From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2013 #284 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe:mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website:http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, February 24 2013 Volume 2013 : Number 284 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Other photographers take on litigation [Anita ] Re: 'Urge for Going' question [Michael Paz ] Re: NJC Kate McGarrigle [Michael quebec ] Re: Litigation [Dave Blackburn ] RE: 'Urge for Going' question [Susan Tierney McNamara ] Re: Litigation [mflaher3@yahoo.com] Re: Litigation [Gerald Kent ] Re: 'Urge for Going' question [Victor Johnson ] litigation [joe farrell ] Re: Other photographers take on litigation [LC Stanley ] Litigation ["kbhla" ] 'Urge for Going' question [Les Irvin ] Re: Safe Habor Law NJC [Les Irvin ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 09:05:49 +0000 From: Anita Subject: Other photographers take on litigation I heard about the current issues when a friend sent this link to me. Apologies if this has already been posted. There is a lot of additional outrage out there, I am glad to discover. Anita >> >> http://www.petapixel.com/2013/02/21/photographer-sues-blogger-for-600k-over-f our-commenter-uploaded-photos/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 08:55:24 +0000 From: Anita Subject: Re: Litigation/donations Why not give a donation for Les to do with what he will. I have never given enough for all he does, anyway. We can always do more if necessary later. Strikes me this photographer has found a great marketing tool. I'd never heard of her till now. Anita x On 24 Feb 2013, at 08:22, "kbhla" wrote: > I agree with David M. and David P. I've assumed that Les has consulted with > an attorney, but if not, that is the only way to resolve the matter if the > other side has not already agreed to drop the claim. Even lawyers and > people who know law have to consult an outside lawyer when they need one. > Also agree it may be as simple as an attorney writing a letter and that is > not very costly. We can all help out with donations, if needed. > > > > Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 11:00:44 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: 'Urge for Going' question And here to take to point counterpoint position of the analysis is none other than Jane Curtain from ignorant slut fame.... On Feb 24, 2013, at 9:57 AM, Victor Johnson wrote: I think it means the former, that no other man could win his darling's heart (obviously this is from Tom Rush version of the song - with Joni the gender would be reversed). So even though the singer had won her heart (which no one else had been able to do), which was quite an accomplishment apparently - like being the one suitor who can win the princess' hand in a fairy tale - he still had to "let her go" when she got the "urge for going". Victor in Tampa On Sunday, February 24, 2013, Les Irvin wrote: > Question from the website... (be sure to copy Robert on any responses) > > -------- Original Message -------- > In the song "Urge for Going": does the line, "And not another man in town > my darling's heart could win" -- does this mean no man other than the > singer was able to win over his darling's heart? Or does it mean the > opposite: that his darling was not able to win over the heart of any other > man in town? (which is what I had always assumed, as it emphasizes the > pitiful situation of the singer) > > Name: Robert Rotstein > email: rrotstein@verizon.net ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 22:27:14 +0000 From: Michael quebec Subject: Re: NJC Kate McGarrigle Oddmund, How good to see your name here after all these years ! I'm going to chime in as a fellow member of the unofficial McGarrigle fan club. I remember Kate and Anna from their first (and arguably best) album back in the 70's. Living in Montreal, it was not uncommon to see them about town, either shopping or on stage performing with their clan. As I grew older, my musical tastes changed and drifted, but in my 40's I came back to the music I loved in my teens and early twenties, and their music certainly now holds a special place in my heart. I've been lucky to see both Rufus and Martha perform in smaller venues in Quebec City over the years; they have quite a fan base here, even though it's a francophone city. We take great pride in seeing the careers of these folks from Montreal develop and rise to great heights. It is a pleasure as well to find echoes of this delight here with other members on this list. My Town remains one of my alltime favourite songs to this day. Michael in Quebec Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 16:50:10 +0100 From: Oddmund Kaarevik Subject: NJC Re Kate McGarrigle Dear Catherine and Garret. Thanks for sharing this and your love for the great singer-songwriter Kate McGarrigle. She and her sister Anna is the most played artists along with Joni M. on my lastFM account. The music of Kate and Anna McGarrigle has been such an inspiration for me. I also appreciate Rufus and Martha W. Especially Martha has a place in my heart. And for this christmas I wrote an article about the song "Proserpina" in a small magazine that my brother makes. I wish it was in english so that I could have shared it with you guys. It is a really special song. And Martha W. said some really interesting things about it when she released "Come home to mama" last fall. I love the way Kate use greek / roman mythology. The message in the song is so strong. I hope to hear it live myself one day. Well. Just a little note to say thanks- And even though Kate may not have recieved the fame of Joni and Bonnie R. Her music will be remembered. And very grateful for Rufus and Martha, that they use they're time and energy and Fame to make their mother and aunts music known to new generations. I think a dvd of a concert is coming up soon. I am really looking forward for that. If music be the food of love play on./ William S. Love Oddmund, Norway ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 16:24:18 -0800 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: Litigation This might be a good time to remind ourselves that the website itself needs our annual support for hosting costs in addition to what this legal tangle may take to unravel. Les has a rather-too-well-hidden Paypal link and P.O Box mailing address on the website to receive donations but it wouldn't hurt to display it proudly here: http://jonimitchell.com/donate.cfm Who's able to send some funds to it this week so he has a little legal war chest going? Dave On Feb 24, 2013, at 3:50 PM, Gerald Kent wrote: > I would be happy to donate if funds become an issue. Gerry > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Feb 24, 2013, at 3:22 AM, "kbhla" wrote: > >> I agree with David M. and David P. I've assumed that Les has consulted with >> an attorney, but if not, that is the only way to resolve the matter if the >> other side has not already agreed to drop the claim. Even lawyers and >> people who know law have to consult an outside lawyer when they need one. >> Also agree it may be as simple as an attorney writing a letter and that is >> not very costly. We can all help out with donations, if needed. >> >> >> >> Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 15:52:00 +0000 From: Susan Tierney McNamara Subject: RE: 'Urge for Going' question the theme of the song is as the winter comes in everything that was abundant in summer is going ... So Robert's first meaning is correct. So this verse is ... I had a man in summertime, he had summer colored skin ... and not another girl in town my darling's heart could win ... which means in summer this man only had eyes for our singer, and no other woman could win him, but as winter came in ... he got the urge for going and she had to let him go (or he since it sounds like Robert might be listening to the Tom Rush version). Susan McNamara email: sem8@cornell.edu ________________________________________ From: owner-joni@smoe.org [owner-joni@smoe.org] on behalf of Les Irvin [lesirvin@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 10:07 AM To: Joni List Subject: 'Urge for Going' question Question from the website... (be sure to copy Robert on any responses) - -------- Original Message -------- In the song "Urge for Going": does the line, "And not another man in town my darling's heart could win" -- does this mean no man other than the singer was able to win over his darling's heart? Or does it mean the opposite: that his darling was not able to win over the heart of any other man in town? (which is what I had always assumed, as it emphasizes the pitiful situation of the singer) Name: Robert Rotstein email: rrotstein@verizon.net ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 18:10:01 -0600 From: mflaher3@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Litigation With hopes that what you can't talk about is good news, I am happy to see this awful chapter end. Michael F. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 24, 2013, at 6:04 PM, Les Irvin wrote: > As of a few hours ago, my legal statement regarding the copyright infringement case is: > > "It has been settled and I cannot talk about it." > > Thanks to everyone for your help and support! > Les > > > > On 2/24/2013 4:50 PM, Gerald Kent wrote: >> I would be happy to donate if funds become an issue. Gerry ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 18:50:30 -0500 From: Gerald Kent Subject: Re: Litigation I would be happy to donate if funds become an issue. Gerry Sent from my iPhone On Feb 24, 2013, at 3:22 AM, "kbhla" wrote: > I agree with David M. and David P. I've assumed that Les has consulted with > an attorney, but if not, that is the only way to resolve the matter if the > other side has not already agreed to drop the claim. Even lawyers and > people who know law have to consult an outside lawyer when they need one. > Also agree it may be as simple as an attorney writing a letter and that is > not very costly. We can all help out with donations, if needed. > > > > Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 10:57:56 -0500 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: 'Urge for Going' question I think it means the former, that no other man could win his darling's heart (obviously this is from Tom Rush version of the song - with Joni the gender would be reversed). So even though the singer had won her heart (which no one else had been able to do), which was quite an accomplishment apparently - like being the one suitor who can win the princess' hand in a fairy tale - he still had to "let her go" when she got the "urge for going". Victor in Tampa On Sunday, February 24, 2013, Les Irvin wrote: > Question from the website... (be sure to copy Robert on any responses) > > -------- Original Message -------- > In the song "Urge for Going": does the line, "And not another man in town > my darling's heart could win" -- does this mean no man other than the > singer was able to win over his darling's heart? Or does it mean the > opposite: that his darling was not able to win over the heart of any other > man in town? (which is what I had always assumed, as it emphasizes the > pitiful situation of the singer) > > Name: Robert Rotstein > email: rrotstein@verizon.net ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 08:43:40 +0000 From: joe farrell Subject: litigation Les, I would be happy to contribute to any fund set up to cover the legal costs, if any, incurred in fighting this.Just say the word. This is not just down to you Les all of us who have enjoyed and appreciated the valuable resource which is JoniMitchell .com are here to support you. You are not alone. We need to do whatever it takes to protect you and the amazing site which you work so hard to maintain. Regards, Joe. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 05:38:01 -0800 (PST) From: LC Stanley Subject: Re: Other photographers take on litigation Quote from the article: "Les Irvin, the man behind the biggest Joni Mitchell fan site on the internet, is being sued by celebrity photographer Charlyn Zlotnik over four photos that were uploaded anonymously in the comments section of his website." Anonymously?!! Well then whose to say that Charlyn Zlotnik didn't post them herself for her own marketing gain? And if it can't be proven that she or somebody acting as her agent didn't post them, then can't she be counter sued for attempting to use the power of the law to extort money from Les? There has got to be a lawyer here among us... helloooooOOOOOO Love, Laura From: Anita To: joni@smoe.org Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 3:05 AM Subject: Other photographers take on litigation I heard about the current issues when a friend sent this link to me. Apologies if this has already been posted. There is a lot of additional outrage out there, I am glad to discover. Anita >> >> http://www.petapixel.com/2013/02/21/photographer-sues-blogger-for-600k-over-f our-commenter-uploaded-photos/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 17:04:27 -0700 From: Les Irvin Subject: Re: Litigation As of a few hours ago, my legal statement regarding the copyright infringement case is: "It has been settled and I cannot talk about it." Thanks to everyone for your help and support! Les On 2/24/2013 4:50 PM, Gerald Kent wrote: > I would be happy to donate if funds become an issue. Gerry ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 00:22:59 -0800 From: "kbhla" Subject: Litigation I agree with David M. and David P. I've assumed that Les has consulted with an attorney, but if not, that is the only way to resolve the matter if the other side has not already agreed to drop the claim. Even lawyers and people who know law have to consult an outside lawyer when they need one. Also agree it may be as simple as an attorney writing a letter and that is not very costly. We can all help out with donations, if needed. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 08:07:50 -0700 From: Les Irvin Subject: 'Urge for Going' question Question from the website... (be sure to copy Robert on any responses) - -------- Original Message -------- In the song "Urge for Going": does the line, "And not another man in town my darling's heart could win" -- does this mean no man other than the singer was able to win over his darling's heart? Or does it mean the opposite: that his darling was not able to win over the heart of any other man in town? (which is what I had always assumed, as it emphasizes the pitiful situation of the singer) Name: Robert Rotstein email: rrotstein@verizon.net ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 13:22:44 -0700 From: Les Irvin Subject: Re: Safe Habor Law NJC Exactly my thoughts as well. By the way, here's a PDF of the "Copyright Protection and Internet Fan Sites" document that may help save (or hang) me. https://dl.dropbox.com/u/8377478/CopyrightProtectionandInternetFanSites.pdf On 2/22/2013 1:13 PM, Anne Sandstrom wrote: > HI Les. > > Whoever owns the server where the site is (physically) located is the service provider. For example, my personal web site was hosted by hover.com. They owned the domain name and leased it to me and provided the server space for my site content. They were the service provider, not me. > > Does that help? > > Lots of love, > Anne > This e-mail message and all attachments transmitted with it may contain privileged and/or confidential information intended solely for the use of the addressee(s). If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any reading, dissemination, distribution, copying, forwarding or other use of this message or its attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this message, all attachments and all copies and backups thereof. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2013 #284 ***************************** ------- To post messages to the list, sendtojoni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------