From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2013 #298 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe:mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website:http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, March 3 2013 Volume 2013 : Number 298 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni on CIFTC, Madonna, Prince, her music, chords of inquiry, NRH, etc. [Dave Blackburn ] A mouth like yours [Paul Ivice ] Covers, Volume 80 - NEW LINK [Bob Muller ] Re: Covers, Volume 80 - NEW LINK [Catherine McKay ] Re: Joni on CIFTC, Madonna, Prince, her music, chords of inquiry, NRH, etc. [Shari Eaton Subject: Re: Joni on CIFTC, Madonna, Prince, her music, chords of inquiry, NRH, etc. I really enjoyed it too, especially the close ups of her wonderfully syncopated right hand slap/upbrush/pluck technique and the custom made guitar itself. But I remain curious why or even how someone as bright as Joni managed to avoid learning almost anything about music theory. One would think she'd want to know the names of her preferred chords so she could easily communicate with her musicians. In some ways her understanding of music is very much that of a novice (major chords are happy, minor chords are sad) but of course the work she was able to produce was original and sophisticated. Tom Scott said in a 1974 interview I just read, in advance of our For The Roses concert on April 6th, that she didn't even know the names of the notes on the piano back then when he first recorded with her; for someone so inquisitive and brilliant that must have taken a lot of willpower to prevent herself from learning basic stuff - in case, I imagine, she feared it might detract from her purely emotional connection to the music. In other fields, like painting, or even the filming of a video like the one she talks about in this Youtube, she seems very aware of technique and terminology. Dave On Mar 3, 2013, at 9:43 AM, Anita G wrote: > Michael. this is a wonderful find. I have so enjoyed watching it and, > like David, found the description of the guitar fascinating - and what > I wouldn't give to see that guitar! In fact, the whole thing is > fascinating. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 05:42:31 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2013 #82 Hi gang, No issue with expiration, I just uploaded it yesterday and the uploads are good for 2 weeks. I will take a mulligan and advise of the new link. Thanks for letting me know and sorry for the problem. Bob ________________________________ From: Mark L. Levinson To: joni@smoe.org Cc: onlyJMDL Digest ; onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2013 5:34 PM Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2013 #82 On 02/03/2013 23:22, onlyJMDL Digest wrote: > Anyone else getting an "invalid link" on this? Maybe a temporary issue? I got "invalid link" too. I assumed the link had expired. - -- -------------------------------------------- Mark L. Levinson - nosnivel@netvision.net.il - -------------------------------------------- "My Way" is a lousy song. https://www.facebook.com/pages/MY-WAY-is-a-lousy-song/156582624417310 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 03:13:58 -0500 (EST) From: Paul Ivice Subject: A mouth like yours Rian wrote: I am currently relistening Blue, and then on track #9, A Case of You, I noticed a little (rather silly) thing that intrigued me. "I met a woman she had a mouth like yours" Since the first time I heard the song - 2007, I always assume that woman was the man's mother. But tonight it came to my mind that "the woman" can also be his sister, cousin, or some other girls who happened to have similar shape of mouth. Since the first time I heard that song in the summer of 1971, I'd always assumed Joni was referring to the shape of the mouth, but as I read Rian's question it occurred to me that it could also be interpreted as someone who cursed a lot, having a foul mouth like his. Paul Ivice ;>) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 06:25:14 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Covers, Volume 80 - NEW LINK http://goo.gl/3m4E5 Trying a different url shortening service. Hopefully works for everyone. Happy grabbing. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 06:32:03 -0800 (PST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Covers, Volume 80 - NEW LINK It works! Thanks, Bob. I hope it didn't come across as whiny. I appreciate what you do. Figured the problem was probably with the tiny url thing and not the upload itself. >________________________________ > From: Bob Muller >To: JMDL >Sent: Sunday, March 3, 2013 9:25:14 AM >Subject: Covers, Volume 80 - NEW LINK > >http://goo.gl/3m4E5 > >Trying a different url shortening service. Hopefully >works for everyone. Happy grabbing. > >Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 12:47:33 -0800 From: Shari Eaton Subject: Re: Joni on CIFTC, Madonna, Prince, her music, chords of inquiry, NRH, etc. It's always been my suspicion that her piano teacher beat out any interest Joni might have had in classic music reading/writing. Almost as a way to rebel against the strict nature of music lessons - to say (whether she meant to or not) - 'hey I don't even need your structure. In fact, it's pretty limiting on the mind and imagination.' Anita, Joni mentioned during a live song intro that you can tune the piano anyway you like. Do we know that she had it tuned the normal way for her songs? Shari On Mar 3, 2013, at 12:05 PM, Michael quebec wrote: > Dave, > > I don't know much about music theory myself, but in Joni's defense, when > identifying the notes in her Major chord for NRH, does she not say its a > 7-7-2-3-5 with a C on the bottom, or a C Major type chord ? She easily > discriminates between a Major and Minor string/note, and mentions a Minor with > an inversion. So her ear certainly seems to be fine-tuned to all those > nuances. Is this not because these are invented structures that have no real > musical name ? I don't know. > > At the symposium discussing her music at McGill University several years ago, > a comment was made to the effect that she did not actually read music, despite > her intuitive familiarity with the various quasi-jazz harmonies and > dissonances that she uses to compose her music. > > I think her use of the terms happy and sad in the interview are just a way to > simplify what she's hearing in the chord structure for an audience that may > not have a sophisticated musical background, don't you think ? > > Michael in Quebec > > >> Subject: Re: Joni on CIFTC, Madonna, Prince, her music, chords of inquiry, > NRH, etc. >> From: beatntrack@sbcglobal.net >> Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 10:15:56 -0800 >> CC: michael_quebec@hotmail.com; joni@smoe.org >> To: lawntreader@googlemail.com >> >> I really enjoyed it too, especially the close ups of her wonderfully > syncopated right hand slap/upbrush/pluck technique and the custom made guitar > itself. >> >> But I remain curious why or even how someone as bright as Joni managed to > avoid learning almost anything about music theory. One would think she'd want > to know the names of her preferred chords so she could easily communicate with > her musicians. In some ways her understanding of music is very much that of a > novice (major chords are happy, minor chords are sad) but of course the work > she was able to produce was original and sophisticated. Tom Scott said in a > 1974 interview I just read, in advance of our For The Roses concert on April > 6th, that she didn't even know the names of the notes on the piano back then > when he first recorded with her; for someone so inquisitive and brilliant that > must have taken a lot of willpower to prevent herself from learning basic > stuff - in case, I imagine, she feared it might detract from her purely > emotional connection to the music. In other fields, like painting, or even the > filming of a video like the one she talks about in this Youtube, she seems > very aware of technique and terminology. >> >> Dave >> >> >> >> On Mar 3, 2013, at 9:43 AM, Anita G wrote: >> >>> Michael. this is a wonderful find. I have so enjoyed watching it and, >>> like David, found the description of the guitar fascinating - and what >>> I wouldn't give to see that guitar! In fact, the whole thing is >>> fascinating. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2013 #298 ***************************** ------- To post messages to the list, sendtojoni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------