From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2013 #712 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe:mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website:http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, June 16 2013 Volume 2013 : Number 712 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- BSN, Globe and Mail [Michael quebec ] Joni's guitars and tunings, blog item [Catherine McKay ] Joni's paradox [jlhommedieu@insight.rr.com] Globe and Mail article on Joni [Catherine McKay ] Re: Joni's Drawing Game [Catherine McKay ] Re: Interview part 2 [Shari Eaton ] RE: onlyJMDL Digest V2013 #214 [Michel BYRNE ] Re: The Interview/ drawing dog houses [Anita ] Photo: Jean Grand-Maitre & Joni Mitchell hard at work [est86mlm@ameritech] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 14:17:21 +0000 From: Michael quebec Subject: BSN, Globe and Mail http://www.theglobeandmail.com/arts/summer-entertainment/joni-mitchell-both-s ides-now/article12557726/#dashboard/follows/ An article by Brad Wheeler, with comments by songwriters on the meaning of this song and its relation to Joni's life experience, in the Saturday Globe and Mail, June 15, and two days to Joni ! Michael in Quebec ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 06:54:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Joni's guitars and tunings, blog item Guitar phreaks! I found this while looking for something else. Ain't that always the way! http://uniqueguitar.blogspot.ca/2013/01/joni-mitchells-guitars-and-tunings.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 14:33:52 -0400 From: jlhommedieu@insight.rr.com Subject: Core competence, njc I've been thinking more about our avocations as projections of the Muse. When I raise a camera to my eye, my mind thinks, "How can I refine this? Is the background distracting? Would a lower angle be better? Can I get a better expression by waiting for a humorous comment?" When I open a picture in Photoshop, my mind thinks, "How can I refine this? The shadows look murky. Can I deepen the shadows? Should I darken the corners to keep interest in the frame? Would a tighter crop keep interest from being lead away from the subject? When I'm writing a program, my mind thinks, "How can I refine this? If my customer has more than one loan, have I thought that through? If the customer has more than one product, is there an accommodation for that? If the sale us voided, is there a process for that?" I have a very limited bag of tricks and all Work flows from it. Joni has a bigger pool of talent, and all of her Work flows from it. The source is more important than the manifestation. Another paradox: we see the manifestation but the Muse is hidden. I guess that's enough philosophy for this week. Jim ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 15:09:42 -0700 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: Joni's guitars and tunings, blog item Great stuff there, Catherine. So JMDLers own 2 of the 5 Ibanez GB10s Joni used on the S&L/WTRF tours it appears. Dave On Jun 15, 2013, at 6:54 AM, Catherine McKay wrote: > Guitar phreaks! I found this while looking for something else. Ain't that always the way! > > http://uniqueguitar.blogspot.ca/2013/01/joni-mitchells-guitars-and-tunings.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2013 00:39:42 -0500 From: est86mlm@ameritech.net Subject: Luminato's INSTAGRAM page For the latest photos and giveaways follow Luminato's Feeds: http://instagram.com/luminatofestival https://twitter.com/Luminato http://pinterest.com/luminato/ https://plus.google.com/117590029389303728570/posts https://www.facebook.com/luminatofestival Laura *******NJC BELOW********** 6 sample packs of coffee. Limit one (1) sample pack per person and maximum two (2) sample packs per household or address. Sign-up your spouse too! http://www.tasterschoice.com/sample/form.aspx Skin serum sample. Limited supply. http://www.seventhgeneration.com/boost-samples ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 19:09:09 +0200 From: Moni Kellermann Subject: article: Joni Mitchell may pull artifacts from Saskatoon Joni Mitchell may pull artifacts from Saskatoon "If Saskatoon canbt find a home for one of the largest collections of her personal artifacts, Joni Mitchell is going to move it elsewhere, according to a close family friend who spoke to the legendary singer earlier this week." read the full article here: http://www.leaderpost.com/travel/Joni+Mitchell+pull+artifacts+from+Saskatoon/8529500/story.html moni k. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2013 00:04:07 -0500 From: est86mlm@ameritech.net Subject: VIDEO: Joni & Luminato Festival Programming Announcement Information on Joni begins at 1:05:48 and leads into Brian Blade at 1:08:35 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPYQA-tt42E Laura **********NJC BELOW************ Enter your zip code to see if your area is eligible to receive a Lysol Touch of Foam sample http://samples.target.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 18:05:38 -0700 From: "Mark" Subject: Interview part 2 Another thing that really made an impression on me was Joni's likening her singing to method acting. Jian threw out Adele's name, asking if Adele writes a song about a break up, is she acting when she sings it. Joni's response was she's not breaking up with him when she's singing the song. She's calling up sense memory to project those feelings to her audience like a method actor does. She also mentioned Van Gogh, saying the stars aren't really that big but he painted them that way to communicate what inspired him about those stars to people who didn't really see them. She described it as creating something artificial - art being short for artificial - to communicate something real. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 14:13:54 -0400 From: jlhommedieu@insight.rr.com Subject: Joni's paradox Dave Blackburn said in part, " It is almost a conundrum that her painter's "eye for detail" led her to be a brilliant and original songwriter but not a painter of the same order of magnitude." Now me. Yeah, I've thought about that too. Now I see the paradox backwards and it makes more sense. Joni doesn't have a painter's eye for detail any more than she has a photographer's eye for detail, or a water colorist's eye for detail, or a felt pen user's eye for detail, or a poet's eye for detail. She has an artist's eye for detail. It is a deeply ingrained attribute that is some sort of source or Muse. All of the songs and the paintings are projections from that source. The Muse is, in some miraculous way, agnostic to media. Jim L'Hommedieu in sunny and spectacular Ohio, near the middle of the deeply flawed USA ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 05:56:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Globe and Mail article on Joni http://www.theglobeandmail.com/arts/summer-entertainment/joni-mitchell-both-sides-now/article12557726/ which links to this, somewhat related: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/arts/music/in-the-old-days-journalists-writing-on-music-were-participants-in-the-story/article11424434/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 07:30:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni's Drawing Game Interesting game. I wish I had known about it when my kids were younger, but we're all kids at heart, aren't we? Joni was very good at doing interviews, even then, although she was so innocent then! >________________________________ > From: Gary Z. >To: "joni@smoe.org" >Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2013 6:06:38 AM >Subject: Joni's Drawing Game > > >While browsing the CBC archives, I came across this old interview >footage of Joni from the '60s with Paul Soles and Adrienne Clarkson that >I hadn't seen before. She was married and living with Chuck in Detroit >at the time and shows the hosts a "drawing game" she plays to pass the >time. > >It's also interesting (to me) that she talks about writing "happy" >songs, and how a reviewer criticized her for that. > >http://www.cbc.ca/archives/categories/arts-entertainment/music/joni-mitchell - -all-sides-now/a-sunshine-melody-joni-mitchell.html > >Hope you enjoy it! > >Best regards, > >Gary Z. >Detroit ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 21:59:40 -0700 From: Shari Eaton Subject: Re: Interview part 2 If art is short for artificial then fruit loops are actually quite profound. Yes, that conversation had my mind reeling for days. Everyone tries to define art. This understanding makes it all so clear to me now. For awhile I've thought art is just humans being fascinated with humans. I still think that but this expounds the idea. On Jun 15, 2013, at 6:05 PM, "Mark" wrote: > Another thing that really made an impression on me was Joni's likening her singing to method acting. Jian threw out Adele's name, asking if Adele writes a song about a break up, is she acting when she sings it. Joni's response was she's not breaking up with him when she's singing the song. She's calling up sense memory to project those feelings to her audience like a method actor does. She also mentioned Van Gogh, saying the stars aren't really that big but he painted them that way to communicate what inspired him about those stars to people who didn't really see them. She described it as creating something artificial - art being short for artificial - to communicate something real. > > Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 11:26:39 +0000 From: Michel BYRNE Subject: RE: onlyJMDL Digest V2013 #214 Many thanks for the links to this fantastic interview, and for the very interesting comments from everybody. Just a few thoughts for all they're worth. - - I wonder if Joni's reticence about her music as opposed to her painting, that 'divine dissatisfaction', is something intrinsic to genius. She is a good painter, even a very good painter (though not of hands...), but no way would she ever be described as a genius painter-- and that must be a much more comfortable, much more comprehensible place to be than in her music where something well beyond her conscious control has produced great art: that kind of gift that hasn't come from hard graft and craft (e.g. learning music theory, practising scales, etc) but an incredible instinctive talent that must have been pretty scary and also posed a constant challenge to her as she moved from one project to the next, not really knowing what might have made one song/album great and another not quite as great. - - I didn't have time to go back and check, but my memory is that Joni didn't say people 'hated' Blue, but were 'horrified' by its candour. While that must relate to a few male comments made at the time (Kristofferson, etc), I wonder if what she's getting at is the way Blue subsequently emerged as THE quintessential JM album in so many people's eyes. So, not so much claiming critics hated it, but just that there was no sense at the time, even with all the favourable reviews, that this would be judged as the pinnacle which she could never again equal. If this is the album that speaks to most people, over the last forty years, does that make it 'the best'? There's an argument for saying yes (even though Blue has never been my favourite JM album, and still wouldn't be in my top 5), but that kind of judgement must be incomprehensible from the artist's point of view. - - Joni's discussion of her peers is always a bit baffling, but I think because her angle is not the one assumed by most interviewers. I don't think she sees herself as discussing 'who's better than who', but who's on the same wavelength or comparable in the nature of their art. So not 'I'm better than Dylan and Leonard, and as great as Duke Ellington', but 'I don't recognise any affinity between my music and Bob and Leonard's (even though I admire some of their work), whereas I click with the restlessness and innovation in Ellington's music or Picasso's art'. When she's unable to cite one contemporary peer, seems to me it's because she's thinking about musicians who have inspired her in her work, not musicians that she might enjoy listening to. I was very happy to see her set the record straight about the 2010 Dylan comments, but I still squirm at her suggestion that Paul Simon's wordiness was somehow an imitation of her own... the man was a great songwriter before she'd even started! - - Great sort-of-news about the Mingus sessions! Then can we hope for the Dog Eat Dog demos?... ;) Thanks again Michel ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 16:45:12 +0100 From: Anita Subject: Re: The Interview/ drawing dog houses These discussions this week have helped me understand more about my own feelings about Joni and her music. I have found words about 'not hanging on to that side of herself' as a 'beautiful thing' particularly pertinent. I was talking to someone about Joni and she started to talk about Joan Baez and how amazing her voice still is, but that she had strict routine for it, how she didn't eat this or that.....and I found myself thinking that it didn't sound a lot of fun. Yeah, not doing endless touring seems a good idea(Paul McCartney last year just couldn't sing). Joni looks full of life and fun without it. Anita On 14 Jun 2013, at 14:44, Michael Flaherty wrote: >> I agree that it's sad to think she'll never sing in public again. But it > would be much sadder to watch her struggle to reach unachievable notes on > stage. I think it's beautiful that she doesn't feel the need to hang on to > that side of herself. > > I couldn't agree more. Joni has obviously lived her > life in such a way that she's able to live very comfortably without doing > endless oldies tours. > > It's frightening to think how many millions some of her > contemporaries have gone through. > > Michael F. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 13:27:58 -0500 From: est86mlm@ameritech.net Subject: Photo: Jean Grand-Maitre & Joni Mitchell hard at work "Jean Grand-Maitre and Joni Mitchell are already hard at work! Here's a photo of them having dinner on Sunset Blvd. in Los Angeles while working on their brand new creation, inspired by her love songs" https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151376122881895&set=a.386226711894.171540.32590136894&type=1&theater Found on Alberta Ballet's facebook page Laura ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2013 #712 ***************************** ------- To post messages to the list, sendtojoni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------