From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2013 #226 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe:mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website:http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, February 13 2013 Volume 2013 : Number 226 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: Taylor Swift ["Robert Sartorius" ] Re: Without a Net NJC [Rachel Avery ] Jewel on Leno tonight, njc [jlhommedieu@insight.rr.com] Howard mentions Joni, twice [Betsy ] Re: She will never, never, never...NJC [Shari Eaton ] Re: JMDL Digest V2013 #222 [Catherine McKay ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 23:15:07 -0500 From: "Robert Sartorius" Subject: RE: Taylor Swift Since Taylor Swift is now automatically Joni content, I will not use the NJC tag, either. I do not like "ditto head" messages, but I would like Dan to know that I am with him 100% (even though I am not a jazz enthusiast). So, I break my own rule. Bobsart. Dan wrote: "People: I don't understand why everyone feels a need to show their devotion to Joni by speaking ill of Taylor Swift. You may not like her style of music; you may not like her choice of song to perform (if indeed it was her choice); you may not like the way the grammy's has evolved into the freak show that it now is; you may resent the fact that TS is financially successful and has millions of devoted fans; You may think TS has no talent, but you are wrong about that. Maybe TS has not invented an entirely original and unique guitar technique as Joni has. But no one else has either. You may not like her music, but she is way more talented and original than MANY other successful contemporary musicians. She writes her own songs; she produces records; she's what? 22 years old? And she looks exactly like Joni did in 1967. Don't get me wrong - I don't buy her records, and I'm not one of her devoted fans. I'm a jazz enthusiast, and I've had to defend Joni to countless jazz snobs. I respect creativity in all of it's forms, and cannot stand by while everyone unfairly dumps on TS. ~Dan" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 23:00:07 -0500 From: Rachel Avery Subject: Re: Without a Net NJC I am indeed still here, just terribly behind on e-mails! it's still great to read the list when i can, mostly just busy with school these days though. That was indeed an astounding show--what a musician. Great to hear he's got a new one coming out, if i come across a copy i'll definitely give it a listen. thanks for the heads-up Betsy! On 3 February 2013 20:22, Catherine McKay wrote: > Saw him with Blade et al at Massey Hall with our friend Rachel (are you > still > here, Rache?) a couple of years ago. I was mesmerized. He is freakin' > awesome. > And he is almost 80! I wish I were a musician or an artist of some kind. > Imagine having a life where you could do what you love to do, have a lot of > fun, and get paid for it? > > > > > > >________________________________ > > From: > shadows and light > >To: Bob Muller > > >Cc: Betsy ; "joni@smoe.org" > > >Sent: Sunday, February 3, 2013 5:44:44 PM > >Subject: Re: > Without a Net NJC > > > >oh, it sounds like he is. he's coming here to disney > hall on the 9th, but > >it's already sold out. i love brian blade's drumming. > > > >On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 1:35 PM, Bob Muller wrote: > > > >> > I would hope that Wayne is also. > >> Bob > >> > >> > >> > ________________________________ > >> From: Betsy > >> > To: joni@smoe.org > >> Sent: Sunday, February 3, 2013 2:59 PM > >> Subject: > Without a Net NJC > >> > >> An I the only one excited about Wayne Shorter's new > album? > >> > >> Betsy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 19:15:50 -0500 From: jlhommedieu@insight.rr.com Subject: Jewel on Leno tonight, njc There is a new episode of Leno tonight with Jewel. Musical guests always appear in the last four minutes. Jim L ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 22:00:24 -0800 From: Betsy Subject: Howard mentions Joni, twice Recently I heard Howard Stern say "You don't know what you got 'til it's gone. Joni Mitchell, Big Yellow Taxi." And in a completely different conversation, in the same week, he said "You don't know how good you have it until it's gone. Joni Mitchell said that." I just thought it was interesting that he mentioned her specifically both times, but didn't get the quote exactly the same. If only I had paid attention to the context. Best, Betsy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 08:32:06 -0800 From: Shari Eaton Subject: Re: She will never, never, never...NJC As simply as I can .. We have no jive now. You're making leaps of judgement with statements like 'previous generations felt that way too,' or 'business made major transformation between then and now.' Either way those two things would happen. They don't negate that the American Idol paradigm shift is the ugliest of all and leaves us with nothing. Sent from my Pimped-out Flying Carpet On Feb 12, 2013, at 7:52 AM, Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: > Comparing popular music of the 30s to the 70s isn't as ridiculous as our current comparison.> > > Why not? I'd like to hear what your thoughts are. From the early 30's to the early 70's music and the business made major transformational changes in terms of what kind of music was popular, how it was marketed and distributed and how it was presented. You could say exactly the same things about music and the business in the subsequent 40 years. There are just as many people who say that the tin-pan-alley jazzier 30's were far superior to the 70's. Every generation thinks their music is the best, although I would say that the current generation sees music as much more disposable than previous generations, possibly due to the lact of actual 'product' in your possession. > > Never has it been so downright dollar led.> > > What is your criteria for this statement? I would say that the payola "pay-for-play" days were by definition more dollar led than where we are now. But I'm open to persuasion. > > Bob > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > The information transmitted is intended only for the person > or entity to which it is addressed and may contain > proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. > If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are > hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, > distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon > this message is prohibited. 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Sally in DC joining you in the Bitch Fest Sent from Confunction Junction on my iPhone On Feb 10, 2013, at 11:26 PM, "Mark" wrote: > ...play Joni Mitchell. One hopes. I just saw Taylor Swift a few minutes ago as the opening act of the Grammy Awards show. I thought I was watching 'For the Benefit of Mr. Kite' or something from the Beatles 'Magical Mystery Tour'. Or maybe a Rolling Stones concert. And all for some ditty that basically was about its repeated chorus 'We will never, never, never get back together'. For the right song or dream sequence from a movie I suppose the production might have been impressive. But, for me anyway, it was much ado about very little. > > Can anyone ever imagine Joni performing in such a ridiculous setting? > > No. Real talent speaks for itself. > > Mark in Seattle > feeling bitchy tonight ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 10:09:07 -0800 (PST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2013 #222 I didn't watch the Grammies, but did see a tiny blip of Taylor Swift's bizarre act on the news. Classic case of how overblown the entertainment biz is these days. So many of them can't sing, but surround them with dancers and effects and lots of hooplah and maybe no one will notice. My problem with people like Jewel and Cate Blanchett is their age: Jewel is 38 and Cate B is 43. Can they make either of them look like a 20-year-old Joni? Can they act the part? I'm sure Cate B could, because, IMO, she can do anything. (But can she sing?) And then, Jewel can sing and she has also acted, I believe. Trying to think of someone young enough, I wonder if Jennifer Lawrence could do it? She's only 22 and she's a great actor. >________________________________ > From: Mary Morris >To: JONIMITCHELL DISCUSSION LIST >Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 10:51:54 AM >Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2013 #222 > >Mark writes " Can anyone ever imagine Joni performing in such a ridiculous >setting?" > >Mark, > >Couldn't agree with you more. They could've cranked up the mike volume & she >still would be weak. It would be a travesty to put TS next to Joni in any >context. She C A N ' T S I N G. If we must cast young, how about Jewel ? >At least she can sing. I want Kate Blanchett to play her though.....I mean, >she played Dylan, right ? > > > > > > > > > GREETINGS FROM THE TRIPLE M Down a gravel road, where the barb wire >meets the sky. MARY M. MORRIS ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2013 #226 ***************************** ------- To post messages to the list, sendtojoni@smoe.org. 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