From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2013 #280 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe:mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website:http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, February 22 2013 Volume 2013 : Number 280 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: lawsuit, njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: Kate McGarrigle and Joni [Catherine McKay ] Re: Kate McGarrigle and Joni [Garret ] Re: Unplugged & Jamming, Volume 1 [Bob Muller ] Re: lawsuit ["Cassy" ] Re: JMDL Digest V2013 #234 [gertus@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 06:24:08 -0800 (PST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: lawsuit, njc Sometimes there's legislation to cover these things and sometimes there isn't. In the absence of specific legislation, I'm guessing that the U.S., like Canada, uses British Common Law, where the one who creates the record is considered to be the one who owns it, so the photographer would own the rights, even if there weren't copy rights and so on. (This was a big issue here about access to one's own medical records, until the government made a law saying that people did have a right to a copy of their own medical record.) But, there are also lots of laws covering these things as well. It used to be (maybe still is in some places and in some cases) that you could take a picture of someone, with or without their consent. You probably still can, but I'm very leery of it myself because there have been some cases of people taking photos, without permission or knowledge, of women they consider "hot" or "not" and posting them on websites, which I think is completely inappropriate. I do know that my kids' schools and daycares always had parents sign a form to indicate whether it was OK or not for someone to take the kids' pictures while they were at school, and a lot of people would sign off saying that, under no circumstances, was their child to be photographed. They'd send out these forms this at the beginning of the school year but also again if someone might be coming in to photograph an event at the school. I've never been sure whether the "no photos" rule they apply at some concert is to protect the artists, to ensure that professional photographers or people with good cameras didn't somehow profit by selling photos, or to make it less annoying for people attending a concert, to not be distracted by flashes going off. I have no idea how paparazzi are able to get away with taking photos of famous people doing just about anything. I don't think that, just because a person is famous, it gives anyone the right to invade their privacy at any time. But that's going off topic. >________________________________ > From: Laurent Olszer >To: joni@smoe.org >Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 8:38:35 PM >Subject: lawsuit, njc > >Based on one of the comments today in Boingboing, does anybody know who owns >the rights to a photograph? Is it the photographer or the artist whose photo >was taken, with or without her permission? > >Laurent (singing Dog Eat Dog in his head) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 05:44:35 -0800 (PST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Kate McGarrigle and Joni At the tribute concert I went to last year, the entire group sang "Proserpina" and it was one of those moments that gave me a chill (the good kind of chill.) I think Martha and Rufus are also amazing. >________________________________ > From: Garret >To: Catherine McKay >Cc: Joni List >Sent: Friday, February 22, 2013 4:42:26 AM >Subject: Re: Kate McGarrigle and Joni > >Thanks for sharing this Catherine. > >I saw Martha Wainwright in concert last week. It was a solo acoustic >show in a church. She was fantastic. There was a moment when she >started singing Proserpina that was chilling as she sounded so much >like Kate. It was very beautiful. >Garret > >On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 3:38 PM, Catherine McKay wrote: >> I'm as much of a fan of Kate and Anna McGarrigle (and Bonnie for that matter) >> as I am of Joni. I'm on a Facebook group dedicated to Kate and Anna and also >> another group for a doc made about them called "Sing Me The Songs That Say I >> Love You ~ A Concert for Kate McGarrigle." On the "Sing me..." group, Rufus >> Wainwright says the following: >> b I know my mother wanted fame. She was >> jealous of Bonnie Raitt and Joni >> Mitchell. Part of her was aching for that >> kind of acceptance b and letb s face it, that kind of money. She struggled >> with that. But she wasnb t >> able to handle fame emotionally, to navigate it. >> She didnb t have the >> steely will to keep all the ducks in order. So she had >> to just focus on >> her songwriting. But the end product is incredible: She was >> able to >> experience and translate the full gamut of emotions women go through >> without any filter, without any ulterior motive, without trying to get >> anybodyb s pants off. Her catalogue was the best gift she could have >> given >> her children.b >> >> - Rufus Wainwright on his late mother, singer-songwriter >> Kate McGarrigle ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 09:42:26 +0000 From: Garret Subject: Re: Kate McGarrigle and Joni Thanks for sharing this Catherine. I saw Martha Wainwright in concert last week. It was a solo acoustic show in a church. She was fantastic. There was a moment when she started singing Proserpina that was chilling as she sounded so much like Kate. It was very beautiful. Garret On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 3:38 PM, Catherine McKay wrote: > I'm as much of a fan of Kate and Anna McGarrigle (and Bonnie for that matter) > as I am of Joni. I'm on a Facebook group dedicated to Kate and Anna and also > another group for a doc made about them called "Sing Me The Songs That Say I > Love You ~ A Concert for Kate McGarrigle." On the "Sing me..." group, Rufus > Wainwright says the following: > b I know my mother wanted fame. She was > jealous of Bonnie Raitt and Joni > Mitchell. Part of her was aching for that > kind of acceptance b and letb s face it, that kind of money. She struggled > with that. But she wasnb t > able to handle fame emotionally, to navigate it. > She didnb t have the > steely will to keep all the ducks in order. So she had > to just focus on > her songwriting. But the end product is incredible: She was > able to > experience and translate the full gamut of emotions women go through > without any filter, without any ulterior motive, without trying to get > anybodyb s pants off. Her catalogue was the best gift she could have > given > her children.b > > - Rufus Wainwright on his late mother, singer-songwriter > Kate McGarrigle ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 06:45:45 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Unplugged & Jamming, Volume 1 Hi Stephen - I know of and have it too. Many other JMDLer's do as well. It's a compilation CD's worth of stuff. Edmonton Folk Festival 1994 (Yvette In English, Cherokee Louise, Hejira) KCRW 9/12/94 (Night Ride Home, Just Like This Train, Moon At The Window, Magdalene Laundries, Sex Kills, Crazy Cries Of Love, Happiness Is The Best Facelift) "Glendale 10/25/94" (Sunny Sunday) Rolling Thunder Revue, 11/21/75 (Edith And The Kingpin, Don't Interrupt The Sorrow) Big Sur 9/69 (Woodstock, Get Together) Oceanway Studios 1988 w/Herbie, Wayne & Bobby McFerrin (Furry Sings The Blues, Hejira) Bob ________________________________ From: all.a.stew To: joni@smoe.org Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 9:20 AM Subject: Unplugged & Jamming, Volume 1 Does anyone have this or know of it? I'm getting back into the Goddess and don't want to miss a thing. - -- Stephen junkieintheattic.wordpress.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 00:58:12 -0800 From: "Cassy" Subject: Re: lawsuit I guess I missed this. No longer there. Cas - -----Original Message----- From: Lori Renee Fye Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 3:06 PM To: joni@smoe.org ; Mary Morris Subject: Re: lawsuit Sorry ... typo ... that should've been www.jonimitchell.com/justice.cfm Lori Wales - -- If there are lots of typos, I'm emailing from my phone. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 22:42:50 +0000 From: gertus@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2013 #234 Hi Carmel, Yes, I can hear Sandy too, very clearly. Also, one of her songs mentions "Chelsea Morning". She has a lot of talent and a lovely voice so it will be interesting to follow whatever path she takes. She iimmersed herself in British traditional music for a while and also has some classical training. I am delighted to see she has chosen to do some Bert Jansch songs. Glad you like her to, Jacky On 19 Feb 2013, at 18:39, carmel rotem wrote: > > > thanks Jacky! > > I listened to that link, as well as to some other songs of her on youtube and I really like them. > her style remindes me more of Sandy Denny than Joni, but anyway I'm sure she's influenced by both. > > really great find! > Carmel. > > > Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2013 09:03:38 -0500 (EST) > From: Gertus@aol.com > Subject: Olivia Chaney > > I haven't written anything to the list for eons but I just had alert people > to someone I have just discovered here in the UK. I was listening to a > folk program on BBC Radio and heard a track called Ballade by Olivia Chaney > and it was so beautiful I needed to know more about her. > _http://ochaney.amazingtunes.com/tunes/168523_ (http://ochaney.amazingtunes.com/tunes/168523) > I was amazed to find her lovely version of ACOY on YouTube. It's very much > a tribute version and, of course, she is being described as the new British > Joni Mitchell, something she will have to live with, but she is so > talented. Have a listen. _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VipgQCfu824_ > (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VipgQCfu824) > > Jacky > > ------------------------------ ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2013 #280 ***************************** ------- To post messages to the list, sendtojoni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------