From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2013 #459 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe:mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website:http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, April 9 2013 Volume 2013 : Number 459 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni in her kitchen [Shari Eaton ] Re: Joni in her kitchen [Kate Johnson ] Re: For the Roses concert review by Robert Bush, writer for the San Diego Reader [Anita Subject: Re: Joni in her kitchen Just want to be clear that it isn't her age but her deep sadness that seemed like a thing she would want to keep for herself. The Internet shares too much, I think. Saying that, I am reminded of Blue and her cellophane thin protection. It seems her art form has struck again and I wasn't mentally prepared. She's still the most beautiful woman I've ever seen. Bravo to Joni for continuing to push us and to create! On Apr 9, 2013, at 9:39 AM, Kate Johnson wrote: > On 2013-04-08, at 8:54 PM, Jim wrote: > >> Fortunately, I'm able to laugh along with Father Time. > > I like the way you think, Jim. > > At age 54, I find that instead of reacting with chagrin (as I did for a while: shock and chagrin) when I see myself in the mirror (who the hell is that?) or in a photo (have never liked my looks in photos, at any age), I chuckle affectionately at the condition of my face. And neck. And hair. And breasts. And skin. And so on. I look in the mirror and tell myself "You are fabulous! And I like what I see!" Do I have to look like my younger self in order to be worth looking at? I need to accept what IS instead of longing for what no longer is, and I think I've passed a turning point there. Thank goodness. Much prefer laughing to crying, even if they are the same release. > > These physical changes are not going to be avoided (at least, I've heard of very few who still looked 20 or 40 when they were 70 or 80) if we wish to live a long life, so I am embracing them. We go through our youth believing that it's not our looks that count, yet we receive so many benefits that are due to our appearance and not to our inner worth, and we take much of our self-confidence from looking good, and I don't think we really acknowledge this until we start losing the bloom of youth and have no choice but to face the facts. > > If I'm looking like an old woman, that's fine with me, because I hope to become an old woman. All I wish is to look like a healthy, fit and happy old woman. > > Joni looks her age and there is nothing sad about that, except perhaps the sorrow we all feel at times about the loss of the way we "used to" look. It's a hard fact to swallow but if we are wise, we'll reconcile with reality. > > Kab e > > b?b 1b.b?b 1b.b?b 1b. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 10:39:15 -0600 From: Kate Johnson Subject: Re: Joni in her kitchen On 2013-04-08, at 8:54 PM, Jim wrote: > Fortunately, I'm able to laugh along with Father Time. I like the way you think, Jim. At age 54, I find that instead of reacting with chagrin (as I did for a while: shock and chagrin) when I see myself in the mirror (who the hell is that?) or in a photo (have never liked my looks in photos, at any age), I chuckle affectionately at the condition of my face. And neck. And hair. And breasts. And skin. And so on. I look in the mirror and tell myself "You are fabulous! And I like what I see!" Do I have to look like my younger self in order to be worth looking at? I need to accept what IS instead of longing for what no longer is, and I think I've passed a turning point there. Thank goodness. Much prefer laughing to crying, even if they are the same release. These physical changes are not going to be avoided (at least, I've heard of very few who still looked 20 or 40 when they were 70 or 80) if we wish to live a long life, so I am embracing them. We go through our youth believing that it's not our looks that count, yet we receive so many benefits that are due to our appearance and not to our inner worth, and we take much of our self-confidence from looking good, and I don't think we really acknowledge this until we start losing the bloom of youth and have no choice but to face the facts. If I'm looking like an old woman, that's fine with me, because I hope to become an old woman. All I wish is to look like a healthy, fit and happy old woman. Joni looks her age and there is nothing sad about that, except perhaps the sorrow we all feel at times about the loss of the way we "used to" look. It's a hard fact to swallow but if we are wise, we'll reconcile with reality. Kab e b?b 1b.b?b 1b.b?b 1b. Stubblejumpin'Gal http://goldengrainfarm.blogspot.com Follow me on Twitter: https://twitter.com/#!/blondiblathers ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 19:50:58 +0100 From: Anita Subject: Re: For the Roses concert review by Robert Bush, writer for the San Diego Reader What a brilliant review, Dave! Being described as 'sublime' doesn't get any better than that! I have been reading all the discussion about Joni in the kitchen and people's perceptions and projections about the photograph. There is nothing other than sheer joy on Robin's face in the photo that accompanies the review and she looks absolutely stunning. Congratulations! Anita On 9 Apr 2013, at 19:17, Dave Blackburn wrote: > http://www.sandiegoreader.com/weblogs/jam-session/2013/apr/09/for-the-roses/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 19:37:34 +0000 From: "Susan E. McNamara" Subject: RE: For the Roses concert review by Robert Bush, writer for the San Diego Reader This review was so wonderful ... I have had the experience of chills while listening to the Mutts. I'm very sad I missed this concert!!! Waahhh! Congrats Robin, Dave and the Mutts of the Planet! Susan Tierney McNamara email: sem8@cornell.edu - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Dave Blackburn Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2013 2:17 PM To: JMDL JMDL Subject: For the Roses concert review by Robert Bush, writer for the San Diego Reader http://www.sandiegoreader.com/weblogs/jam-session/2013/apr/09/for-the-roses/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2013 13:16:54 -0500 From: est86mlm@ameritech.net Subject: Joni in her kitchen + her appearance Mark, FYI: I remember there was one being sold on eBay and not that long ago. (SEE eBay Item Number 310537663319) So, there could be more out there for you. As it was a promotional item, I found it surprizing, and got a real kick out of seeing Joni actually using one! Almost like it was planted there along with 2 packs of her ciggys. (Doesn't the discussion about the brand of ciggys appears on JMDL annually??) https://www.nascigs.com/ I found her expression rather pensive, as she has an everthinking mind. Maybe listening to the person across the table from her? She always said she wasn't going to have plastic surgery and is probably quite proud of her aging. She may actually enjoy the fact that she has the artistic face of aging as one of the artists she admired, O'Keeffe, did when Joni knew her. Mark, I agree with you on her hair!! Joni quote: "You can look at beauty in different ways by putting on different hats. There are women my age who have obviously had face-lifts. Seeing them, I've thought, Maybe it's time. I've gone to the mirror and lifted my jawline up as it would be after a face-lift, then let it drop back down. But when I lift it up, it doesn't match the rest of it. In a way, it looks better with the jowls and everything. There is a look that you get in your sixties, and if you're a healthy, happy version of that look, that's beautiful. If you try to contrive the jawline of a thirty- or forty-year-old, but your hands are all liver-spotted and crinkly, the moment you put your hand up to your face, as you would in the course of an evening, your wrinkled hand next to that tight little jawline looks ridiculous. So now what, do you start sewing your hands? To me, the whole idea of it is really one of the modern tragedies, that so much emphasis is put on something so superficial, and that people can be so unhappy that they do that to themselves. I think it is symptomatic of a greater problem, which is not being addressed: that people are entering into middle age in some kind of spiritual void, and by spiritual I don't mean religious. Their spirits are depressed. Only a depressed spirit would go to one of those butchers and let him cut her face all up and stitch it into some macabre resemblance of youth. Plastic surgery nullifies the character that shows the patterns of people's lives - how much they've laughed, how much they've grieved. This surgically altered look has become so commonplace that no one seems to see it as grotesque. There's no wisdom in this culture, now love of character." and from the same article: "Joy. I'm blessed with some really fun-loving friends. We play pool. We have outings every once in a while. I can go anywhere with these guys and know that we will be having a good giggle all night long. You're one. I have friends with a capacity for fun, and a great capacity for joy. I've taken them to Saskatchewan, where I come from. We go walking in the country and it's full of revelations for them. My best friends are like happy children. That's not to say that we don't have adult down days, but we buoy each other up. I remember seeing a documentary on a group of middle-aged Israelis who had grown up communally from early childhood, and, huddled together for a group portrait, they all looked like they were about seven years old. The benefits of prolonged friendship between a group of people are the comfortability, the inside jokes, and the hard teasing that comes from a strong bottom line. All of that is a joy to me. " http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=1461&from=search Personally I'm beyond giddy to see that Joni has a younger friend she's regularly hanging-with that clearly is "documenting" Joni's life as she sees and lives it with her. It is remarkable and a real gift since Joni herself isn't in any hurry to embrace modern technology. And the fact that we are privy to these ongoing pictures of her every day life thru a friend rather than some paparazzi quick-pic encounter. (Thanks Shelli!) As an amateur photographer who used to chase my friends around with my camera documenting our days/nights but also looking for a deeper soul-searching shot of their faces, I absolutely LOVE this photo of Joni's face, her hands & her surroundings. I've also noticed she wears this pair of earrings constantly. I can't help but wonder if there isn't a story behind them. She's worn them for years now. Laura > That is a great catch, Laura! And I want one of those matchbooks. LOL! > > Personally I think this is a very beautiful photograph. From the way > it is lit and posed, I feel that Joni was well aware that it was being > taken. To me she looks wise and reflective. There is a far away look > in her eyes, as if she is visualizing or contemplating something we > don't see or know about. Sad? Vulnerable? Maybe. But I think she > appears too deep inside her own thoughts to really be able to say. > > Annie Ross once said of Billie Holiday's voice on 'Lady in Satin' that > there is a whole life in that voice or words to that effect. There is > a whole life in this face. Her hair is down, she is not glammed up. > Very much in keeping with her image during the STAS through FTR > years. I think this is a much more attractive photo than some of the > recent pictures of Joni with her hair piled up and face made up at > various public events. I can't see the woman who wrote 'all these > vain promises on beauty jars, somewhere with your wings on time you > must be laughing........sweet bird of time and change you must be > laughing, up on your feathers, laughing' getting too bent out of shape > by having this beautiful image of herself circulated. It's almost a > work of art and she is its subject. I think that would please Joni. > > Of course I don't really know her so I don't really know what her > reaction would be. > > Mark in Seattle > > -----Original Message----- From: Corey Blake > Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 9:09 AM > To: est86mlm@ameritech.net > Cc: joni@smoe.org > Subject: Re: Joni in her kitchen > > Good eye! That's awesome. > > > On Apr 8, 2013, at 9:02 AM, est86mlm@ameritech.net wrote: > >> Love the match cover! >> >> Laura ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 15:35:17 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: For the Roses concert review by Robert Bush, writer for the San Diego Reader So when does the recording start circulating, he said with a wry grin... Congrats on the 5-star review, certainly not surprised by that though. Bob From: Anita To: Dave Blackburn Cc: JMDL JMDL Date: 04/09/2013 02:48 PM Subject: Re: For the Roses concert review by Robert Bush, writer for the San Diego Reader Sent by: owner-joni@smoe.org What a brilliant review, Dave! Being described as 'sublime' doesn't get any better than that! I have been reading all the discussion about Joni in the kitchen and people's perceptions and projections about the photograph. There is nothing other than sheer joy on Robin's face in the photo that accompanies the review and she looks absolutely stunning. Congratulations! Anita On 9 Apr 2013, at 19:17, Dave Blackburn wrote: > http://www.sandiegoreader.com/weblogs/jam-session/2013/apr/09/for-the-roses/ - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. 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