From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2013 #833 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe:mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website:http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, June 24 2013 Volume 2013 : Number 833 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- "Squelched" chatter [Michael Sentance ] Re: Mad Men BSN [Brian Gross ] Re: "Squelched" chatter [Anita G ] Re: "Squelched" chatter [Catherine McKay ] Luminato festival ends on a sublime note [Michael quebec ] 1995 Billboard Century Award [Vincenzo Mancini ] Re: "Squelched" chatter [Michael Sentance ] Mad Men's finale: BSN ["Susan E. McNamara" ] RE: JMDL Digest V2013 #828 [Mary Morris ] Re: Squelched? [Phyliss S Ward ] Joni Mitchell Waxes Poetic on Emily Carr at Luminato Birthday Tribute - article [Catherine McKay ] Re: Trying to keep up with Luminato ["Cassy" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 11:04:52 -0400 From: Michael Sentance Subject: "Squelched" chatter Not having a Facebook account, it took me awhile to find the reference that Ms. Ward mentioned. I think it is Sheila Weller's reference to defending Taylor Swift wherein she makes an oblique comment about "that ship having sadly sailed". I assume that the comment meant either that Swift isn't involved with the project, Joni isn't in the movie version or the development of the movie has ended. I think that Joni threatening the producer would be sufficient to end what would have a been a fairly small movie - with Taylor Swift providing the marketing power. We'll see... but it has been quiet for awhile. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 07:50:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Gross Subject: Re: Mad Men BSN Cheesy as Judy's arrangement sounds to today's ears, it was in fact the 'bait' that grabbed me (and I presume some of you) so that in 1971, a high school girlfriend turned me on to Blue (new at the time). First the bait, then the hook ... next thing you know, Joni permeates your entire being for the rest of your life. Thank you, Matthew Weiner, for the ride in your time machine. Brian, looking forward to next season's excursion to the 70's on Mad Men. - ----------------------------------------------------------- Politicians and diapers both need to be changed often. And usually for the same reasons. - ----------------------------------------------------------- >________________________________ > From: Betsy Blue >To: joni@smoe.org >Sent: Monday, June 24, 2013 12:19 AM >Subject: Mad Men BSN > > >I don't believe this is a spoiler. Joni Mitchell's music made its first >appearance on Mad Men, in the form of Judy Collins' Both Sides Now over the >end and closing credits of the season finale. (How I detest that >arrangement!) The period is November 1968. > >We could expect more next season, especially considering some other >developments in the world of Mad Men. We don't know what year is will be >next season, but Joni will be either a rising or established star. The girl >who plays Sally Draper, Kiernan Shipka, is very talented, and could >probably play several years older. > >Matt Weiner is a fan. See his guest DJ pick, Rainy Night House. > >kcrw.com/music/programs/gd/gd110330matthew_weiner > >Betsy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 17:46:16 +0100 From: Anita G Subject: Re: "Squelched" chatter On 24/06/2013, Catherine McKay wrote: . I fear that Joni might be someone who > judges too quickly I am sure there's a fair bit in that, Catherine. I quite enjoyed Joni's sub text that 'beautiful cheekbones' couldn't possibly capture the complexities of her story, the 'you couldn't possibly capture what was going on in my life in your movie' approach. At the same time, I know some kids who really are big fans of Taylor Swift and it may well have been an opportunity to open a small window into those times. How great it would have been for the kids that I know to find the music of Joni Mitchell. Maybe she just wants the whole movie about herself and not share space with Carly and Carol, Anita ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 10:30:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: "Squelched" chatter Um, yeah, well, that would be a fair assessment. Remember, Joni has no peers! >________________________________ > From: Anita G > Maybe she just wants the whole movie about herself and >not share space with Carly and Carol, >Anita ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 21:42:10 +0000 From: Michael quebec Subject: Luminato festival ends on a sublime note An excerpt from an article by Martin Knelman, published in the Toronto Star, Monday June 24, 2013. ...But when it came to creating mass euphoria, crowning the festival was the superb Joni Mitchell tribute concert, which filled Massey Hall for two consecutive nights, and will go down as one of the key "you had to be there" occasions in Toronto entertainment history.... Good God, I am so greatful I was able to attend and celebrate. Michael in Quebec, just home from Toronto. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 09:01:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: "Squelched" chatter I can completely understand why a person would be reluctant to have their life portrayed in a way that might seem to shallow but, given that the book (and film if it ever comes to fruition) is really more like a set of sketches about three different women, I doubt we could expect much more. I also think it's a worthwhile attempt that would help people who weren't there better understand the times. I fear that Joni might be someone who judges too quickly and wonder whether she has read the book or is merely going on the basis of what she might have heard from others. I believe she's the only one who didn't cooperate with Sheila Weller, who, I believe got to interview both Carly Simon and Carole King, but not Joni, so she would have been basing the Joni portions solely on what others have said. I do get that, and yet... I've read Carole King's autobiography and, even though I'm not a big Carly Simon fan, I found her story, as told by Sheila Weller, fascinating and would like to read Carly's version of events if she has one. And, of course, I really, really HOPE that Joni does write her memoirs, which would likely be many volumes long! >________________________________ > From: Michael Sentance >To: "joni@smoe.org" >Sent: Monday, June 24, 2013 11:04:52 AM >Subject: "Squelched" chatter > > >Not having a Facebook account, it took me awhile to find the reference that >Ms. Ward mentioned. I think it is Sheila Weller's reference to defending >Taylor Swift wherein she makes an oblique comment about "that ship having >sadly sailed". I assume that the comment meant either that Swift isn't >involved with the project, Joni isn't in the movie version or the >development of the movie has ended. I think that Joni threatening the >producer would be sufficient to end what would have a been a fairly small >movie - with Taylor Swift providing the marketing power. > >We'll see... but it has been quiet for awhile. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 21:46:47 +0100 (BST) From: Vincenzo Mancini Subject: 1995 Billboard Century Award The best part is definitely missing and the quality is not so good, but this is news to me! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BD-B8n1U1-g ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 13:52:01 -0400 From: Michael Sentance Subject: Re: "Squelched" chatter As a painter, Joni ought to understand that cinema is an art form that has it's own rules. A film isn't necessarily a documentary even if it is based on a biography. Look at "Nowhere Boy" which depicts the early life of John Lennon and "Backbeat", a very good film about the Beatles in Germany. Both have historical/factual anomalies but are very good representations of these emerging talents of Lennon, McCartney and Harrison. And then there is "I'm Not There", the ambitious six person characterization of the once inauthentic Bob Dylan. It is flawed and yet worth viewing. Now there is a film about Joni that would be a lot of fun - several episodic short films about various times on her life. Joni deserves a great film about her and her saga. But I'm not sure that she should oversee it. On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 1:30 PM, Catherine McKay wrote: > Um, yeah, well, that would be a fair assessment. Remember, Joni has no > peers! > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Anita G > ** > Maybe she just wants the whole movie about herself and > not share space with Carly and Carol, > Anita ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 16:21:51 +0000 From: "Susan E. McNamara" Subject: Mad Men's finale: BSN The NY Times had a great Monday morning quarterbacking article on each Mad Men episode by Sloane Crosely and Logan Hill, and I read every one throughout the season. Sloane and Logan had some great things to say about the addition of Both Sides Now at the end (and I love that they don't mention Judy Collins). These guys get it: http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/06/24/talking-mad-men-the-season-final e/?ref=arts Relevant excerpt: LH: Yes, I'm skeptical that self-revelation leads to progress, anyway. But progress probably isn't the point. Will Sally understand why he cheated on Betty a little better? Maybe. The episode ended with the song "Both Sides, Now" and it's obsessed with bicoastal possibilities, motivated by Bob's likely bisexuality (or sexual practicality), and led by characters (Roger, Don, Ted) who want it all but can't have much of anything. In the end, Don's left jobless and wifeless and it's going to be fascinating to see how Matt Weiner rebuilds him. SC: Best use of a Joni Mitchell song since "Love, Actually." The show is at its strongest when it pivots harder on truth than slapstick. I was grateful to see the finale go back to basics (with the exception of Kenny's eyepatch, which was just consistency, and Pete's mother, whom we never see because she is lying somewhere at the bottom of the Caribbean like a gaudy necklace). I guess the progress I hope for is more the show's than Don's. Just so long as it rains Sterling Cooper & Partners wall calendars and pens next season. Susan Tierney McNamara fax: 607-254-7166 email: sem8@cornell.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 06:44:36 -0700 From: Mary Morris Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2013 #828 My mouth was agape at this closing sequence. I was saying "Oh no, you didn't go there" to the screen. While I like Joni's versions better, Judy does it well, for the time......it was the popular version that was on all the radio stations of the day. It fit the zeitgeist of the day. I like that MW used it & it was perfect. DD getting real with Joni's music playing in the background. Sweet. GREETINGS FROM THE TRIPLE M Down a gravel road, where the barb wire meets the sky. MARY M. MORRIS > Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 00:20:13 -0400 > From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org > To: joni-digest@smoe.org > Subject: JMDL Digest V2013 #828 > > > JMDL Digest Monday, June 24 2013 Volume 2013 : Number 828 > > > > ========== > > TOPICS and authors in this Digest: > -------- > Mad Men BSN [Betsy Blue ] > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2013 21:19:45 -0700 > From: Betsy Blue > Subject: Mad Men BSN > > I don't believe this is a spoiler. Joni Mitchell's music made its first > appearance on Mad Men, in the form of Judy Collins' Both Sides Now over the > end and closing credits of the season finale. (How I detest that > arrangement!) The period is November 1968. > > We could expect more next season, especially considering some other > developments in the world of Mad Men. We don't know what year is will be > next season, but Joni will be either a rising or established star. The girl > who plays Sally Draper, Kiernan Shipka, is very talented, and could > probably play several years older. > > Matt Weiner is a fan. See his guest DJ pick, Rainy Night House. > > kcrw.com/music/programs/gd/gd110330matthew_weiner > > Betsy > > ------------------------------ > > End of JMDL Digest V2013 #828 > ***************************** > > ------- > To post messages to the list, sendtojoni@smoe.org. > Unsubscribe by clicking here: > mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe > ------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 10:47:32 -0400 From: Phyliss S Ward Subject: Re: Squelched? I know she stayed close to a couple about her age, most likely the childhood friend and wife she talked about. Don't know about the producer... On Jun 24, 2013, at 4:49 AM, Anita G wrote: > On 24/06/2013, Catherine McKay wrote: > She says she spoke to a producer who was apparently at the movie >> showing in BC last year that some jmdlers attended. (Does anyone who was >> there know if a movie producer was also there?) > > I don't know if there were any film producers at the event, but there > were all kinds of people who were very appreciative of Joni. I could > imagine that a producer who might want to talk with Joni getting to > the event or even her inviting someone who might get a sense from that > event of what Joni's music means to people. > > Phyllis, Laura, Cassy, Pearl we were there - did any of you get a hint > of anything like that going on? As for me, if I'd have met them I > probably wouldn't remember it, I was just so amazed by everything, > Anita ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 13:44:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Joni Mitchell Waxes Poetic on Emily Carr at Luminato Birthday Tribute - article Here's another article from Blouin Art Info. http://ca.blouinartinfo.com/news/story/916654/joni-mitchell-waxes-poetic-on-emily-carr-at-luminato-birthday ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 14:24:55 +0100 From: Jamie Zubairi Home Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2013 #237 Hi Bill You'll have to look at the actual lyrics and read them, poem-like, when looking at the meaning of her songs. Electricity The Minus is loveless He talks to the land And the leaves fall And the pond over-ices The copper proud-headed Queen Lizzie refers to the Canadian cent, Queen Elizabeth, being used on the front (or back) I love the idea that she would mention King Midas... The jonimitchell.com website has some notes on this http://jonimitchell.com/music/song.cfm?id=111 I LOVE Joni mondegreens and I'm guilty of some of them myself. Jamie Zubairi Actor, Voiceover, Painter, Photographer. Acting Agent: Pelham Associates 01273 323 010 SpotLight Showreel Unbroken Line Upcoming Appearances: *Balinese Dance Performance*, June 13th, City University, Angel *Caged Bird Sing*s July 1st LOST Theatre, Stockwell. Recent work: *Tino Sehgal Unilever Commission "These Associations" *Turbine Hall, Tate Modern *Unbroken Line*' OvalHouse, supported by public funding from the Arts Council of England. On 24 June 2013 13:43, Bill Branyon wrote: > What does it mean when Joni says: "The Midus is loveless he talks to the > light" ??? in her song "Electricity"?? Also what is the "copper, proud > headed > Tin Lizzy," (I think it says.)? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 15:47:56 +0000 From: "Susan E. McNamara" Subject: RE: Furry Sings the Blues? Hi Deb: I was so floored when she started singing this. It's a big favorite of mine, too. It's too bad there is no video yet. She really nailed it on Tuesday night. She introduced it as "her feminist song, or so they say." I don't think she veered from the lyrics too much (everyone was using the monitors, and can't say that I blame them!). I felt like Brian Blade's arrangement was pretty true to the rhythm and pace of the original on HOSL. Although I was focused on Joni, right in my vision line was also Marvin Sewell, who was playing the acoustic guitar in Joni's style with the accurate tuning! (as I found out later when I spoke with him). I'm still in awe of what a great performance she put on. I think that the version of Woodstock on Tuesday night was much better than Wednesday night from what I saw in the video. Although I'm sure Wednesday's was much more poignant since Kilauren was on stage. Susan Tierney McNamara email: sem8@cornell.edu - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Deb Messling Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 10:36 PM To: JMDL Subject: Furry Sings the Blues? Forgive my fogginess - did Joni sing this twice? I mean, she obviously did; I've seen video where she talks the first few lines and video where she starts singing right off. Did she sing the same songs on different nights? I'm assuming there is no video of Don't Interrupt the Sorrow, or it would have been posted by now. In lieu of video, could someone who was present give their impression of that song? It's always been one of my favorites. - -- Deb Messling dlmessling@gmail.com http://bookbook.typepad.com/blog/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2013 07:28:44 -0700 From: "Cassy" Subject: Re: Trying to keep up with Luminato Moni, You are the queen undisputedly of computer issues! Thanks, Cassy - -----Original Message----- From: Moni Kellermann Sent: Friday, June 21, 2013 7:04 AM To: Cassy Cc: JMDL Subject: Re: Trying to keep up with Luminato Am 21.06.2013 15:47, Wie Cassy so vortrefflich formulierte: > One question I have... Is there a program other than Tubesucker for > extracting and saving youtube videos? Tubesucker currently doesnbt > work and Ibd like to download a couple of Luminato videos along > with some others not of interest here. I have written about this here: - -------- Original-Nachricht -------- Datum: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 16:40:12 +0200 Von: Moni Kellermann An: JMDL To DOWNLOAD a video from YouTube there are many options. The easiest are extensions or browser plugins. Firefox: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/easy-youtube-video-downl-10137/ - - this will create an extra "download" button right on the YT video page. You can then choose the video format you want to download, it's also possible to select the audio format mp3 which comes in handy if you find a "video" which is actually just an uploaded audio recording. Or, in this case, if you want to have the interview on your mp3 player or in your car to just listen to as well. Opera: http://rossy2401.github.io/youtube-video-download/ - this script also creates a download button on each YT page which lets you choose the video format (for mobile phones as well) but is missing the audio option. If you are on a computer where you cannot or don't want to add any plugins or scripts, you can convert any video to mp3 by copying the YT page URL to http://anjo.to/ where you then can download the mp3 file. In case you prefer a fast stand-alone program, try http://www.4kdownload.com/products/product-videodownloader. It is available for Windows (also portable), Mac and Linux. You can download any available video format and/or extract the audio as mp3/m4a/ogg. The advantage of using this is that you can paste one URL after another and then - in this case, for example - download all 3 video parts simultaneously. Enjoy! moni k. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2013 #833 ***************************** ------- To post messages to the list, sendtojoni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------