > that > > Joni says one of the lyrics she is most proud of is within this song). > But > > before I go on air, I'd like to ask you a couple of questions: > > > > 1. How do I pronounce Hejira? I always pronounced it as "hedge-ear-ra" > > but > > after listening to her Luminato interview, where the interviewer says > > "hedge-eye-ra", I'm now uncertain. I'm wondering if this is a > > 'you say > > tomAYto, I say tomARto' thing... or if there's a correct way of saying > > it. > > > > 2. I was researching Furry online and found this reference on wikipedia: > > > > Joni Mitchell's song, > > "Furry > > Sings the Blues", is about her visit to Furry > > Lewis' apartment and a mostly ruined Beale > > Street on > > February 5th, 1976. Lewis despised the Mitchell song and demanded she pay > > him royalties > > < > > > > Does anyone know the full story of Joni's journey to Beale Street and her > > interactions with Furry? Has she ever answered questions about his > reported > > dislike of her song? Were they friends before she wrote the song? > > > > I never heard anything disrespectful in the lyrics to that song, but now > > I'm wondering whether it's the best choice for this interview. Feel free > > to > > shed some (shadows and) light on this topic. > > > > Thanking you, > > Ange in Oz > > angetakats.com.au - ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2013 #835 ***************************** - ------- To post messages to the list, sendtojoni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe - ------- ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2013 #842 ***************************** ------- To post messages to the list, sendtojoni@smoe.org. 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