From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2013 #584 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe:mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website:http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, May 13 2013 Volume 2013 : Number 584 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- The other J in WWJD, and Luminato [Catherine McKay ] imdl history [Mark-Leon Thorne ] RE: New Library item: Growing old - and maudlin - in the folk world ["Sus] RE: New Library item: Growing old - and maudlin - in the folk world [Bob] Re: New Library item: Growing old - and maudlin - in the folk world [Les ] Re: jmdl history [Laura Stanley ] Re: New Library item: Growing old - and maudlin - in the folk world [Bo] Re: New Library item: Growing old - and maudlin - in the folk world [Cat] New Library item: Growing old - and maudlin - in the folk world [TheStaff] Re: Taming The Tiger [Catherine McKay ] Re: jmdl history [Anita ] Re: New Library item: Growing old - and maudlin - in the folk world [Bob] Re: jmdl history [Catherine McKay ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 13:24:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: The other J in WWJD, and Luminato This was posted to Luminato's Facebook page. I hope the link works. (I tested it without being logged into FB and it worked for me.) These posters were up last year. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=616751355020739&set=a.123202491042297.15686.110573642305182&type=1&theater ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 11:02:55 +0100 From: Anita G Subject: Re: jmdl history It seems that most people are starting this thread with 'I've shared this story of how I came to the List before, but.....' It's awful in some ways, but it all seems so new to me! Is this one of the advantages of becoming more forgetful? Everything seems new and interesting.....I suppose the seasons they go round and round....... and so do I....... Anita x ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 17:48:17 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: imdl history Hey everyone, I've posted my story before but it's nice to reminisce. I originally joined in the early days too but dropped off for several years. I was studying Neuroscience at the Australian National University (ANU) around 1995/6 and hadn't used a computer before. The university had Mac labs all over campus as well as in my student residence. I loved the novelty so zoomed around the web and fell upon the Joni Mitchell Discussion List. Of course, it was because of searching for all things Joni, my favourite subject. Academia took precedence so, I eased off until I moved back to Sydney where, I reconnected and rediscovered a lot of lovely people like Bob, Catherine, Anita, et al. That's my story. Mark in Sydney NP Eyes Wide Open - Gotye ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 16:50:32 +0000 From: "Susan E. McNamara" Subject: RE: New Library item: Growing old - and maudlin - in the folk world Sorry, but my head blew up when I read this: "The worst example of this is her last album, For the Roses which is poetically interesting but musically dull." Stopped reading since I had no head. Susan Tierney McNamara email:B sem8@cornell.edu - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of TheStaff@JoniMitchell.com Sent: Monday, May 13, 2013 12:21 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: New Library item: Growing old - and maudlin - in the folk world Title: Growing old - and maudlin - in the folk world Publication: Toronto Globe and Mail Date: 1974.2.9 http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=2577 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 12:59:55 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: RE: New Library item: Growing old - and maudlin - in the folk world Thanks Sue - I didn't want to be the first to say that this article was pretty poor. (Like some of the folks that cover Joni songs are pretty poor.) This part stuck out to me: "Bob Dylan, Joni Mitchell, Carly Simon and Gordon Lightfoot have some things in common besides the fact that they have all put out new albums within the last month. For one thing, they all used to be folk singers. Not one of them could be called that now without doing severe damage to the traditional concept of the folk singer as one person with one instrument. It's time to change the definition." (Me) No, it's not 'time to change the definition', it's time to realize that perhaps some if not all of these artists left that idiom and evolved in their careers. Also, the use of the word "purest" instead of "purist", and this sentence: "The band will do it's own set tomorrow and then back up Miss Mitchell in her Massey Hall concert." Yes, I'm a grammar nerd. It's supposed to be its, not it's. Bob From: "Susan E. McNamara" To: "TheStaff@JoniMitchell.com" , "joni@smoe.org" Date: 05/13/2013 12:53 PM Subject: RE: New Library item: Growing old - and maudlin - in the folk world Sent by: owner-joni@smoe.org Sorry, but my head blew up when I read this: "The worst example of this is her last album, For the Roses which is poetically interesting but musically dull." Stopped reading since I had no head. Susan Tierney McNamara email:B sem8@cornell.edu - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of TheStaff@JoniMitchell.com Sent: Monday, May 13, 2013 12:21 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: New Library item: Growing old - and maudlin - in the folk world Title: Growing old - and maudlin - in the folk world Publication: Toronto Globe and Mail Date: 1974.2.9 http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=2577 - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 12:10:09 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: Re: New Library item: Growing old - and maudlin - in the folk world Someone manually transcribed this article from a very poor copy (see PDF link on page) so it's possible there were some typos in one or both, I have not checked. On 5/13/2013 11:52 AM, Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: > It's possible those spelling and grammar mistakes were in transcription, > not necessarily in the original article.> > > That thought did occur to me, but I assume that these old articles are > just copied verbatim from print. Les? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 06:45:27 -0500 From: Laura Stanley Subject: Re: jmdl history Hi Catherine, I like you! I wish we could go to a Jonifest together again!!! I am an apprentice of Joni in addition to being a fan. I love to study her music and style and have spent hours and hours doing so. That's how I found the website and the JMDL. I was looking for chords to Joni's songs online. I was new to the Internet and typed in Joni Mitchell chords. What a bonus... the JMDL!! So since then I have played that warm chord and stayed. The first song I learned in Joni's alternate tuning style from the website was Conversation. I was so excited that it sounded right I shared it immediately with my family. I still get excited like that when I play one of Joni's songs and it sounds right. And yes David, I know what you are talking about in the realm of personal growth and the JMDL. I love and appreciated you all!!! Love, Laura Sent from my iPhone On May 12, 2013, at 4:41 PM, Catherine McKay wrote: > I'm glad this has come up. I know we've done the "how I found the list" thing > before, but it pays to revisit, for the newbies and the old'uns as well. I > know that many of us have said how we heaved a huge sigh of relief when we > discovered there were others out there like us - Joni fans! How many of us, > the minute we got internet access, typed in "Joni Mitchell" in whatever search > engine was current at the time? > > I don't think it's just in the academic realm > that a person might be a bit reluctant to make him- or herself vulnerable > enough to admit a love for Joni. I don't know why that is. I suppose I might > be the same about admitting a love for pretty much anything to people. Maybe > it's the fear of ridicule, or maybe the fear of the other person having NO > idea who or what you were talking about. And there's the whole "professional" > thing. I'm not sure if anyone I worked with, with a few possible exceptions, > had any clue about my private life at all, much less my Joni-fandom. I always > kept my personal life and my work life completely separate. Of course, there > are people who have absolutely no shame or fear of that sort of thing, and I > wish I were one of them, because life is way too short to worry more about > what others think of you than what you think of them (which is equally valid - > I know this on an objective level, but still worry too much about whether or > not other people are going to like me.) >> ________________________________ >> From: Anita >> To: David J. Phillips >> Cc: "joni@smoe.org" > >> Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2013 3:07:47 PM >> Subject: Re: jmdl > history >> >> >> David, what an eloquent validation for JMDL and for fandom! I > like This Space more and more and it's so good to hear how you arrived here, >> >> Anita >> >> On 12 May 2013, at 17:56, "David J. Phillips" > wrote: >> >>> Anita and others have been asking about, > and remembering, when we first came to mdl, and when jmdl first came to us. >>> >>> I was finishing my PhD and teaching in Ann Arbor for a year - the 95-96 > academic year. I don't now how I found jmdl, but oh, what a liberation. This > is what it gave me: >>> >>> - a way to while away lots of time not writing >>> - > first dibs on news of TTT (including the early demo versions, like "love > cries") >>> - first dibs on Kilauren news >>> >>> but, most importantly, > validation for my LOVE LOVE LOVE of Joni Mitchell. >>> >>> I often use this > list in my lectures as a metaphor for the personal and political reasons for > coming out. First, there's the joy of recognizing people like yourself, then > there's the pleasure of becoming accepted by and interacting with those > people, then there's the political work of making sure people like yourself > are valued. >>> >>> This list has done all of that for me. Seriously, believe > it or not, it's let me get over the shame of being a Joni fan (fan being > short, of course, for "fanatic" and fanaticism not being highly valued in my > staid and measured world.) If people like you are fans, then goddamn it, I'm > one too. I don't care who knows it. And more than that, the world is a better > place because of us! Wheeee. >>> >>> djp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 13:52:16 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: New Library item: Growing old - and maudlin - in the folk world It's possible those spelling and grammar mistakes were in transcription, not necessarily in the original article.> That thought did occur to me, but I assume that these old articles are just copied verbatim from print. Les? Bob - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 10:53:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: New Library item: Growing old - and maudlin - in the folk world That was the one for me too. Just made me think, "Dumbass! You thought you were so smart, back in '74!" >________________________________ > From: Susan E. McNamara >To: "TheStaff@JoniMitchell.com" ; "joni@smoe.org" >Sent: Monday, May 13, 2013 12:50:32 PM >Subject: RE: New Library item: Growing old - and maudlin - in the folk world > > >Sorry, but my head blew up when I read this: "The worst example of this is her last album, For the Roses which is poetically interesting but musically dull." Stopped reading since I had no head. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 10:20:49 -0600 (MDT) From: TheStaff@JoniMitchell.com Subject: New Library item: Growing old - and maudlin - in the folk world Title: Growing old - and maudlin - in the folk world Publication: Toronto Globe and Mail Date: 1974.2.9 http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=2577 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 10:12:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Taming The Tiger It's SO hard to believe that was ten years ago. That means I've known you for ten years, Anita! Likewise a bunch of others who were at that one. That was the night the power went out for a number of hours, wasn't it? I don't remember when I joined the jmdl either, but it wasn't at the very beginning. It was some time between the very beginning and that 2003 fest. >________________________________ >My first Joni Fest was to the Full Moon in 2003 and the >whole thing just blew me away and, of course, Ashara took delivery of >Joni's guitar for me and brought it to the Fest. One of the best days >of my life, ever. I can't believe it will be 10 years this August - >hell, I wasn't even 50! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 20:07:47 +0100 From: Anita Subject: Re: jmdl history David, what an eloquent validation for JMDL and for fandom! I like This Space more and more and it's so good to hear how you arrived here, Anita On 12 May 2013, at 17:56, "David J. Phillips" wrote: > Anita and others have been asking about, and remembering, when we first came to mdl, and when jmdl first came to us. > > I was finishing my PhD and teaching in Ann Arbor for a year - the 95-96 academic year. I don't now how I found jmdl, but oh, what a liberation. This is what it gave me: > > - a way to while away lots of time not writing > - first dibs on news of TTT (including the early demo versions, like "love cries") > - first dibs on Kilauren news > > but, most importantly, validation for my LOVE LOVE LOVE of Joni Mitchell. > > I often use this list in my lectures as a metaphor for the personal and political reasons for coming out. First, there's the joy of recognizing people like yourself, then there's the pleasure of becoming accepted by and interacting with those people, then there's the political work of making sure people like yourself are valued. > > This list has done all of that for me. Seriously, believe it or not, it's let me get over the shame of being a Joni fan (fan being short, of course, for "fanatic" and fanaticism not being highly valued in my staid and measured world.) If people like you are fans, then goddamn it, I'm one too. I don't care who knows it. And more than that, the world is a better place because of us! Wheeee. > > djp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 14:16:02 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: New Library item: Growing old - and maudlin - in the folk world OK, well I rescind my grammar complaints, but this writer is still pretty jerky in my book. Was also surprised that there was no mention of Blue. Bob From: Les Irvin To: Joni List Date: 05/13/2013 02:06 PM Subject: Re: New Library item: Growing old - and maudlin - in the folk world Sent by: owner-joni@smoe.org Someone manually transcribed this article from a very poor copy (see PDF link on page) so it's possible there were some typos in one or both, I have not checked. On 5/13/2013 11:52 AM, Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: > It's possible those spelling and grammar mistakes were in transcription, > not necessarily in the original article.> > > That thought did occur to me, but I assume that these old articles are > just copied verbatim from print. Les? - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 13:27:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: jmdl history I love you You love me We're a happy family. I can't believe I'm quoting a song from Barney, the purple dinosaur. >________________________________ > From: Laura Stanley >To: Catherine McKay >Cc: Anita ; David J. Phillips ; "joni@smoe.org" >Sent: Monday, May 13, 2013 7:45:27 AM >Subject: Re: jmdl history > > >Hi Catherine, > > I like you! I wish we could go to a Jonifest together again!!! > > I am an apprentice of Joni in addition to being a fan. I love to study her music and style and have spent hours and hours doing so. That's how I found the website and the JMDL. I was looking for chords to Joni's songs online. I was new to the Internet and typed in Joni Mitchell chords. What a bonus... the JMDL!! So since then I have played that warm chord and stayed. > > The first song I learned in Joni's alternate tuning style from the website was Conversation. I was so excited that it sounded right I shared it immediately with my family. I still get excited like that when I play one of Joni's songs and it sounds right. > >And yes David, I know what you are talking about in the realm of personal growth and the JMDL. I love and appreciated you all!!! > >Love, >Laura ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2013 #584 ***************************** ------- To post messages to the list, sendtojoni@smoe.org. 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