From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2013 #429 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe:mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website:http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, April 4 2013 Volume 2013 : Number 429 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni in the Morning (now njc) [Kate Johnson ] RE: Joni in the Morning (now njc) [Anita G ] RE: Joni in the Morning (now njc) ["Susan E. McNamara" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 11:02:51 -0600 From: Kate Johnson Subject: Re: Joni in the Morning (now njc) On 2013-04-03, at 7:15 AM, Anita G wrote: > Hi Kate > I was most interested in reading this, but the link didn't work from > here. Is there another one that might work? Hi Anita, I'm guessing that your mail program broke up the link, which is long. Try making sure the entire link gets into the location box in your browser before you hit the Return key. Other than that suggestion, "I got nutthin!" http://www.cbc.ca/news/health/story/2013/04/01/health-music-as-medicine-levit in.html > > Over here in the UK this Sunday I listened to a programme which > indicates that The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental > Disorders is going to introduce a new analysis of symptoms of grief, > so that too becomes a 'disorder'. The programme info says: > [snippety doo dah, snippety aye] > > > My guess is that they stand to make a lot of money from pathologising > grief. > I would so much rather take two Joni Mitchells any day, so I > would be interested in reading/hearing this, Kate, thanks, if you can, You might also be interested in a radio program on CBC's "Ideas," about depression and how the pharmaceutical industry has helped turn "normal" feelings of depression into pathologies to be treated with drugs. Here's the link for "Ideas" -- a wonderful program that plays five nights a week, and repeats at other times; they cover some fascinating topics. http://www.cbc.ca/ideas/ and here's the page that lists the podcasts for the episodes of "Rethinking Depression, Parts 1, 2 and 3" http://www.cbc.ca/ideas/podcasts/ Kate b?b 1b.b?b 1b.b?b 1b. Stubblejumpin'Gal http://goldengrainfarm.blogspot.com Follow me on Twitter: https://twitter.com/#!/blondiblathers ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 16:28:08 +0100 From: Anita G Subject: RE: Joni in the Morning (now njc) On 03/04/2013, Les Irvin wrote: > try this: > http://www.cbc.ca/news/health/story/2013/04/01/health-music-as-medicine-levitin.html > Thanks, Les, this link worked well. It seems to be coming from a place where the total remedy for depression/sadness/grief isn't necessarily always to pop a pill and is very positive about music as healing - though the quote about Joni I find confusing. What does that mean about people controlling what they listen to? I couldn't quite work out if this quote is pro Joni or anti or is a Joni Mitchell a new name for some new drug? "Rather than the doctor saying, 'Oh, you've got depression take two Joni Mitchells and call me in the morning,' I think what we need to have is recognition that people need to have control over what they are listening to." Anyone else confused or can explain? Anita ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 19:23:10 +0000 From: "Susan E. McNamara" Subject: RE: Joni in the Morning (now njc) When my grandmother was in her 90s and had dementia, my aunt would visit her every week. Toward the end she said my grandmother had no idea who she was but would suddenly burst into song, singing songs my aunt had never heard her sing, and she knew every word. Mostly they were popular songs from the 20s. Susan Tierney McNamara email:B sem8@cornell.edu - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Anita G Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 2:15 PM To: Bob.Muller@fluor.com Cc: jonipeople LIST Subject: Re: Joni in the Morning (now njc) On 03/04/2013, Bob.Muller@fluor.com wrote: > Based on my experiences, this really seems less medical and more > common sense. The thing with common sense, Bob, is that it really isn't very common. The current idea that grief which lasts more than a couple of weeks is to become diagnosable as a mental disorder strikes me as completely bonkers. If you really love somebody and lose them, how can you possibly get over it within a couple of weeks? The work with dementia patients and music is very heartening and to see folk who one minute can be bewildered and unsure what is going on being able to sing along to a familiar tune in the moment is really wonderful. I still don't understand the quote from the Canadian media, but there you go. The good news is that I can still the whole of STAS! Anita ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2013 #429 ***************************** ------- To post messages to the list, sendtojoni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------