From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2013 #187 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe:mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website:http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, February 1 2013 Volume 2013 : Number 187 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Steely Dan cover? [Dave Blackburn ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 14:52:09 -0800 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: Steely Dan cover? I knew about the dangling J in Aja appealing to her artist's eye. As for Wayne Shorter, I don't know about that. She was a Miles Davis fan and would possibly have heard Wayne's work with Miles in the 60s. I'm not sure how early she became a Miles fan though. The moment she met Jaco, sometime in '76, he would have been talking her up to the rest of his new band Weather Report, of which Wayne of course was the co-leader. That may have been when they first met. Wayne didn't recorded with Steely Dan until 1978 a year after he had already played on DJRD. I imagine Joni's meeting Jaco led to interest in her music by Wayne and Herbie Hancock and of course we know that Charles Mingus liked what he heard on DJRD and called her to collaborate. By 1979 her jazz cred was well established enough for Pat Metheny, Lyle Mays and Michael Brecker to consider going on the road with her- pretty amazing considering their own careers were in top gear at that point. On Feb 1, 2013, at 2:08 PM, Raffaele Malanga wrote: > Thanks for the interesting insight, Dave. I have to agree with your picks, maybe all of Hissing could easily be done by SD. > > The connections are many. Didn't Joni say that the dangling letter J in Aja made her choose the title for Hejira? > > And didn't she started collaborating with Wayne Shorter because of his work with SD? > > Subject: Re: Steely Dan cover? > From: beatntrack@sbcglobal.net > Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 09:46:48 -0800 > CC: r_malanga@hotmail.com; joni@smoe.org > To: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com > > Well, Bob, since you ask, I'd say something like Edith and the Kingpin or Harry's House is straight up Steely Dan, harmonically and lyrically. Just think of Fagen's voice (at least his former voice - it's pretty shot now) singing "he tilts their tired faces gently to the spoon." Add to that the fact that, in the mid 70s, Joni and SD were using a lot of the same musicians: Larry Carlton, Victor Feldman, Tom Scott, Chuck Findley, and Wilton Felder, off the top of my head. So even their records sounded similar. And, as I have written before, there is even a specific chord, called the Major 9 (no 3rd) ex. G with a C bass, that Joni more or less pioneered in pop/rock music and it became a staple of Fagen and Becker's writing a couple of years later. I can well imagine them as fans of Joni's and being heavily influenced by her harmonic and lyrical innovations. What they brought to the table was an R&B funk bed that Joni didn't exploit much, although the L.A Express sort of funkified a few things on their own - Love or Money, for example. I remember reading somewhere that Joni admired Steely Dan's music too, so it was rather a mutual admiration society. > > This is a good thread to pursue as there are lots of overlaps between the two artists. > > Dave > > > On Feb 1, 2013, at 7:36 AM, Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: > > I dunno, I've tried to hear The Dan doing Carey and have never been able to wrap my head around it, musically or lyrically. Not sure there's ONE that jumps out as a good fit for them. Dave? > > Bob > > > > > From: Raffaele Malanga > To: "bob.muller@fluor.com" > Cc: "joni@smoe.org" > Date: 02/01/2013 10:23 AM > Subject: RE: Steely Dan cover? > > > > Thanks Bob. Of course the song was Carey... What else Fagen & Becker could have chosen as their cover. Can't picture them harmonizing on The Circle Game! > > Raf. > > To: r_malanga@hotmail.com > CC: joni@smoe.org > Subject: Re: Steely Dan cover? > From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com > Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 07:55:56 -0500 > > Hi Raf, always great to hear from a long-time friend. Supposedly they recorded "Carey" for that record but that's been a rumor, not sure that it REALLY happened despite what this article says. > > Bob------------------------------------------------------------ > The information transmitted is intended only for the person > or entity to which it is addressed and may contain > proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. > If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are > hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, > distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon > this message is prohibited. 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