From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2013 #225 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe:mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website:http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, February 12 2013 Volume 2013 : Number 225 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: JMDL Digest V2013 #222 [Catherine McKay ] Re: JMDL Digest V2013 #222 [LC Stanley ] Re: She will never, never, never... ["Randy Remote" ] Re: She will never, never, never...NJC [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] New Library item: The show goes on [TheStaff@JoniMitchell.com] Re: She will never, never, never... [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] =?UTF-8?Q?New_Library_item:_Whitney_Houston_Remembere?= =?UTF-8?Q?d_at_Clive_Davis=E2=80=99s_All_Star_Pre_Grammy_Bash?= [] RE: JMDL Digest V2013 #222 [Mary Morris ] When? [LC Stanley ] Re: Piano transcriptions! ["Randy Remote" ] Re: She will never, never, never... [Michael Flaherty Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2013 #222 "Argument" was a poor choice of words. I wrote "conversation" at first, but thought it was a bit more than a conversation, so I changed it. Could have said "discussion" I supposed, but didn't think of it. I don't want it to be a bad movie, either. I think that doing any kind of biography is problematic and one of the main sticking points is when we know what the real person looks like and sounds like. If you get someone who doesn't look or sound enough like the person, then they have to be a very good actor to make us believe they're who they're supposed to be. When they get into prosthetic noses and so on, all I notice is the putty on their face. It's going to be what it will be. >________________________________ > From: Mary Morris >To: Catherine McKay ; jmdl >Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 11:16:49 AM >Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2013 #222 > >Catherine, >I don't view it as an argument, but a discussion. Isn't it reasonable that we >want to see Joni in such a way that it enhances her artistry, not make a >mockery of it? Anyway, a movie is unnecessary; it's better to go to the >source, but if a movie brings her new listeners, I'm all for it, I just don't >want it to be a bad movie. Carole King & Carly Simon deserve a little respect >too & a bad movie would bring no one any respect. > > > > > > > >Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 05:40:27 -0800 >From: anima_rising@yahoo.ca >Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2013 #222 >To: joni2city@hotmail.com > > >Regardless of what anyone says, it's not our choice anyway and sometimes I >wonder why people get into this particular argument, except for the fact that >sometimes it's fun to just bitch about things! It's possible that they will >use Taylor Swift (assuming this film ever gets made) and that she will do very >well. It's also possible that, no matter who they choose, it will suck. I hope >it doesn't though! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 05:39:51 -0800 (PST) From: LC Stanley Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2013 #222 Taylor did look like a dancin' clown opening the Grammies. I love this Joni video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73IvazD2u6c There's a kitchen floor for you Marianne! The kitty cat... I would like to see a Canadian play Joni in Girls Like Us. Taylor might be able to look the part with a little help, but can she sing and talk it? Love, Laura ________________________________ From: Catherine McKay To: Mary Morris ; JONIMITCHELL DISCUSSION LIST Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 12:09 PM Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2013 #222 I didn't watch the Grammies, but did see a tiny blip of Taylor Swift's bizarre act on the news. Classic case of how overblown the entertainment biz is these days. So many of them can't sing, but surround them with dancers and effects and lots of hooplah and maybe no one will notice. My problem with people like Jewel and Cate Blanchett is their age: Jewel is 38 and Cate B is 43. Can they make either of them look like a 20-year-old Joni? Can they act the part? I'm sure Cate B could, because, IMO, she can do anything. (But can she sing?) And then, Jewel can sing and she has also acted, I believe. Trying to think of someone young enough, I wonder if Jennifer Lawrence could do it? She's only 22 and she's a great actor. >________________________________ > From: Mary Morris >To: JONIMITCHELL DISCUSSION LIST >Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 10:51:54 AM >Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2013 #222 > >Mark writes " Can anyone ever imagine Joni performing in such a ridiculous >setting?" > >Mark, > >Couldn't agree with you more. They could've cranked up the mike volume & she >still would be weak. It would be a travesty to put TS next to Joni in any >context. She C A N ' T S I N G. If we must cast young, how about Jewel ? >At least she can sing. I want Kate Blanchett to play her though.....I mean, >she played Dylan, right ? > > > > > > > > > GREETINGS FROM THE TRIPLE M Down a gravel road, where the barb wire >meets the sky. MARY M. MORRIS ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 21:26:08 -0800 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: She will never, never, never... I have had the opportunity/obligation to listen to two complete Taylor Swift CDs. Most of the songs sounded pretty much the same, there were a couple I thought were good, including the aforementioned "We'll never ever ever....". Even better is one called "Begin Again", one of her few without co-writers. You gotta remember, this is POP MUSIC! Pop music usually sucks anyway. It could be alot worse than t.swizzle (and usually is). I liked the opening number, I thought she was cuter than hell, and wasn't lip-syncing as far as I could tell. RR ps what was up with that Forrest Gump song by Frank Ocean? I kept saying "is this a joke???" Talk about wtf. Jack White rocked out. Rihanna's subdued number was well done and classy. And I liked fun., who I've just become aware of. They gave Chick Corea and Stanley Clarke, like one minute to condense some Brubeck, but that's life, that's what all the peeple say... From: "Dan Olson" > I don't understand why everyone feels a need to show their devotion to > Joni > by speaking ill of Taylor Swift. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 07:33:05 -0800 From: Shari Eaton Subject: Re: She will never, never, never... Personally, I'm not expecting to enjoy the film and I don't have much emotional investment in Taylor Swift either way so I'm really impartial. It's just sad where the industry has gone. You have to admit it's a pretty extreme and ugly change. Comparing popular music of the 30s to the 70s isn't as ridiculous as our current comparison. Never has it been so downright dollar led. Taylor is only as successful as she is because of that schism. This isn't justjared.com. I'm about as interested in discussing Miss Swift as I am gnawing off my arm. We don't have a say in who will play Joni. (Do we?) So I wouldn't mind putting this topic to bed. Or at least down for a long afternoon nap. Sent from my Pimped-out Flying Carpet On Feb 12, 2013, at 6:41 AM, Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: > Well stated, Dan - I don't think we ever are successful trying to build > someone up by tearing someone else down. And as Randy said, the comparison > is not even very legitimate. Comparing the music industry in 2013 to the > music business in 1972 is like comparing 1972 to 40 years prior. And who > would compare popular music and artists of the 30's to music of the 70's? > You could but it doesn't make a lot of sense. Joni is who she is and > Taylor is who she is. Both are successful in their own right. > > Bob > ------------------------------------------------------------ > The information transmitted is intended only for the person > or entity to which it is addressed and may contain > proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. > If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are > hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, > distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon > this message is prohibited. 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Every generation thinks their music is the best, although I would say that the current generation sees music as much more disposable than previous generations, possibly due to the lact of actual 'product' in your possession. Never has it been so downright dollar led.> What is your criteria for this statement? I would say that the payola "pay-for-play" days were by definition more dollar led than where we are now. But I'm open to persuasion. Bob - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. 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And who would compare popular music and artists of the 30's to music of the 70's? You could but it doesn't make a lot of sense. Joni is who she is and Taylor is who she is. Both are successful in their own right. Bob - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 10:01:43 -0700 (MST) From: TheStaff@JoniMitchell.com Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?New_Library_item:_Whitney_Houston_Remembere?= =?UTF-8?Q?d_at_Clive_Davis=E2=80=99s_All_Star_Pre_Grammy_Bash?= Title: Whitney Houston Remembered at Clive Davisbs All Star Pre Grammy Bash Publication: Showbiz 411 Date: 2013.2.10 http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=2547 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 08:16:49 -0800 From: Mary Morris Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2013 #222 Catherine, I don't view it as an argument, but a discussion. Isn't it reasonable that we want to see Joni in such a way that it enhances her artistry, not make a mockery of it? Anyway, a movie is unnecessary; it's better to go to the source, but if a movie brings her new listeners, I'm all for it, I just don't want it to be a bad movie. Carole King & Carly Simon deserve a little respect too & a bad movie would bring no one any respect. GREETINGS FROM THE TRIPLE M Down a gravel road, where the barb wire meets the sky. MARY M. MORRIS Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 05:40:27 -0800 From: anima_rising@yahoo.ca Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2013 #222 To: joni2city@hotmail.com Regardless of what anyone says, it's not our choice anyway and sometimes I wonder why people get into this particular argument, except for the fact that sometimes it's fun to just bitch about things! It's possible that they will use Taylor Swift (assuming this film ever gets made) and that she will do very well. It's also possible that, no matter who they choose, it will suck. I hope it doesn't though! From: Mary Morris To: Catherine McKay Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 6:17:54 PM Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2013 #222 Catherine, Yes, the age of the actresses is a little old. Hmm..? Jennifer Lawrence.....she has the toughness to play our lady of the canyons. Can she sing ? Can she lip sync ? Who will sing any of those artists in the film ? I would like the film to end with the real singing on the soundtrack, like what happened in "What's Love Got To Do With It" when the film sort of melted into the real performance of Tina Turner. GREETINGS FROM THE TRIPLE M Down a gravel road, where the barb wire meets the sky. MARY M. MORRIS Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 10:09:07 -0800 From: anima_rising@yahoo.ca Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2013 #222 To: joni2city@hotmail.com; joni@smoe.org I didn't watch the Grammies, but did see a tiny blip of Taylor Swift's bizarre act on the news. Classic case of how overblown the entertainment biz is these days. So many of them can't sing, but surround them with dancers and effects and lots of hooplah and maybe no one will notice. My problem with people like Jewel and Cate Blanchett is their age: Jewel is 38 and Cate B is 43. Can they make either of them look like a 20-year-old Joni? Can they act the part? I'm sure Cate B could, because, IMO, she can do anything. (But can she sing?) And then, Jewel can sing and she has also acted, I believe. Trying to think of someone young enough, I wonder if Jennifer Lawrence could do it? She's only 22 and she's a great actor. From: Mary Morris To: JONIMITCHELL DISCUSSION LIST Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 10:51:54 AM Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2013 #222 Mark writes " Can anyone ever imagine Joni performing in such a ridiculous setting?" Mark, Couldn't agree with you more. They could've cranked up the mike volume & she still would be weak. It would be a travesty to put TS next to Joni in any context. She C A N ' T S I N G. If we must cast young, how about Jewel ? At least she can sing. I want Kate Blanchett to play her though.....I mean, she played Dylan, right ? GREETINGS FROM THE TRIPLE M Down a gravel road, where the barb wire meets the sky. MARY M. MORRIS ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 07:18:40 -0800 (PST) From: LC Stanley Subject: When? When are we going to meet again in that continental Paz suite and sing to people 30 stories down? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpiSMceXa7c ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2013 13:02:46 -0800 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: Piano transcriptions! Congrats-that's freakin' awesome !! From: "Dave Blackburn" > FTR piano charts done.check! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 08:54:49 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Flaherty Subject: Re: She will never, never, never... I don't know who is doing this film, but if it's a major studio they will want whoever can bring in the box office. She can do that. I'm not happy about the idea either.... Michael F. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 12:32:27 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: She will never, never, never...NJC As simply as I can .. We have no jive now.> Whatever that means. Speaking in cliche is always simpler than speaking in specifics. For me, music in 2012 had lots of jive. You're either looking in the wrong places or the wrong genres or just flat out not digging deeply enough. And remember - the same year Joni released Clouds and won a Grammy for it, the #1 song of the year was "Sugar, Sugar" by The Archies. Bob - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. 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I am speaking on impressions and am open to the idea that there is more richness in our music than I am aware. On Feb 12, 2013, at 9:32 AM, Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: > As simply as I can .. We have no jive now.> > > Whatever that means. Speaking in cliche is always simpler than speaking in specifics. For me, music in 2012 had lots of jive. You're either looking in the wrong places or the wrong genres or just flat out not digging deeply enough. > > And remember - the same year Joni released Clouds and won a Grammy for it, the #1 song of the year was "Sugar, Sugar" by The Archies. > > Bob > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > The information transmitted is intended only for the person > or entity to which it is addressed and may contain > proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. > If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are > hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, > distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon > this message is prohibited. 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