From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2013 #242 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe:mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website:http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, February 18 2013 Volume 2013 : Number 242 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: JMDL Digest V2013 #233 [Kevin Foehr ] re: TS as JM in GLU [c Karma ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2013 07:54:53 -0800 (PST) From: Kevin Foehr Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2013 #233 Greetings, I think I missed the beginning of this thread, but doesn't The W of I sound very similar to Suzanne? I know it's not exactly the same as Suzanne, but parts of it seem nearly identical, no? An earlier post said W of I was written by Joni about LC, but it seems odd that he would then write a very similar song (musically) about another woman; doesn't it? Perhaps they had collaborated on developing the music and then she decided to let him have it instead of her? Or could she have written it first and then she let LC adapt it into Suzanne with his lyrics? And perhaps that is why it was never released on an album by Joni? Or was it released? I don't recall it on her early albums. Sorry if this was discussed already, but I looked back and couldn't find where it was. Thanks, Kevin ________________________________ From: JMDL Digest To: joni-digest@smoe.org Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2013 3:00 AM Subject: JMDL Digest V2013 #233 JMDL Digest Saturday, February 16 2013 Volume 2013 : Number 233 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: - -------- Re: The Wizard of Iz and Joni [Michael quebec Subject: Re: The Wizard of Iz and Joni Hi, Up here in Quebec, these stories are quite well documented. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suzanne_%28Leonard_Cohen_song%29 Suzanne's old room down by the (Montreal) harbour is now part of a boutique hotel. Apparently they were just friends... Michael in Quebec > Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 10:09:55 -0800 > From: Shari Eaton > Subject: Re: The Wizard of Iz and Joni > > Wow. Could Suzanne possibly be written about Joni? I've never heard this song before. Thank You! > > > On Feb 7, 2013, at 9:55 AM, est86mlm@ameritech.net wrote: > > > Here Joni sings the song, from 1967 > > > > Video > > http://jonimitchell.com/library/video.cfm?id=245 > > > > Lyrics > > http://jonimitchell.com/music/song.cfm?id=286 > > > > JoniMitchell.com is a wealth of info! > > > > Laura > > > > Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 11:56:01 -0500 (EST) > > From:hejira924@aol.com > > Subject: Met author of Leonard Cohen biography > > > > I heard Sylvie Simmons last night in NYC and had her sign a copy of her book > > I'm Your Man: The Life of Leonard Cohen. This is a must-read for lovers of > > Joni's early songs, specifically those written about the short-lived but > > highly influential love affair between these seminal singer-songwriters: > > "That Song About the Midway," "Rainy Night House," "The Priest," "Chelsea > > Morning," "The Gallery," and "A Case of You." > > Do yourself a favor and buy the book, but for any cheaters out there, go to a > > bookstore and read pages 173-175 to place these Joni songs in this context. > > The author also mentions a song Joni wrote about Leonard titled "The Wizard of > > Is" - has anybody ever heard this unreleased song or know where we can find > > the lyrics? Please, I am counting on one of you Joniphiles to let me know > > more if you do. > > Love to all! > > ------------------------------ > > End of JMDL Digest V2013 #208 > ***************************** > > ------- > To post messages to the list, sendtojoni@smoe.org. > Unsubscribe by clicking here: > mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe > ------- - ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2013 #233 ***************************** - ------- To post messages to the list, sendtojoni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe - ------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 20:48:36 +0000 From: c Karma Subject: re: TS as JM in GLU I have not offered much on this but I'll try to keep MHO short: Pertinant assumption first:The breadth of time that the book covers is probably too long to allow any one actress to play any of the three for the whole film, but let's suppose that there are "stars" with enough acting and musical chops plus/or production augmentation in the form of styling and makeup to pull it off... The big question:How is the balance found?: Does desire to widen the appeal of their art overcome the responsibility to depict the subjects with complete truth and dignity? Why can't we have both, one might ask? "Walk The Line" and "Ray" are pretty fine examples. If the former weighs heavily for you, you might advocate that it couldn't hurt to involve performers which millions of people would like to see succeed. I think all three women would agree that to some degree their public persona in their respective salad days (maybe even still) had a certain amount of spin applied. This is not unlike what Ms. Swift is living at the moment. If Taylor Swift can bring her tens of millions of fans to view herself getting even 30% of Joni right while exposing them to Joni's work, doesn't that help dry the paint on Joni's legacy? Swift might have the opportunity to turn more people on to Joni Mitchell (the real one) than Joni Mitchell (the real one)...certainly more than any of us, as hard as we try. It's so tempting a situation that the producers of the film could be considered negligent if they didn't consider it. The harder part for them if they go this route is coming up with two other Taylor Swifts so that the same audience will pay attention to the two other subjects' stories. I'd suggest J-Law as Carole (please let her be able to sing), and Zooey Deschanel as Carly (we know she can). CC "A camera pans the cocktail hour behind a blind of potted palms and finds a lady in a Paris dress, with runs in her nylons." -- JM ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2013 #242 ***************************** ------- To post messages to the list, sendtojoni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------