From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2013 #458 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe:mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website:http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, April 9 2013 Volume 2013 : Number 458 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Phil Ramone, was Re: Spring and Summer songs, njc ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: Joni in her kitchen [Arkay Adkisson ] Re: Joni in her kitchen [Catherine McKay ] Re: Joni in her kitchen [Gerald Kent ] Re: Joni in her kitchen ["Mark" ] Re: Joni in her kitchen [Jack Merkel ] Re: Joni in her kitchen [shadows and light ] Re: Joni in her kitchen [Kevin Foehr ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2013 04:27:00 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Phil Ramone, was Re: Spring and Summer songs, njc This is a little strange. I mentioned a classic jazz album on 3/28. On 3/30 the engineer of that recording died. Phil Ramone engineered "Getz/Gilberto" and won a Grammy for that work in 1965. Jim On 3/28/2013 4:10 PM, Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: > Some songs evoke spring and summer. I'll start. > > Here Comes The Sun ("It's been a long, cold lonely winter"), Beatles. > Walk Like An Egyptian, Bangles. > Corcovado, especially the version on "Getz/Gilberto". > Mr. Blue Sky, Electric Light Orchestra > Girls On The Beach, or anything else by the Beach Boys > Born To Run, Bruce Springsteen > Under The Boardwalk, The Drifters ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2013 03:02:31 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: James Taylor's Free Guitar Lessons, njc He might be a jerk, but I still like the way he plays guitar. Here, he dissects a few tricks- http://www.jamestaylor.com/guitarlessons/ Jim L'Hommedieu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 07:53:05 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Discovering Robin Adler / Rejoining the JMDL - Ange in Oz (NJC) Hello Ange, Welcome back - glad you found your way. I remember Ashara's trip to Australia, the photos and the video of her bungee-jumping. She's not on the list but still keeps in touch in other media. Hopefully a Jonifest will materialize and you can meet even more of us silly JMDLer's still here with this thing we can't give up just yet. (Sidebar - if you haven't heard Ange's take on "Last Time I Saw Richard" you can find it on Youtube and it's worth the look) Bob - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. 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My name is Ange Takats and I live >in Australia and originally joined the list back in the late 90s - when I >learnt a hell of a lot about Joni and received some beautiful gifts / >i ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 09:26:08 -0600 From: Lori Renee Fye Subject: Re: Joni in her kitchen Wow indeed. Joni is nearly 70 years old. I think she's gorgeous. It's a beautiful photograph. Lori, now in Boise > Wow. >> Looks like all of the smoking and bitterness has caught up with Joni. She should have heeded her own words: "Happiness is the best facelift". What a shame! - -- If there are lots of typos, I'm emailing from my phone. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 13:56:05 -0500 From: Arkay Adkisson Subject: Re: Joni in her kitchen This image was posted by her friend and fellow celebrity. The same person who posts often if her friendship with Joni Mitchell and other celebrities. Joni does not strike me as someone who simply resigns to have her private moments circulated. We are talking about a close personal friend who is also a visible celebrity. I think they have the nuance and intricacies of this situation more well in hand than anyone in this list. Peace Arkay Adkisson Piercedcanvas@gmail.com On Apr 8, 2013, at 1:06 PM, shadows and light wrote: > i am old school and am always surprised when someone takes, tags and > uploads MY picture. I like to be asked. So speculation aside as to Joni's > mood, it is a picture in her own home and that raises some questions. > Personally i think she looks beautiful. > Being a celebrity is a devil's bargain. The last time i saw Natalie > Merchant was at the Yost Theater in Santa Ana. She stopped singing and > confiscated iphones and cameras from the audience members. No electronic > devices she implored. Wistfully, she said: "Can't I have control of my > image? Don't you think I should?" > Yet, at the end of the night she gave everything back and posed for about > 10 minutes. > But by the time I got home that night, her show was all over you tube. And > I of course, watched and re-watched the show. Joni is probably resigned to > her image circulating around. > > > > On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 9:54 AM, Jack Merkel wrote: > >> I somewhat agree, but then again, Joni has always been willing to share >> her vulnerable side. She has never been shy about opening up her heart and >> soul for the whole world to see. I guess the difference here is that in her >> music, she controlled what was shared. Hopefully who ever took this >> picture is close enough to Joni to know whether she would approve of this >> being shared. I'm assuming anyone in the position to take this photo would >> be close enough to her to know how she would feel about this. Personally I >> think it's a beautiful portrait and one that captures Joni's emotional >> depth that we all know and admire. >> >> Jack >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Apr 8, 2013, at 11:02 AM, Shari Eaton wrote: >> >>> And you should like to have a photo taken of you with this level of >> vulnerability and placed on Instagram and shared across the web? It's a >> touch disrespectful. >>> >>> >>> On Apr 8, 2013, at 8:59 AM, Raffaele Malanga >> wrote: >>> >>>> Yes. Perhaps that's why I found it moving. Almost as if we should not >> be there, looking at her. She looks so vulnerable >>>> >>>> On 8 Apr 2013, at 16:51, "Shari Eaton" wrote: >>>> >>>>> Seems a little too personal for public eyes. She could be grieving the >> loss of someone close. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Apr 8, 2013, at 7:54 AM, Raffaele Malanga >> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> http://instagram.com/p/X1T1_ek80m/ >>>>>> >>>>>> I find this photo extremely touching >>>>>> >>>>>> Raf. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 08:18:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni in her kitchen I don't like seeing photos of myself either. Any time, anywhere, but especially now that I'm older. I'd rather stay in some kind of denial, the denial that faces me in the mirror every day when I don't really notice how haggard I sometimes am. I found this photo pretty arty for something that was probably taken with a shitty cellphone camera. I think that's what Instagram is all about, n'est-ce pas? Don't mind me. I'm in a techno-rut, and couldn't be bothered to keep up with that stuff. anyway, Joni is 70, or nearly, and life happens. Disregard the wrinkles and the apparently sad expression. I like the shadows and light in this one and I'd prefer to see this as pensive, rather than sad. I wonder if that's beer she's drinking, or ginger ale? >________________________________ > From: Jim >To: shadows and light ; Jack Merkel >Cc: Shari Eaton ; Raffaele Malanga ; "joni@smoe.org" >Sent: Monday, April 8, 2013 10:54:09 PM >Subject: Re: Joni in her kitchen > >I personally don't care for any photos of myself since I was in my 40's. But >even though I don't care for more recent pics of myself, it doesn't bother me >when others post them even though its a big reality check (darn I'm getting to >be an old fart). Fortunately, I'm able to laugh along with Father Time. >It's a great Pic Raf and thanks for sharing even though reality doesn't always >paint the same pretty picture we all have painted in our minds. > > >[...] >> >>> On Apr 8, 2013, at 7:54 AM, Raffaele Malanga > >> wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> >http://instagram.com/p/X1T1_ek80m/ >> >>>> >> >>>> I find this photo extremely >touching >> >>>> >> >>>> Raf. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 09:25:36 -0400 From: Gerald Kent Subject: Re: Joni in her kitchen Looks like all of the smoking and bitterness has caught up with Joni. She should have heeded her own words: "Happiness is the best facelift". What a shame! Sent from my iPad On Apr 8, 2013, at 12:09 PM, Corey Blake wrote: > Good eye! That's awesome. > > > On Apr 8, 2013, at 9:02 AM, est86mlm@ameritech.net wrote: > >> Love the match cover! >> >> Laura ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 18:44:58 -0700 From: "Mark" Subject: Re: Joni in her kitchen That is a great catch, Laura! And I want one of those matchbooks. LOL! Personally I think this is a very beautiful photograph. From the way it is lit and posed, I feel that Joni was well aware that it was being taken. To me she looks wise and reflective. There is a far away look in her eyes, as if she is visualizing or contemplating something we don't see or know about. Sad? Vulnerable? Maybe. But I think she appears too deep inside her own thoughts to really be able to say. Annie Ross once said of Billie Holiday's voice on 'Lady in Satin' that there is a whole life in that voice or words to that effect. There is a whole life in this face. Her hair is down, she is not glammed up. Very much in keeping with her image during the STAS through FTR years. I think this is a much more attractive photo than some of the recent pictures of Joni with her hair piled up and face made up at various public events. I can't see the woman who wrote 'all these vain promises on beauty jars, somewhere with your wings on time you must be laughing........sweet bird of time and change you must be laughing, up on your feathers, laughing' getting too bent out of shape by having this beautiful image of herself circulated. It's almost a work of art and she is its subject. I think that would please Joni. Of course I don't really know her so I don't really know what her reaction would be. Mark in Seattle - -----Original Message----- From: Corey Blake Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 9:09 AM To: est86mlm@ameritech.net Cc: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Joni in her kitchen Good eye! That's awesome. On Apr 8, 2013, at 9:02 AM, est86mlm@ameritech.net wrote: > Love the match cover! > > Laura ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 11:54:05 -0500 From: Jack Merkel Subject: Re: Joni in her kitchen I somewhat agree, but then again, Joni has always been willing to share her vulnerable side. She has never been shy about opening up her heart and soul for the whole world to see. I guess the difference here is that in her music, she controlled what was shared. Hopefully who ever took this picture is close enough to Joni to know whether she would approve of this being shared. I'm assuming anyone in the position to take this photo would be close enough to her to know how she would feel about this. Personally I think it's a beautiful portrait and one that captures Joni's emotional depth that we all know and admire. Jack Sent from my iPhone On Apr 8, 2013, at 11:02 AM, Shari Eaton wrote: > And you should like to have a photo taken of you with this level of vulnerability and placed on Instagram and shared across the web? It's a touch disrespectful. > > > On Apr 8, 2013, at 8:59 AM, Raffaele Malanga wrote: > >> Yes. Perhaps that's why I found it moving. Almost as if we should not be there, looking at her. She looks so vulnerable >> >> On 8 Apr 2013, at 16:51, "Shari Eaton" wrote: >> >>> Seems a little too personal for public eyes. She could be grieving the loss of someone close. >>> >>> >>> On Apr 8, 2013, at 7:54 AM, Raffaele Malanga wrote: >>> >>>> http://instagram.com/p/X1T1_ek80m/ >>>> >>>> I find this photo extremely touching >>>> >>>> Raf. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 11:02:33 -0700 From: shadows and light Subject: Re: Joni in her kitchen i am old school and am always surprised when someone takes, tags and uploads MY picture. I like to be asked. So speculation aside as to Joni's mood, it is a picture in her own home and that raises some questions. Personally i think she looks beautiful. Being a celebrity is a devil's bargain. The last time i saw Natalie Merchant was at the Yost Theater in Santa Ana. She stopped singing and confiscated iphones and cameras from the audience members. No electronic devices she implored. Wistfully, she said: "Can't I have control of my image? Don't you think I should?" Yet, at the end of the night she gave everything back and posed for about 10 minutes. But by the time I got home that night, her show was all over you tube. And I of course, watched and re-watched the show. Joni is probably resigned to her image circulating around. On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 9:54 AM, Jack Merkel wrote: > I somewhat agree, but then again, Joni has always been willing to share > her vulnerable side. She has never been shy about opening up her heart and > soul for the whole world to see. I guess the difference here is that in her > music, she controlled what was shared. Hopefully who ever took this > picture is close enough to Joni to know whether she would approve of this > being shared. I'm assuming anyone in the position to take this photo would > be close enough to her to know how she would feel about this. Personally I > think it's a beautiful portrait and one that captures Joni's emotional > depth that we all know and admire. > > Jack > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Apr 8, 2013, at 11:02 AM, Shari Eaton wrote: > > > And you should like to have a photo taken of you with this level of > vulnerability and placed on Instagram and shared across the web? It's a > touch disrespectful. > > > > > > On Apr 8, 2013, at 8:59 AM, Raffaele Malanga > wrote: > > > >> Yes. Perhaps that's why I found it moving. Almost as if we should not > be there, looking at her. She looks so vulnerable > >> > >> On 8 Apr 2013, at 16:51, "Shari Eaton" wrote: > >> > >>> Seems a little too personal for public eyes. She could be grieving the > loss of someone close. > >>> > >>> > >>> On Apr 8, 2013, at 7:54 AM, Raffaele Malanga > wrote: > >>> > >>>> http://instagram.com/p/X1T1_ek80m/ > >>>> > >>>> I find this photo extremely touching > >>>> > >>>> Raf. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 08:51:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Kevin Foehr Subject: Re: Joni in her kitchen Hi, I'm sure this is a bittersweet photo for all who have loved Joni from afar through the decades. But it is reality -- a very real picture of a very real woman. And, imo, reality is always better because it is genuine, nothing contrived, no pretense, just the reality of Joni at that moment. And she is strong enough to share her reality, not hide it in fear. As such, it may be bittersweet, but it is beautiful too. Does she look vulnerable? Yes, but we all are vulnerable, whether we show it or not: each moment we dangle by a thin thread over the abyss, and as we age that thread does grow thinner. Does she look sad? Yes, as we all are from time to time, but I'm sure there are also other moods at other times, and smiles and laughter and crocuses too. "The deeper that sorrow carves into your being, the more joy you can contain. ... When you are joyous, look deep into your heart and you shall find it is only that which has given you sorrow that is giving you joy. When you are sorrowful look again in your heart, and you shall see that in truth you are weeping for that which has been your delight. Some of you say, "Joy is greater than sorrow," and others say, "Nay, sorrow is the greater." But I say unto you, they are inseparable. Together they come, and when one sits alone with you at your board, remember that the other is asleep upon your bed. " Khalil Gibran - The Prophet - ------------------------------- Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 10:43:12 -0700 (PDT) From: LC Stanley Subject: Re: Joni in her kitchen I think it is hard not to grieve as life goes on because there is so much loss over a life time. "Everything comes and goes..." Everything. ________________________________ From: Shari Eaton To: Corey Blake Cc: Raffaele Malanga ; "joni@smoe.org" Sent: Monday, April 8, 2013 11:23 AM Subject: Re: Joni in her kitchen I said it *looks* like she could be grieving. As you've all said she looks incredibly vulnerable. I posed the question - would you appreciate ppl sharing this kind of photo of you? No one has responded to that question. I sure wouldn't. Until we know she's cool sharing such a moment with anyone and everyone I would strongly suggest not linking it any further. On Apr 8, 2013, at 9:09 AM, Corey Blake wrote: > I think we're making some big assumptions about the context of the picture (how did we get to someone having died?), and also what kind of permission was granted. She looks sad or possibly tired to me but still a really good picture. And what's so bad about being vulnerable, anyway? > > > On Apr 8, 2013, at 9:02 AM, Shari Eaton wrote: > >> And you should like to have a photo taken of you with this level of vulnerability and placed on Instagram and shared across the web? It's a touch disrespectful. >> >> >> On Apr 8, 2013, at 8:59 AM, Raffaele Malanga wrote: >> >>> Yes. Perhaps that's why I found it moving. Almost as if we should not be there, looking at her. She looks so vulnerable >>> >>> On 8 Apr 2013, at 16:51, "Shari Eaton" wrote: >>> >>>> Seems a little too personal for public eyes. She could be grieving the loss of someone close. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Apr 8, 2013, at 7:54 AM, Raffaele Malanga wrote: >>>> >>>>> http://instagram.com/p/X1T1_ek80m/ >>>>> >>>>> I find this photo extremely touching >>>>> >>>>> Raf. - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 19:54:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Subject: Re: Joni in her kitchen I personally don't care for any photos of myself since I was in my 40's. But even though I don't care for more recent pics of myself, it doesn't bother me when others post them even though its a big reality check (darn I'm getting to be an old fart). Fortunately, I'm able to laugh along with Father Time. It's a great Pic Raf and thanks for sharing even though reality doesn't always paint the same pretty picture we all have painted in our minds. ________________________________ From: shadows and light To: Jack Merkel Cc: Shari Eaton ; Raffaele Malanga ; "joni@smoe.org" Sent: Monday, April 8, 2013 1:02 PM Subject: Re: Joni in her kitchen i am old school and am always surprised when someone takes, tags and uploads MY picture. I like to be asked. So speculation aside as to Joni's mood, it is a picture in her own home and that raises some questions. Personally i think she looks beautiful. Being a celebrity is a devil's bargain. The last time i saw Natalie Merchant was at the Yost Theater in Santa Ana. She stopped singing and confiscated iphones and cameras from the audience members. No electronic devices she implored. Wistfully, she said: "Can't I have control of my image? Don't you think I should?" Yet, at the end of the night she gave everything back and posed for about 10 minutes. But by the time I got home that night, her show was all over you tube. And I of course, watched and re-watched the show. Joni is probably resigned to her image circulating around. On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 9:54 AM, Jack Merkel wrote: > I somewhat agree, but then again, Joni has always been willing to share > her vulnerable side. She has never been shy about opening up her heart and > soul for the whole world to see. I guess the difference here is that in her > music, she controlled what was shared. Hopefully who ever took this > picture is close enough to Joni to know whether she would approve of this > being shared. I'm assuming anyone in the position to take this photo would > be close enough to her to know how she would feel about this. Personally I > think it's a beautiful portrait and one that captures Joni's emotional > depth that we all know and admire. > > Jack > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Apr 8, 2013, at 11:02 AM, Shari Eaton wrote: > > > And you should like to have a photo taken of you with this level of > vulnerability and placed on Instagram and shared across the web? It's a > touch disrespectful. > > > > > > On Apr 8, 2013, at 8:59 AM, Raffaele Malanga > wrote: > > > >> Yes. Perhaps that's why I found it moving. Almost as if we should not > be there, looking at her. She looks so vulnerable > >> > >> On 8 Apr 2013, at 16:51, "Shari Eaton" wrote: > >> > >>> Seems a little too personal for public eyes. She could be grieving the > loss of someone close. > >>> > >>> > >>> On Apr 8, 2013, at 7:54 AM, Raffaele Malanga > wrote: > >>> > >>>> http://instagram.com/p/X1T1_ek80m/ > >>>> > >>>> I find this photo extremely touching > >>>> > >>>> Raf. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2013 #458 ***************************** ------- To post messages to the list, sendtojoni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------