From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2013 #299 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe:mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website:http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, March 3 2013 Volume 2013 : Number 299 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Terminology [Sally ] Terminology [jlhommedieu@insight.rr.com] A mouth like yours. . . . and canada [Marianne Rizzo ] Re: A mouth like yours [Michael Flaherty ] re: Retro Covers, Volume 80 [joe farrell ] Joni's left side [Shari Eaton ] Joni on CIFTC, Madonna, Prince, her music, chords of inquiry, NRH, etc. [] Re: Joni on CIFTC, Madonna, Prince, her music, chords of inquiry, NRH, etc. [Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: Terminology Hey Jim, (et al) Well...I was nostalgic just hearing the word "loupe" myself! Lol! Anymore we just bump the darn thing up on the PC! Much to my disdain! But you know, Joni's not a bad photographer so I'm sure she knows her way around a loupe and lots of other photo equipment fairly well! ;). Wonder if she's ever done any darkroom work! As for the "root of the chord"...I'm not sure but my feeling was always that like anyone in the arts...she's chasing the thing back to the inception...in this case, the silence. Therein lies the root I might guess! ;). Sent from Confunction Junction on my iPhone On Mar 3, 2013, at 5:15 PM, jlhommedieu@insight.rr.com wrote: > Dave Blackburn said in part, > In other fields, like painting, or even the filming of a video like the one > she talks about in this Youtube, she ! > seems very aware of technique and terminology.> > > Yeah. In a random video, a still photographer handed her a proof sheet and she > immediately asked, "Do you have a loupe?" I was slightly surprised that she > knew the name for a photographer's magnifier. > > In the liner notes for The Hissing Of Summer Lawns, Joni thanked someone for > teaching her what the root of a chord is. I'm not a musician so I don't know > that but I was surprised that she had made so many albums without that > knowledge. > > Jim L ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 17:15:49 -0500 From: jlhommedieu@insight.rr.com Subject: Terminology Dave Blackburn said in part, > In other fields, like painting, or even the filming of a video like the one she talks about in this Youtube, she ! seems very aware of technique and terminology.> Yeah. In a random video, a still photographer handed her a proof sheet and she immediately asked, "Do you have a loupe?" I was slightly surprised that she knew the name for a photographer's magnifier. In the liner notes for The Hissing Of Summer Lawns, Joni thanked someone for teaching her what the root of a chord is. I'm not a musician so I don't know that but I was surprised that she had made so many albums without that knowledge. Jim L ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 16:32:46 -0500 From: Marianne Rizzo Subject: A mouth like yours. . . . and canada "She knew your life She knew your devil and your deeds." I always thought It was a lover of his . . A former lover. And this about "I drew a map of Canada." Love that line Have you ever tried to draw a map of Canada? With all her water bodies? Kind of difficult to draw the map. . Smile Take a look at a map (of Canada). xo Marianne ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 16:17:02 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: A mouth like yours. . . . and canada is it the shape of the mouth and what it looks like or was it the language (possibly foul) that it spoke?? Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com On Mar 3, 2013, at 3:32 PM, Marianne Rizzo wrote: "She knew your life She knew your devil and your deeds." I always thought It was a lover of his . . A former lover. And this about "I drew a map of Canada." Love that line Have you ever tried to draw a map of Canada? With all her water bodies? Kind of difficult to draw the map. . Smile Take a look at a map (of Canada). xo Marianne ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 22:37:58 +0000 From: Anita G Subject: Re: Joni on CIFTC, Madonna, Prince, her music, chords of inquiry, NRH, etc. Anita, Joni mentioned during a live song intro that you can tune the piano > anyway you like. Do we know that she had it tuned the normal way for her > songs? > > Shari Shari, I am pretty sure the piano was always tuned in an orthodix way. I suppose you could mess about with all the tensions and tune a piano differently, which would be interesting to see what effects you might get. I think you'd still need to interesting things with both hands. It's possible to play Joni's songs in standard tuning - our own Dave B does that very thing on many of Joni's songs, but it's very difficult. Anita ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 23:23:20 +0000 From: Michael quebec Subject: FW: Joni on CIFTC, Madonna, Prince, her music, chords of inquiry, NRH, etc. Hi, I'm reposting this becausei t seems to have been dropped accidentally from the list, I didn't get it in my inbox, just got some responses to it... Michael in Quebec From: michael_quebec@hotmail.com To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Joni on CIFTC, Madonna, Prince, her music, chords of inquiry, NRH, etc. Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 14:34:33 +0000 Hello everyone, You know how Youtube has this way of tracking one's fields of interest and throwing up personalized suggestions to watch ? Well, a great Joni vid came up for me today, from Europe but shot in LA, one that I had never seen before, dating from 1991. It's quite long (34 mins), beginning with a lengthy segment portraying the technical aspects of the newly-made CIFTC video. It's fascinating to see Joni the artist in a relaxed, work mode, critical of the technology and in some ways at its mercy, but exploiting it to her advantage. Then, we get to see her in a photo shoot (she favors her left side), and a short but pithy interview on her music and the 80's. And saving the best for last, a string by string breakdown of the chord structure of Night Ride Home, beginning at 28:00 mins. Not only did this last bit blow me away (the sound, the visuals, her playing) but it also brought tears to my eyes, knowing that all this beauty is now behind her, and probably will nevermore be revisited. What is it about her music that resonates so deeply ? She proposes an answer... For your viewing pleasure : http://youtu.be/kjdNrWtCQWk ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2013 11:38:54 -0500 From: "David J. Phillips" Subject: Re: Joni on CIFTC, Madonna, Prince, her music, chords of inquiry, NRH, etc. Oh, this is wonderful! Thank you! I cried out when she pointed out the eagle and the serpent on her guitar. djp On 03/03/13 09:3433, Michael quebec wrote: > Hello everyone, > > You know how Youtube has this way of tracking one's fields of interest and > throwing up personalized suggestions to watch ? > > Well, a great Joni vid came up for me today, from Europe but shot in LA, one > that I had never seen before, dating from 1991. It's quite long (34 mins), > beginning with a lengthy segment portraying the technical aspects of the > newly-made CIFTC video. It's fascinating to see Joni the artist in a relaxed, > work mode, critical of the technology and in some ways at its mercy, but > exploiting it to her advantage. Then, we get to see her in a photo shoot (she > favors her left side), and a short but pithy interview on her music and the > 80's. And saving the best for last, a string by string breakdown of the chord > structure of Night Ride Home, beginning at 28:00 mins. Not only did this last > bit blow me away (the sound, the visuals, her playing) but it also brought > tears to my eyes, knowing that all this beauty is now behind her, and probably > will nevermore be revisited. What is it about her music that resonates so > deeply ? She proposes an answer... > > For your viewing pleasure : > > http://youtu.be/kjdNrWtCQWk ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 13:20:05 -0800 (PST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Retro Covers, Volume 80 Anyone else getting an "invalid link" on this? Maybe a temporary issue? >________________________________ > From: Bob Muller >To: JMDL >Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2013 1:12:24 PM >Subject: Retro Covers, Volume 80 > >Around the world in 80 covers! Or 80 volumes, which is closer to around 1,500 >covers. >A fun batch this is - some foreign language, some rarities, some >folks you know and some you don't. And one from our own. > >http://tinyurl.com/covers80 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 08:13:45 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Flaherty Subject: Re: A mouth like yours I believe the woman who has "a mouth like yours" has been identified as James Taylor's sister. The first verse is about Leonard Cohen, the third James Taylor. I've heard the 2nd is about Nash, but I've never really understood the 'why' of that one. Michael F. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 19:35:30 +0000 From: joe farrell Subject: re: Retro Covers, Volume 80 Hi, I am getting an "invalid link" message too. Regards, Joe. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 12:38:38 -0800 From: Shari Eaton Subject: Joni's left side According to Chinese face readers we each (most usually) have a private side and a public side of our face. When I learned this I looked through Joni's photos and noticed (like Anita did) that her public side is her left side. I found it interesting to study her right side though, as her emotion is very present there. Shari ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 14:34:33 +0000 From: Michael quebec Subject: Joni on CIFTC, Madonna, Prince, her music, chords of inquiry, NRH, etc. Hello everyone, You know how Youtube has this way of tracking one's fields of interest and throwing up personalized suggestions to watch ? Well, a great Joni vid came up for me today, from Europe but shot in LA, one that I had never seen before, dating from 1991. It's quite long (34 mins), beginning with a lengthy segment portraying the technical aspects of the newly-made CIFTC video. It's fascinating to see Joni the artist in a relaxed, work mode, critical of the technology and in some ways at its mercy, but exploiting it to her advantage. Then, we get to see her in a photo shoot (she favors her left side), and a short but pithy interview on her music and the 80's. And saving the best for last, a string by string breakdown of the chord structure of Night Ride Home, beginning at 28:00 mins. Not only did this last bit blow me away (the sound, the visuals, her playing) but it also brought tears to my eyes, knowing that all this beauty is now behind her, and probably will nevermore be revisited. What is it about her music that resonates so deeply ? She proposes an answer... For your viewing pleasure : http://youtu.be/kjdNrWtCQWk ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 15:43:33 -0800 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: Joni on CIFTC, Madonna, Prince, her music, chords of inquiry, NRH, etc. After having transcribed dozens of Joni's tunes, the piano ones note by note, I find it very hard to accept that she knew nothing about music theory. I mean, just by being around schooled musicians you learn stuff, and her quick mind and thirst for understanding what lies beneath things would have been hard to switch off, in the belief perhaps that lack of knowledge allows the muse to operate unhindered. No. I propose something else. What if she in fact really knew quite a lot about music theory, but discovered she got more mileage by being perceived as the native genius who magically could just do it all? Moreover, what if, being the only woman among many men, she coyly affected a lack of understanding about technical stuff while amusing herself by baffling them with things they with their training didn't understand - Max Bennett told me when I interviewed him that he once asked Robben Ford what she was doing on the guitar and Ford replied "I have no idea." (It's just a fun little hunch, so don't take it too seriously, but might be a fresh angle to discuss on the list.) Dave ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2013 #299 ***************************** ------- To post messages to the list, sendtojoni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------