From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2013 #286 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe:mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website:http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, February 26 2013 Volume 2013 : Number 286 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Litigation -- and donation (NJC) [shadows and light ] Re: Litigation NJC [Bob Muller ] Re: Litigation -- and donation (NJC) [Lori Renee Fye ] Re: Litigation -- and donation (NJC) [Dave Blackburn ] Re: Litigation -- and donation (NJC) [Lori Renee Fye ] Re: Litigation -- and donation (NJC) [Lori Renee Fye ] Re: Litigation [Anita ] Urge for Going [Paul Ivice ] Re: Litigation -- and donation (NJC) [shadows and light ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 15:10:45 -0800 From: shadows and light Subject: Re: Litigation -- and donation (NJC) gawd. i meant links yes! lesli On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 1:45 PM, shadows and light wrote: > talk yes, links no imo > > On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 1:25 PM, Les Irvin wrote: > > > Donation talk always makes me uncomfortable. And server costs are coming > > down considerably. I'm planning on moving the site to another server > > that's about half the cost, so it'll be under $500 a year. I'm unable to > > use those dime store server plans because of the databases and all the > > space the (mostly legit :-)) photos take up. I don't ever, ever want > > anyone to think they should/need to/have to pay anything for access to or > > use of the site... it is 100% free... yet I am eternally grateful to > those > > who do make contributions. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 12:55:54 +0000 From: Lori Renee Fye Subject: Re: Litigation -- and donation (NJC) I would love to donate, but I am, unfortunately, currently tapped out (I have about $1500 to my name). I donate what I can when I can, but it's not possible right now. Hopefully things will change in the near future. Lori Wales ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 03:54:55 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Litigation NJC And there was much rejoicing in all the land. Bob ________________________________ From: Les Irvin To: Joni List Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 7:04 PM Subject: Re: Litigation As of a few hours ago, my legal statement regarding the copyright infringement case is: "It has been settled and I cannot talk about it." Thanks to everyone for your help and support! Les On 2/24/2013 4:50 PM, Gerald Kent wrote: > I would be happy to donate if funds become an issue. Gerry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 17:08:05 +0000 From: Lori Renee Fye Subject: Re: Litigation -- and donation (NJC) Missed an "us" in the previous message. Dang phone! :-) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 09:16:45 -0800 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: Litigation -- and donation (NJC) > Lori, Fair enough, but donations last year were considerably lower than in the prior two years, as, it seems, was interest in the JMDL "covers" project I've been administering to stimulate donations. Les' costs remain what they are of course, roughly $1000 per year, and simple math shows how little it would take for the many who enjoy the website to reach that goal. I voluntarily took on the task of helping him raise the funding three years ago and found that it took more than one mention, or even several, to make the goal. BUT, the hosting bill is not due and payable for a while so I won't mention it again until summer. As Anita wrote, people can contribute what they can when they can. That's not too aggressive a campaign is it? Dave > In the meantime, it would be nice to see the calls for donations be limited > to once per year. I realize Les has just been through a difficult and > potentially expensive situation and that prompted the calls for donations, > but the subject seems to come up more frequently than is probably > comfortable for many listers. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 12:54:34 -0800 From: shadows and light Subject: Re: Litigation -- and donation (NJC) On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 12:44 PM, shadows and light < cloudhidden101@gmail.com> wrote: > well, i usually donate much earlier than the covers, say around christmas, > or after a tax refund. i always feel like i'm being chided, over and over > for not donating when the covers project is happening. . then i don't get a > cd either. dave, i do think it's wonderful that you've taken on > fundraising, but i also think the link should be more visible on the site, > perhaps, on each category's page. i don't object to reminders but i don't > like being guilted. that's just me though. it's the catholic school, mea > culpa, that was drilled into my psyce. don't take it personally dave. as > bob said: "it's a discussion list." i would think that most on the JMDL > do step up. personally, i see a donation as a subscription. especially > since i'm essentially silent and so many others work their tails off > adding to the richness of the discussions or the site. you know who you > are. but for jonimitchell.com, it is a resource and it wouldn't be out > of line to remind visitors that resources cost $$ tp maintain. just my > take, lesli > > On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 9:16 AM, Dave Blackburn wrote: > >> > Lori, >> >> Fair enough, but donations last year were considerably lower than in the >> prior two years, as, it seems, was interest in the JMDL "covers" project >> I've been administering to stimulate donations. Les' costs remain what they >> are of course, roughly $1000 per year, and simple math shows how little it >> would take for the many who enjoy the website to reach that goal. I >> voluntarily took on the task of helping him raise the funding three years >> ago and found that it took more than one mention, or even several, to make >> the goal. BUT, the hosting bill is not due and payable for a while so I >> won't mention it again until summer. As Anita wrote, people can contribute >> what they can when they can. That's not too aggressive a campaign is it? >> >> Dave >> >> >> > In the meantime, it would be nice to see the calls for donations be >> limited >> > to once per year. I realize Les has just been through a difficult and >> > potentially expensive situation and that prompted the calls for >> donations, >> > but the subject seems to come up more frequently than is probably >> > comfortable for many listers. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 15:45:23 +0000 From: Anita G Subject: Re: Litigation -- and donation (NJC) Lori, as someone who encouraged donations, I sure as hell wouldn't want anyone to feel bad or guilty about not donating. I am sure Les wouldn't want that either.I feel a bit bad myself that you have felt you need to explain your finances here. I am sorry if my encouragement to donate felt a bit badgering. I am confident that everyone will do what they can when they can and if they feel they want to. No-one can do any more than that, Anita On 25/02/2013, Lori Renee Fye wrote: > I would love to donate, but I am, unfortunately, currently tapped out (I > have about $1500 to my name). I donate what I can when I can, but it's not > possible right now. Hopefully things will change in the near future. > > Lori > Wales ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 18:24:01 +0000 From: Lori Renee Fye Subject: Re: Litigation -- and donation (NJC) Thinking about being "led to" donate, and since most of us are on digest (including me these days), I wonder if it would be possible to add the link to the "donate" page to the tag line at the bottom of digests? Can that tag line still be edited? Lori Wales ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 17:51:31 +0000 From: Lori Renee Fye Subject: Re: Litigation -- and donation (NJC) << BUT, the hosting bill is not due and payable for a while so I won't mention it again until summer. As Anita wrote, people can contribute what they can when they can. That's not too aggressive a campaign is it? >> No Dave, it's not too aggressive a campaign. I didn't mean to come off sounding bitchy; I was reacting to "Happy's" post on the same subject. Any of us who enjoy things like PBS or NPR or RadioParadise.com are used to periodic fund drives that seem to go on ad infinitum when they happen. There's a theory about having to tell someone something nine times before it gets through to them. I would fully expect repeat requests for donations during an annual request period, or even on a semi annual basis. A couple of factors to consider about last year's lackluster fundraising: The economy is still crappy in many (perhaps most) places, and Facebook is replacing the older listserv types of groups like the JMDL. As most of us on the JMDL have known one another for 15 years or more, we connect in other ways now, including via Facebook. So we don't always see all the emails that run through smoe.org. And, as valuable a resource as www.jonimitchell.com is, I don't know how many of the "old guard" on the JMDL use it the way we once did. It doesn't mean we don't want to support it, because we do. I think a lot of us are just a bit "skint" at the moment and it's harder to come up with the money to pitch in right now. Personally, if I got a windfall of some sort, I would probably donate 25% or it to JM.com. Lori Wales ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 17:06:44 +0000 From: Lori Renee Fye Subject: Re: Litigation -- and donation (NJC) My response wasn't meant to be personal to you, Anita, and I apologize if it appeared that way. I'm confident that Les is fairly happy with my donations thus far. The reason I felt the need to mention my situation is that it often seems lost on some folks that not all of here have the means all of the time (or sometimes ever) to donate as frequently as the subject is raised. (I am reminded of a certain "Friends" episode wherein most the characters made good money but one or two did not, and the discomfort it caused.) We all do what we can in one way or another. Hopefully everyone's financial situation will improve and more of us can contribute more money in the future. In the meantime, it would be nice to see the calls for donations be limited to once per year. I realize Les has just been through a difficult and potentially expensive situation and that prompted the calls for donations, but the subject seems to come up more frequently than is probably comfortable for many listers. Just my two cents ... heh. Peace. Lori Wales On Feb 25, 2013 3:45 PM, "Anita G" wrote: > Lori, as someone who encouraged donations, I sure as hell wouldn't > want anyone to feel bad or guilty about not donating. I am sure Les > wouldn't want that either.I feel a bit bad myself that you have felt > you need to explain your finances here. I am sorry if my encouragement > to donate felt a bit badgering. > > I am confident that everyone will do what they can when they can and > if they feel they want to. No-one can do any more than that, > Anita > > On 25/02/2013, Lori Renee Fye wrote: > > I would love to donate, but I am, unfortunately, currently tapped out (I > > have about $1500 to my name). I donate what I can when I can, but it's > not > > possible right now. Hopefully things will change in the near future. > > > > Lori > > Wales ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 08:57:30 +0000 From: Anita Subject: Re: Litigation That is wonderful news to wake up to on a cold,grey day here. I am so delighted, dear Les. The thought of such a nice bloke being so bullied was ghastly. And I am with Dave here. Donate what we can. I am sure everything helps. Anita x On 25 Feb 2013, at 01:32, Catherine wrote: > Yes!!! > > > > Les Irvin wrote: > >> As of a few hours ago, my legal statement regarding the copyright >> infringement case is: >> >> "It has been settled and I cannot talk about it." >> >> Thanks to everyone for your help and support! >> Les >> >> >> >> On 2/24/2013 4:50 PM, Gerald Kent wrote: >>> I would be happy to donate if funds become an issue. Gerry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 09:01:49 -0500 (EST) From: Paul Ivice Subject: Urge for Going n the song "Urge for Going": does the line, "And not another man in town my darling's heart could win" -- does this mean no man other than the singer was able to win over his darling's heart? Or does it mean the opposite: that his darling was not able to win over the heart of any other man in town? (which is what I had always assumed, as it emphasizes the pitiful situation of the singer) Name: Robert Rotstein email: rrotstein@verizon.net It means no other man could win her heart. He was the only man for her. Paul Ivice ;>) - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 13:45:17 -0800 From: shadows and light Subject: Re: Litigation -- and donation (NJC) talk yes, links no imo On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 1:25 PM, Les Irvin wrote: > Donation talk always makes me uncomfortable. And server costs are coming > down considerably. I'm planning on moving the site to another server > that's about half the cost, so it'll be under $500 a year. I'm unable to > use those dime store server plans because of the databases and all the > space the (mostly legit :-)) photos take up. I don't ever, ever want > anyone to think they should/need to/have to pay anything for access to or > use of the site... it is 100% free... yet I am eternally grateful to those > who do make contributions. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 02:33:21 +0000 From: Lori Renee Fye Subject: Re: lawsuit Sorry ... typo ... that should've been www.jonimitchell.com/justice.cfm Lori Wales - -- If there are lots of typos, I'm emailing from my phone. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2013 #286 ***************************** ------- To post messages to the list, sendtojoni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------