From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2013 #808 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe:mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website:http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, June 20 2013 Volume 2013 : Number 808 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: The Videos and dealing with trolls [Catherine McKay ] The After Party ["Susan E. McNamara" ] Re: Wonderful Joni days - NJC [Lori Renee Fye ] Many thanks [Mary Morris ] Re: The After Party [Anita G ] Re: The After Party [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2013 #807 [vern9-gmail ] Fazioli piano & Joni [est86mlm@ameritech.net] Re: Fazioli piano & Joni [Catherine McKay ] Re: Many thanks [Anita G ] Re: The Videos and dealing with trolls [anne madden ] Re: The new Joni-Jian interview [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 08:47:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: The Videos and dealing with trolls It's always the way, isn't it? I'm never sure whether these trolls are truly that shallow or just like to spout off such things in order to get a reaction. I generally try to ignore them, but it's kind of like the way you just HAVE to look at that accident on the side of the road. >________________________________ > From: anne madden >To: Catherine McKay ; Anita G >Cc: Bob Muller ; JMDL >Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2013 11:19:43 AM >Subject: Re: The Videos and dealing with trolls > > >I read similar comments in the Globe and Mail yesterday which had more to do >with physical appearance than her music. >My response to the blogger was >similar to those shown below. There are always going to be shallow people who >have nothing better to do than to focus on age and appearance - we're all >going to get there! > >Anne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 08:40:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Flaherty Subject: Re: Luminato VIDEO of Woodstock w/Kilauren - Wed. Evening I hope the person who recorded the second version of Woodstock recorded the other two and shares it. Much better quality. What a great night that must have been for you who were there! Due to a family member's health issue (serious, but nothing we can't handle) I have been unable to read the posts closely, but I'll just say great band, and while no, Joni wasn't exaggerating the limits of her range, at least not by much, I still love hearing her. Michael F. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 10:14:47 -0700 From: Mary Morris Subject: More thanks Also thanks to Jody, Pat, Michael and John. Can't get enough of your coverage. Thank you. GREETINGS FROM THE TRIPLE M Down a gravel road, where the barb wire meets the sky. MARY M. MORRIS ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 17:08:10 +0000 From: "Susan E. McNamara" Subject: The After Party Catherine and I were honored with a pass to the after party at Massey Hall courtesy of JoniMitchell.com (read Les Irvin - THANKS LES!!). Patti Parlette and Jody Johnson also were able to get in because of Patti's affiliation with Gathered Light. I think that all the fogey financiers from the section I was sitting in were also there. It was open bar with cafe seating and waiters offering hors d'oeuvres. They had a mike set up and eventually a representative of Luminato stepped up and thanked the Friends of Massey Hall for making it all possible, so I think for sure this party was set up for the board and their friends. I didn't really see any press people there. Here are the participants I did see at the party: Jorn Weisbrodt and his husband Rufus Wainwright, Kathleen Edwards, Cold Specks, Liam Titcomb, Marvin Seward, Jon Cowherd, CT Thomas, Kilauren, her son Marlin with his girlfriend, Ken Hotz (friend of Kilauren's), Brad McMath (Kilauren's father), and Jian Ghomeshi. Catherine and I went to the bar to get a drink and Marvin Seward was standing next to the bar talking to someone, so when an opportunity presented itself I walked up to him and told him I was from jonimitchell.com and asked him some questions. (I'm really glad he agree because I called him Mr. Frisell-dope!) I first complimented him on his wonderful interpretations of Joni's acoustic style and wondered which tunings he was in. He said he had four guitars, one tuned to Open G with a dropped C (to play Cold Blue Steel and Don't Interrupt the Sorrow) and one guitar in Open D (for You Turn Me on), he also had a guitar in standard tuning and I couldn't remember what he said the fourth guitar was tuned in (probably that nasty Wolf That Lives in Lindsay tuning!). I mentioned the guitar and piano site at JM.com and he said (to my utter delight) "Oh yeah, I use that all the time!" wow! that made my century. :-) I also asked him what albums he enjoyed of Joni's and he said he loves Song To A Seagull, especially The Dawntreader. I thanked him and we moved on. I didn't want to take up too much of their time, plus all of us were rubbernecking waiting to see Joni. I then noticed that Kilauren had come in and I said to our group, "hey let's walk over to where Kilauren is." We decided not to try and talk to her since we really wanted to stick to the music and not be paparazzi-like. As I walked by her all I heard her say was, "Oh, I broke my nose." hmm ... But while we were turning the corner I saw Liam Titcomb against the wall and asked Catherine if she wanted to go over and talk to him. He was so sweet and talked to us for quite a while ... we also got some shots with him, which you can see on Catherine's FB page. I first told him how much I loved his version of If, and he said it was quite an honor for him to work with Brian Blade and be a part of the tribute for Joni. I asked him when he started listening to Joni and he replied, "Forever, my mother played her in the house all the time!" We walked around again and then I noticed the piano player, Jon Cowherd, who had also been at the LA Jazz tribute in 2011. I first told him that we loved the show and he was great, and then I asked him if he had started practicing with Herbie Hancock yet for the next day's performance and he said, "Oh, Herbie's not getting in till 3:00 tomorrow so we will probably just run through a couple of songs quick." No biggie! Huh? That made me laugh. I also asked him if he had worked with Joni before and he said when he worked with Brian Blade on the Perceptual album he was playing when Joni recorded her vocals for the song "Steadfast." The wiki page for Brian Blade said that Jon Cowherd co-founded the Brian Blade Fellowship. He also said that he is in the studio now producing his own album. When we were talking about playing Joni's music I mentioned Mutts of the Planet and how awesome they were and he said, "Oh yeah, I think I remember hearing about them. I got a message from [Dave Blackburn] after the Joni's Jazz show." He was really great. There are a couple of photos of Jon at Catherine's page, too. Just as we were walking away from Jon I noticed something sparkly out of the corner of my eye, and a hand with a glass of red wine circling in the air. OMG, it's Rufus!! So I turned to Catherine and said, let's go over and talk to him. He was being pidgeon-holed by a couple and when there was a break in the conversation I said, Mr. Wainwright we are from JoniMitchell.com can we have a word? and he was very happy to talk, but the lady talking to him gave me the evil eye!! I told him A Case of You was brilliant and Catherine talked to him about her love for his mom and he thanked us. Then we were able to get one picture of me with Rufus (thanks Catherine) but the cameras weren't behaving so we couldn't get a shot with Catherine and Rufus. boo. As we were talking to Rufus, his husband Jorn came over and said to him, "Joni is waiting, we have to go." So that was it, she wouldn't be coming and Pat and Anne were waiting for us in Fran's Cafe across the street, so we threw in the towel and left People's Party! What a night. I know I probably have forgotten a couple of other items from the party so maybe Catherine, Patti and Jody can chime in to fill in the gaps. Thanks for listening! Sue Sue Tierney McNamara email: sem8@cornell.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 14:22:34 -0600 From: Lori Renee Fye Subject: Re: Wonderful Joni days - NJC I want to chime in here too, to say "THANK YOU!" to everyone who has contributed their photos, videos, reports, and other comments during these last few days. I haven't been able to view and read everything yet, but so far I, too, feel as if I were there with you. The photos, in particular, have just been a godsend (or perhaps a Catherinesend, lol ...). This just goes to prove what an amazing community the JMDL continues to be, halfway through its second decade. I just love, love, love all of you, without whom my life would not be nearly as rich (and I'm a pretty lucky gal to begin with). Thanks again, all. Lori, these days in Caldwell, Idaho ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 10:02:45 -0700 From: Mary Morris Subject: Many thanks There have been so many rich e-mails, I have become happily inundated & meant to respond more individually, but there's just too many. Off the top of my head, thank you Catherine, Anita, Kakki....am I leaving anyone out ? What a joy for you to be present in Toronto. ( And for those who went to Ruby Lake ) and share so lovingly all your observations, photos, videos for the rest of us Joni obsessives that were not able to attend. I almost feel like I am there. Thank you, thank you again. I can feel the love. GREETINGS FROM THE TRIPLE M Down a gravel road, where the barb wire meets the sky. MARY M. MORRIS ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 20:12:29 +0100 From: Anita G Subject: Re: The After Party Talk about living vicariously! I agree with Jimmy, Sue, it sounds like you and Catherine did joni.com proud. As this my hundredth post (or does it feel like more to y'all :~)) these past few days, I wonder if this IS the most exciting few days ever on JMDL. Maybe it's just me thinking Joni would never be up on stage and sing a few notes and, in fact, she has! Or perhaps we all have been through a bit of a desert wasteland these past couple of years. We've kept ourselves going here through Bob's covers, the Joni Fests and somehow all us finding daily conversations about Joni's music, how we see it, what it means to us. I honestly thought I was being called to say good-bye to Joni when I went to Ruby Lake. It is just SO good to have seen her vibrancy and to feel all the energy coming into JMDL from everyone - even our Lovely Lurkers :~)) Good to hear your voices! Yours happily Anita (yet again) On 20/06/2013, FMYFL@aol.com wrote: > Oh Sue, > > I felt like I was there with all four of you. How exciting to mingle with > all those great people. You represented JoniMitchell.com well, and it was > so > nice seeing all the reports and photos from everyone. What a wonderful > group of friends I have. > > Jimmy > > In a message dated 6/20/2013 1:58:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > sem8@cornell.edu writes: > >> What a night. I know I probably have forgotten a couple of other items >> from >> the party so maybe Catherine, Patti and Jody can chime in to fill in the >> gaps. >> >> Thanks for listening! Sue ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 14:38:04 -0400 (EDT) From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: The After Party Oh Sue, I felt like I was there with all four of you. How exciting to mingle with all those great people. You represented JoniMitchell.com well, and it was so nice seeing all the reports and photos from everyone. What a wonderful group of friends I have. Jimmy In a message dated 6/20/2013 1:58:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, sem8@cornell.edu writes: > What a night. I know I probably have forgotten a couple of other items > from > the party so maybe Catherine, Patti and Jody can chime in to fill in the > gaps. > > Thanks for listening! Sue ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 13:11:43 -0400 From: vern9-gmail Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2013 #807 I'd like to join Maggie in coming out of lurkdom and thank this incredible community for sharing so generously. Being able to follow along at times like these is amazing. I've enjoyed every morsel and seeing Joni in the interview and at luminato was touching beyond words. She's a huge inspiration as a human being, a woman, and an artist. I hope we'll get to celebrate many more event with her among us. Thank you all! Claud9 > > > Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 06:42:56 -0700 (PDT) > From: Maggie McNally > Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2013 #229 > > As one of the worst lurkers on this list I wanted to come out from the > sidelines to say how wonderful it has been to receive the reports, view the > pictures, and watch AND listen to the videos. I am grateful for this > community that I discovered in the beginning of 1998 when I thought myself to > be the only person who cared so mightily for Joni. Ha! I'm with Bob - I'm > grateful for the technology that has allowed this connectivity, allowing me to > be here in Boston physically, but a woman of heart and mind with those of you > lucky/resourceful/determined enough to be at Luminato.. > > Thank you, thank > you, thank you. > > Maggie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 10:39:45 -0500 From: est86mlm@ameritech.net Subject: Fazioli piano & Joni Just an interesting 'note'. In the CULTURAL REFERENCES section of JM.com is page from 2012 about a Fazioli piano in Toronto's Shangri-La Hotel with the words to /My Old Man/ etched inside. http://jonimitchell.com/library/cr_misc.cfm?id=405 Today I happened upon the Hotel's facebook page where, as of Monday, there is a photo of the piano with Joni's signature as of June 16, 2013. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=560985637284835&set=a.512733418776724.1073741825.317759654940769&type=1&theater What are the chances??!! If Joni's in Toronto.....not bad I guess. From the photos, the Shangri-La does look luxuriously beautiful. Laura ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 09:06:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Fazioli piano & Joni For the rates they charge, it had better be beautiful. I guess maybe that's where Joni's staying (maybe she has already left.) We could have stalked her, if we had known, but that's just soooooo tacky. >________________________________ > From: "est86mlm@ameritech.net" >To: "joni@smoe.org" >Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2013 11:39:45 AM >Subject: Fazioli piano & Joni > > >Just an interesting 'note'. > >In the CULTURAL REFERENCES section of JM.com is page from 2012 about a >Fazioli piano in Toronto's Shangri-La Hotel with the words to /My Old >Man/ etched inside. >http://jonimitchell.com/library/cr_misc.cfm?id=405 > >Today I happened upon the Hotel's facebook page where, as of Monday, >there is a photo of the piano with Joni's signature as of June 16, 2013. >https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=560985637284835&set=a.51273341877672 4.1073741825.317759654940769&type=1&theater > >What are the chances??!! >If Joni's in Toronto.....not bad I guess. From the photos, the >Shangri-La does look luxuriously beautiful. > >Laura ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 19:59:16 +0100 From: Anita G Subject: Re: Many thanks Hi Mary I have been somewhat enthusiastic in my huge number of postings and,as for someone who wasn't even there at Luminato bodily. I feel that my spirit has indeed been part of the celebration and that is by the generous good grace of JMDL members, especially Catherine.Yup, I can feel the Love,too Anita x On 20/06/2013, Mary Morris wrote: > There have been so many rich e-mails, I have become happily inundated & > meant > to respond more individually, but there's just too many. Off the top of my > head, thank you Catherine, Anita, Kakki....am I leaving anyone out ? > > What a joy for you to be present in Toronto. ( And for those who went to > Ruby > Lake ) and share so lovingly all your observations, photos, videos for the > rest of us Joni obsessives that were not able to attend. I almost feel like > I > am there. > > Thank you, thank you again. I can feel the love. > > GREETINGS FROM THE TRIPLE M Down a gravel road, where the barb wire > meets the sky. MARY M. MORRIS ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 08:19:43 -0700 (PDT) From: anne madden Subject: Re: The Videos and dealing with trolls I read similar comments in the Globe and Mail yesterday which had more to do with physical appearance than her music. My response to the blogger was similar to those shown below. There are always going to be shallow people who have nothing better to do than to focus on age and appearance - we're all going to get there! Anne ________________________________ From: Catherine McKay To: Anita G Cc: Bob Muller ; JMDL Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2013 10:57:08 AM Subject: Re: The Videos and dealing with trolls I get that too. She is a grande dame and she has a great presence. Even the loss of much of her voice (she claims to have only four or five notes left, but I think it's a few more - maybe eight, heh heh) hasn't diminished her sense of drama and delivery. I will eventually get around to posting my own comments on the talk and the show. At this point I'm afraid I'm a bit too influenced by what others, both here and in the media, have already written about these events, but we are all in the same camp, so I guess that's not a bad thing. On that topic, I just want to share something with you: how a trollish commenter was smacked down by fans. In response to Richard Ouzounian's review of Tuesday night's show ("Joni Mitchell: Three words for Joni: astonishment, celebration and discovery" - http://www.thestar.com/entertainment/music/2013/06/19/joni_mitchell_three_wor ds_for_joni_astonishment_celebration_and_discovery_review.html I'm so please to see that a whole bunch of people, including yours truly, responded to someone who wrote a snarky comment on the article Here are the comments: JOHN CHUCKMAN: You [Richard O] astonish easily. Sorry, but she looks every day of her age, and then some. She has no voice left. Her day was forty years ago. She should have stayed retired. chillingirl: Chuckman I assume you were at the concert? As I was? Clearly, or you wouldn't be spouting. Perhaps you could sit down with a musician (a real one, might I suggest the world famous drummer who was the musical director of her show - Brian Blade, or similar?) and talk on the topic "what is music?". In that discussion, you might learn of one, maybe two, maybe 37 (give or take) defining features other than your insightful point on vocal range, and oh, what was it? Oh yes, physical appearance. Solice: You should have such a day, EVER. lol Jack Violet What have you accomplished lately? CatM: What she may have lost in terms of vocal range, and she freely admits that she has, she has gained in dramatic interpretation. She has managed to reinvent herself several times over during her career, a feat few of us are likely to accomplish. She is a multi-talented artist who deserves all the accolades that come her way. Solice: Yes, even when she was 50, her interpretive style had really benefited from years of living. She just gets better. lpkay: Oh you are harsh. This is a tribute concert, not her concert, a celebration! She still creates - ballet, poetry and yes, music. We are blessed to have her in our midst. Please write yourself off when you are 70. >________________________________ > From: Anita G >To: Catherine McKay >Cc: Bob Muller ; JMDL >Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2013 10:19:51 AM >Subject: Re: The Videos > > >Yes, Joni's style of delivering the songs reminded me of Tom Waits, >but also I could picture her reciting 'Show Me The Way to the Next >Whisky Bar' Brecht-Weill kind of thing. I mentioned the other day >about seeing Marlene Dietrich performing and she had a really cool >enigmatic presence that if she'd have muttered the most banal sentence >it would have sounded deeply meaningful and very cool. Joni, from the >marvellous footage provided by our very own Queen Catherine, has felt >like a similar great presence this week >Anita ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 09:09:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: More Luminous Joni. Lucky you to have seen both shows! It was a pleasure meeting you and Richard. Too bad we didn't have time to talk more. From previous experience with these shows, the one they broadcast will probably be interrupted by an annoying DJ/announcer and will be somewhat truncated. BUT, they will more than likely have all of the songs up on their website shortly after that, and these will be the full versions as they were live without any pointless patter (except for the on-stage patter). Those songs will stay there and people with the expertise to do this will most likely be able to rip them and, we hope, share them with us. >________________________________ > From: "johncalimee@frontier.com" >To: joni@smoe.org >Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2013 12:27:43 AM >Subject: More Luminous Joni. > > >Hi All, > >The second night of Joni's Birthday Portrait was even more amazing than the first. It would be hard to imagine I will ever encounter better musicianship than tonight. I won't add much here other than to point out a few highlights since the first highlight of the day is.... > >The CBC will rebroadcast the show on July 1st for Canada Day. Since the broadcast is not likely to air in the states, one would hope JMDL.CA will record the show for the rest of us. And since it will someday be available for all of you I'll leave the reviews of the show to your own. > >Highlight two, her daughter took the stage with Joni, along with the rest of the performers to do a sing along of Woodstock as the closing act of the night. > >And finally, in addition to the poem (soon to be song?) is not the only piece in the pipe line. She mentioned having another poem about her Mother. That makes 2. All she needs is 8 more and we're in business! > >Anyway, that's that. The performances tonight were beyond stellar. It was a longer show, as they added 4 or 5 spectacular renditions. I'll leave it to others and the CBC to fill you in. -You're all in for the most amazing treat. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2013 11:26:27 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: The new Joni-Jian interview I am in full agreement in that assessment. I'm glad that Joni likes it, but HER 2000 recording has become the 'chanteuse' version - if you search on I-tunes or Amazon, it is the most popular download. Bob - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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