From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2013 #347 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe:mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website:http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, March 6 2013 Volume 2013 : Number 347 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Let The Wind Carry Me reference [Shari Eaton ] Re: A mouth like yours [Shari Eaton ] RE: Joni on CIFTC, Madonna, Prince, her music, chords of inquiry, NRH, etc. [Michael quebec ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 07:11:07 -0800 From: Shari Eaton Subject: Re: Let The Wind Carry Me reference That was also meant to say 'bucketed' not 'buckered.' ;) Shari On Mar 4, 2013, at 5:03 AM, "Robert Sartorius" wrote: > Shari wrote: > > "Interesting! I hadn't considered it that way. She makes note of another > kind of physical similarity in Woman of Heart and Mind with 'hands alike, > magnet and iron the soul' .. so always buckered it with that." > > This was from Let The Wind Carry Me, not WOHAM. I am quite confident that > LTWCM was about James Taylor. > > Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 07:46:34 -0800 From: Shari Eaton Subject: Re: A mouth like yours Interesting! I hadn't considered it that way. She makes note of another kind of physical similarity in Woman of Heart and Mind with 'hands alike, magnet and iron the soul' .. so always buckered it with that. Don't give me that mouth! Funny. In the vein of new realizations around her writing: I was listening to Nathan LaFraneer the other day and during the more 'out there' part of the song she says, kind of buried in instrument, 'once again I am escaping' and for the first time it struck me how many times she had escaped (death by polio, giving her baby up for adoption, divorcing Mr.Mitchell, leaving Canada, etc.) and how she might have felt about herself as an escape artist of sorts. Sent from my Pimped-out Flying Carpet On Mar 3, 2013, at 12:13 AM, Paul Ivice wrote: > Rian wrote: > > I am currently relistening Blue, and then on track #9, A Case of You, I > noticed > a little (rather silly) thing that intrigued me. > "I met a woman she had a mouth like yours" > Since the first time I heard the song - 2007, I always assume that woman was > the > man's mother. > But tonight it came to my mind that "the woman" can also be his sister, > cousin, > or some other girls who happened to have similar shape of mouth. > Since the first time I heard that song in the summer of 1971, I'd always > assumed Joni was referring to the shape of the mouth, but as I read Rian's > question it occurred to me that it could also be interpreted as someone who > cursed a lot, having a foul mouth like his. > > > > Paul Ivice ;>) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 20:05:32 +0000 From: Michael quebec Subject: RE: Joni on CIFTC, Madonna, Prince, her music, chords of inquiry, NRH, etc. Dave, I don't know much about music theory myself, but in Joni's defense, when identifying the notes in her Major chord for NRH, does she not say its a 7-7-2-3-5 with a C on the bottom, or a C Major type chord ? She easily discriminates between a Major and Minor string/note, and mentions a Minor with an inversion. So her ear certainly seems to be fine-tuned to all those nuances. Is this not because these are invented structures that have no real musical name ? I don't know. At the symposium discussing her music at McGill University several years ago, a comment was made to the effect that she did not actually read music, despite her intuitive familiarity with the various quasi-jazz harmonies and dissonances that she uses to compose her music. I think her use of the terms happy and sad in the interview are just a way to simplify what she's hearing in the chord structure for an audience that may not have a sophisticated musical background, don't you think ? Michael in Quebec > Subject: Re: Joni on CIFTC, Madonna, Prince, her music, chords of inquiry, NRH, etc. > From: beatntrack@sbcglobal.net > Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 10:15:56 -0800 > CC: michael_quebec@hotmail.com; joni@smoe.org > To: lawntreader@googlemail.com > > I really enjoyed it too, especially the close ups of her wonderfully syncopated right hand slap/upbrush/pluck technique and the custom made guitar itself. > > But I remain curious why or even how someone as bright as Joni managed to avoid learning almost anything about music theory. One would think she'd want to know the names of her preferred chords so she could easily communicate with her musicians. In some ways her understanding of music is very much that of a novice (major chords are happy, minor chords are sad) but of course the work she was able to produce was original and sophisticated. Tom Scott said in a 1974 interview I just read, in advance of our For The Roses concert on April 6th, that she didn't even know the names of the notes on the piano back then when he first recorded with her; for someone so inquisitive and brilliant that must have taken a lot of willpower to prevent herself from learning basic stuff - in case, I imagine, she feared it might detract from her purely emotional connection to the music. In other fields, like painting, or even the filming of a video like the one she talks about in this Youtube, she seems very aware of technique and terminology. > > Dave > > > > On Mar 3, 2013, at 9:43 AM, Anita G wrote: > > > Michael. this is a wonderful find. I have so enjoyed watching it and, > > like David, found the description of the guitar fascinating - and what > > I wouldn't give to see that guitar! In fact, the whole thing is > > fascinating. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 02:07:46 +0800 (SGT) From: Rian Afriadi Subject: A Woman With A Mouth Like His Hi all :-) So this is my first post on the big list since 2010 (but I always write on JMDL on FB) I am currently relistening Blue, and then on track #9, A Case of You, I noticed a little (rather silly) thing that intrigued me. "I met a woman she had a mouth like yours" Since the first time I heard the song - 2007, I always assume that woman was the man's mother. But tonight it came to my mind that "the woman" can also be his sister, cousin, or some other girls who happened to have similar shape of mouth. Did Joni ever state who that woman was? Or did Joni just left it without explanation so people can interpret themselves? Who do you assume that woman was? Mother? Sister? Some other girls? It's 1 AM and this silly question won't go. Rian Jakarta ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2013 #347 ***************************** ------- To post messages to the list, sendtojoni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------