From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2013 #841 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe:mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website:http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, June 26 2013 Volume 2013 : Number 841 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Questions regarding Furry Sings The Blues, Joni's pronunciation (NJC) [Ange T ] Re: pronunciations [Bob Muller ] Re: pronunciations ["Paul Ivice" ] Re: VIDEO: Joni: The Creative Odyssey of Joni Mitchell [Shari Eaton ] New Library item: Behind the scenes with Joni Mitchell at Luminato Festival 2013 [TheStaff@JoniMit] RE: Questions regarding Furry Sings The Blues ["Scott Johnson" ] Recurring Springsteen thread, njc [jlhommedieu@insight.rr.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2013 07:43:12 +1000 From: Ange T Subject: Re: Questions regarding Furry Sings The Blues, Joni's pronunciation (NJC) One thing that makes me cringe down here in Australia is the way some singers put on a Crocodile-Hunter-style accent when they sing - and yet, when interviewed, their vowels have absolutely no Aussie-twang! Maybe I'm just unpatriotic ... or I've listened to too much Americana folk music. Ha! On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 11:17 PM, Catherine McKay wrote: > with Champs Elysees, just use a z sound instead of the d sound as Joni > sings it. No need to try to sound French. And speaking of "ain't", I've > always found it weird that people who don't say "ain't" use it in song > lyrics. Similarly, people who wouldn't say "walkin' and talkin'" in speech > will sing that way with no problem. That's one of the strange things about > the popular song! I'm not talking about taking a song that someone else > wrote and correcting the English (although that could be hilarious), but > about people that gots a good eddication, who write their own songs and > suddenly start soundin' like they ain't had much schoolin'. > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Laura Stanley > *To:* Dave Blackburn > *Cc:* Ange T ; "joni@smoe.org" > > *Sent:* Tuesday, June 25, 2013 8:25:37 AM > *Subject:* Re: Questions regarding Furry Sings The Blues, Joni's > pronunciation > > > In preparation to perform Free Man in Paris at the Jonifest in 2003, I > asked a French friend to help me with the pronunciation of Champs > ElysC)es. It ain't the same as in the song. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 21:11:22 +0000 From: "Susan E. McNamara" Subject: RE: Luminato audio re-broadcast Interesting! There was A LOT of energy on Tuesday night, even though Herbie was not there. Cool! Susan Tierney McNamara email: sem8@cornell.edu - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Les Irvin Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 4:48 PM To: Joni List Subject: Luminato audio re-broadcast Joniphiles - According to the Luminato PR co-ordinator, last Tuesday evening's event with Joni is being broadcast on CBC Radio in 2 parts - on July 1 and July 8. She "believes" that this will be entirely the Tuesday night performance. More if I hear more.... Thanks, Les ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 16:07:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: pronunciations Negative. It's a discussion list and everything is worthy of discussion, especially topics involving Joni. Besides, I seem to recall you making a big to-do over the "clandestine" issue way back when so you're in your glass house throwing stones here, Paul. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 23:15:01 +0000 From: "Paul Ivice" Subject: Re: pronunciations Perhaps what I should have said is that I don't think any of Joni's so-called mispronunciations are aacidental., but are for artistic effect and, thus, should not be considered "wrong," but merely odd, strange or unusual. Sent from my Droid Charge on Verizon 4G LTE - ------Original Message------ From: Bob Muller To: "Paul Ivice" ,"JMDL" Date: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 4:07:47 PM GMT-0700 Subject: Re: pronunciations B Negative. It's a discussion list and everything is worthy of discussion, especially topics involving Joni. Besides, I seem to recall you making a big to-do over the "clandestine" issue way back when so you're in your glass house throwing stones here, Paul. B Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 21:39:18 -0700 From: Shari Eaton Subject: Re: VIDEO: Joni: The Creative Odyssey of Joni Mitchell Hi Laura, This was a great listen for a few reasons  It answers what was unanswerable to me beforehow could anyone, aware of her work, not be a Joni fan? I think my Mom hears Joni the same way this writer did.  There's more depth to Joni's writing than I knew of. More to explore! Thank you so much for the link. Shari On Jun 23, 2013, at 10:27 AM, est86mlm@ameritech.net wrote: > Ran across this very thought-provoking interview with Katherine Monk. > > http://www.cbc.ca/player/Radio/Local+Shows/British+Columbia/Radio+West/ID/228 9036482/?page=14 > > Laura ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 16:26:50 -0600 (MDT) From: TheStaff@JoniMitchell.com Subject: New Library item: Sandra Bernhard: Still Outrageous After All These Years Title: Sandra Bernhard: Still Outrageous After All These Years Publication: Times Square Chronicles Date: 2013.3.12 http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=2610 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 22:51:34 -0400 From: jlhommedieu@insight.rr.com Subject: Sample of Sheila Weller's book "The album, which went platinum, gave Carly a Top 10 hit with the bouncy, torch, loving You Belong To Me, which she cowrote with Michael McDonald, and which, like so many of her songs - including another on the album, In A Small Moment(and In Times When My Head, in the previous one) - was about cheating, jealousy, and temptation: the adult preoccupations she had witnessed in her childhood and which were dancing around the corners of her current life." Pat Boland posted a very long excerpt, of which this is a part, on Facebook. That is all one sentence! It has ten commas, two hyphens, and a parenthetical phrase for good measure. Oh, plus a colon. It "scans" like it was dictated, transcribed, and published in a day. I have not read Sheila's book. Among those who have read it, what do you think? Jim L'Hommedieu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 16:34:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: pronunciations If people want to discuss something, they will. Anyone else can just scroll on by. >________________________________ > From: Paul Ivice >To: joni@smoe.org >Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 5:38:48 PM >Subject: pronunciations > > > >Joni also makes "school" rhyme with "jewel" by singing it as scoo-well in For >Free. >It's called poetic license and really isn't worth a whole lot of discussion. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 16:43:36 -0600 (MDT) From: TheStaff@JoniMitchell.com Subject: New Library item: Behind the scenes with Joni Mitchell at Luminato Festival 2013 Title: Behind the scenes with Joni Mitchell at Luminato Festival 2013 Publication: CBC Music Date: 2013.6.20 http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=2611 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 17:07:38 -0400 From: "Scott Johnson" Subject: RE: Questions regarding Furry Sings The Blues Catherine, My brain is a sieve, so I did record it. When I was told by those official looking people to put my camera away and not take any photos, I did what any self - respecting JMDLer would do -- I took out my recording device. Unfortunately, I was limited to audio only and it's not very clear. There is a lot of static. I was hoping to get a clear sounding "Don't Interrupt the Sorrow." Jody - -----Original Message----- From: Catherine McKay [mailto:anima_rising@yahoo.ca] Sent: Monday, June 24, 2013 11:17 PM To: Scott Johnson; 'Ange T'; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Questions regarding Furry Sings The Blues Wow! Well done, you! Either you have a very good memory, or you recorded that whole speech. My memory is absolute crap! I didn't remember most of that story until you retold it. _____ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 17:38:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Paul Ivice Subject: pronunciations From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Questions regarding Furry Sings The Blues I'm sure Joni doesn't pronounce it correctly and am willing to bet most of us can't, but, if it's her song and album, I'd pronounce it her way, or maybe explain that you disagree with her pronunciation because of the reasons you gave. She also says "realtors" strangely (real-a-tors or something like that.) I don't remember how she says "samba" but I think she says "cellulate" for "cellulite." We've had the "clandestine" discussion before too. Ah well, no one's perfect! I wonder whether she has ever used "nuclear" in a song? - - ----- Original Message ----- > p.s my band performs this abum in November so it will be nice to be able to > pronounce it correctly. Joni is probably not a good source for its pronunciation > having heard her way of saying "samba" and "cellulite"! Joni also makes "school" rhyme with "jewel" by singing it as scoo-well in For Free. It's called poetic license and really isn't worth a whole lot of discussion. Paul Ivice ;>) P.S. The three most frequently mispronounced words in the English language are Realtor (real-a-tor), nuclear (nucular) and jewelry (jewlery). ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2013 00:55:26 -0400 From: jlhommedieu@insight.rr.com Subject: Recurring Springsteen thread, njc Recently, my esteemed colleague from the great state of South Carolina said that Bruce Springsteen is more popular than Jesus. No, wait. That was John Lennon. Muller said that Springsteen is more popular in Europe than in the states. Here's proof from the latest Rolling Stone, in a positive article by David Fricke, >Those (recent European) set lists were also heavily devoted to Springsteen's latest, furiously topical album, Wrecking Ball, which has sold more than half a million copies in the U.S. but nearly twice that overseas, going gold or platinum in 11 European countries.> Jim L. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2013 #841 ***************************** ------- To post messages to the list, sendtojoni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------