From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2013 #227 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe:mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website:http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, February 13 2013 Volume 2013 : Number 227 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: When? [Michael Paz ] Re: TS is no Joni [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: TS is no Joni [Catherine McKay ] Re: TS is no Joni ["Eaton, Shari" ] Re: TS is no Joni [Richard Flynn ] Re: TS is no Joni, vocal coaches njc [shadows and light Subject: Re: When? Still working on this for potential Labor Day get together. Cannot commit as yet do to work issues but it is highly likely we can pull it together. Luv Paz On Feb 12, 2013, at 9:18 AM, LC Stanley wrote: When are we going to meet again in that continental Paz suite and sing to people 30 stories down? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpiSMceXa7c ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 10:22:14 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: TS is no Joni Not to mention that a major studio is going to employ makeup folks, costume folks, lighting, camera lenses, etc in order to physically duplicate Joni's look as best they can. Their objective is NOT to best capture Joni or project her genius, their objective is to MAKE MONEY. Using TS as opposed to an unknown actress locks them into a lot of box office. It was no mere coincidence that TS kicked off the Grammys. Her involvement with Girls Like Us assures a certain level of success. Make no mistake, everyone wants their work to be commercially successful. Some artists, like Joni, refuse to compromise their artistic side (some of her 80's stuff notwithstanding) in order to achieve that success, others will do it in a heartbeat or in the case of film are mandated to do it by the Producers who are funding the work expecting to reap a profit on their investment. Bob - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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I just hope they use a good vocal/accent coach who won't make her sound like the parody of Canadians we so often hear on American TV, with the "aboots" and the "ehs." >________________________________ > From: "Bob.Muller@Fluor.com" >To: Gerald Kent >Cc: "joni@smoe.org" ; Kevin Foehr >Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 10:22:14 AM >Subject: Re: TS is no Joni > >Not to mention that a major studio is going to employ makeup folks, >costume folks, lighting, camera lenses, etc in order to physically >duplicate Joni's look as best they can. > >Their objective is NOT to best capture Joni or project her genius, their >objective is to MAKE MONEY. Using TS as opposed to an unknown actress >locks them into a lot of box office. It was no mere coincidence that TS >kicked off the Grammys. Her involvement with Girls Like Us assures a >certain level of success. > >Make no mistake, everyone wants their work to be commercially successful. >Some artists, like Joni, refuse to compromise their artistic side (some of >her 80's stuff notwithstanding) in order to achieve that success, others >will do it in a heartbeat or in the case of film are mandated to do it by >the Producers who are funding the work expecting to reap a profit on their >investment. > >Bob >------------------------------------------------------------ >The information transmitted is intended only for the person >or entity to which it is addressed and may contain >proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. >If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are >hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, >distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon >this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please >contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. > >Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual >sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. >------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 09:45:35 -0800 From: "Eaton, Shari" Subject: Re: TS is no Joni Second that! On Feb 13, 2013, at 8:31 AM, Susan Tierney McNamara wrote: > Hi Gerald, > > I'm sure I'm not the only one who would love to hear about your experiences seeing Joni pre-California!!! > > Sue > > Susan Tierney McNamara > email: sem8@cornell.edu > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Gerald Kent > Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 10:01 AM > To: Kevin Foehr > Cc: joni@smoe.org; sendtojoni@smoe.org > Subject: Re: TS is no Joni > > I am sorry to disagree Kevin. In her early days joni was very much the "glamor girl" wearing silver mini skirts and very bright lip stick and looking incredibly good. I had the very great pleasure of seeing her in the village in her early 60's per California valley days. > > Sent from my iPad > > On Feb 13, 2013, at 9:33 AM, Kevin Foehr wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> I haven't commented on this yet, but I am increasingly disappointed >> that this idea of TS playing Joni persists. IMHO, TS is no Joni and >> shouldn't play her. She will taint the representation of Joni with >> her own persona of mainstream pop success, bright red lipstick, glam, etc. >> >> Joni was never >> mainstream, and she was not into glam in the 60s. Look at her on the >> cover of FTR; does that look like TS? And I don't mean just her physical features. >> I'm talking about her clothes and make-up and the backdrop/location >> conveying environmentalism, natural beauty, individuality (not >> glamorous fashion), solitude, and peace. This is the image of Joni I >> would like to see conveyed in the movie, if there is to be one, and imo, TS can't pull that off. >> >> Secondly, I really doubt TS would agree to play Joni at this point in >> her career. I don't follow pop music these days, but it appears she >> is near the top of the heap and near the zenith of her career, so I >> don't think she would want to portray someone else. She would want to >> portray herself, if she did a movie. I.e., I think she has become too >> big to play Joni (even though we know she is no where close to being as great a talent / genius as Joni). >> >> I think >> it would take an unknown actress to pull it off. Joni is unique, so >> imo, the actress has to be a blank slate in order to paint Joni's >> unique persona and story upon it. >> >> TS would always be TS in the movie, never Joni. So for TS to play her >> would be a travesty. Joni deserves much better. And many who have >> been fans of hers for decades, like me, would be deeply disappointed >> to see her image besmirched by an inaccurate portrayal of her and her >> work and all she has stood for. >> >> Kevin >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: JMDL >> Digest >> To: joni-digest@smoe.org >> Sent: Tuesday, >> February 12, 2013 1:26 PM >> Subject: JMDL Digest V2013 #225 >> >> >> JMDL Digest >> Tuesday, February 12 2013 Volume 2013 : Number 225 >> >> >> >> ========== >> TOPICS and authors in this Digest: >> -------- >> Re: JMDL Digest V2013 #222 >> [Catherine McKay ] >> Re: JMDL Digest V2013 #222 >> [LC Stanley ] >> Re: She will never, never, >> never... ["Randy Remote" > Re: She will never, never, >> never... [Shari Eaton ] >> Re: She will never, never, >> never...NJC [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] >> New Library item: The show >> goes on [TheStaff@JoniMitchell.com] >> Re: She will never, never, >> never... [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] >> >> =?UTF-8?Q?New_Library_item:_Whitney_Houston_Remembere?= >> =?UTF-8?Q?d_at_Clive_Davis=E2=80=99s_All_Star_Pre_Grammy_Bash?= [] >> RE: JMDL >> Digest V2013 #222 [Mary Morris ] >> When? >> [LC Stanley ] >> Re: Piano >> transcriptions! ["Randy Remote" ] >> Re: She >> will never, never, never... [Michael Flaherty > Re: She >> will never, never, never...NJC [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] >> Re: She >> will never, never, never...NJC [Shari Eaton Subject: Re: TS is no Joni I am no fan of TS, but I'm neutral about whether or not she plays Joni in the movie. The bigger question is: with the need to clear so many rights and permissions for music in the film, will it really ever be made? Richard Flynn Professor of Literature Georgia Southern University https://sites.google.com/a/georgiasouthern.edu/rflynn/ On Feb 13, 2013, at 10:22 AM, Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: > Not to mention that a major studio is going to employ makeup folks, > costume folks, lighting, camera lenses, etc in order to physically > duplicate Joni's look as best they can. > > Their objective is NOT to best capture Joni or project her genius, their > objective is to MAKE MONEY. Using TS as opposed to an unknown actress > locks them into a lot of box office. It was no mere coincidence that TS > kicked off the Grammys. Her involvement with Girls Like Us assures a > certain level of success. > > Make no mistake, everyone wants their work to be commercially successful. > Some artists, like Joni, refuse to compromise their artistic side (some of > her 80's stuff notwithstanding) in order to achieve that success, others > will do it in a heartbeat or in the case of film are mandated to do it by > the Producers who are funding the work expecting to reap a profit on their > investment. > > Bob > ------------------------------------------------------------ > The information transmitted is intended only for the person > or entity to which it is addressed and may contain > proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. > If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are > hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, > distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon > this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please > contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. > > Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual > sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. > ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 10:52:33 -0800 From: shadows and light Subject: Re: TS is no Joni, vocal coaches njc one can hope the actor will nail joni's laugh. she does end sentences with "eh" sometimes. haha On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 9:29 AM, Catherine McKay wrote: > > No matter who plays Joni, one hopes they will do what they can to make her > look and sound as much like Joni as possible. I just hope they use a good > vocal/accent coach who won't make her sound like the parody of Canadians > we so > often hear on American TV, with the "aboots" and the "ehs." > >________________________________ > > From: "Bob.Muller@Fluor.com" > > >To: Gerald Kent > >Cc: > "joni@smoe.org" ; Kevin Foehr > >Sent: > Wednesday, February 13, 2013 10:22:14 AM > >Subject: Re: TS is no Joni > > > >Not > to mention that a major studio is going to employ makeup folks, > >costume > folks, lighting, camera lenses, etc in order to physically > >duplicate Joni's > look as best they can. > > > >Their objective is NOT to best capture Joni or > project her genius, their > >objective is to MAKE MONEY. Using TS as opposed to > an unknown actress > >locks them into a lot of box office. It was no mere > coincidence that TS > >kicked off the Grammys. Her involvement with Girls Like > Us assures a > >certain level of success. > > > >Make no mistake, everyone wants > their work to be commercially successful. > >Some artists, like Joni, refuse to > compromise their artistic side (some of > >her 80's stuff notwithstanding) in > order to achieve that success, others > >will do it in a heartbeat or in the > case of film are mandated to do it by > >the Producers who are funding the work > expecting to reap a profit on their > >investment. > > > >Bob > >------------------------------------------------------------ > >The information > transmitted is intended only for the person > >or entity to which it is > addressed and may contain > >proprietary, business-confidential and/or > privileged material. > >If you are not the intended recipient of this message > you are > >hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, > >distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon > >this > message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please > >contact the > sender and delete the material from any computer. > > > >Any views expressed in > this message are those of the individual > >sender and may not necessarily > reflect the views of the company. > >------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2013 #227 ***************************** ------- To post messages to the list, sendtojoni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------