From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2013 #1748 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe:mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website:http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, December 4 2013 Volume 2013 : Number 1748 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Paprika Plains [Dave Blackburn ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2013 10:58:15 -0800 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: Paprika Plains Jim, Ah, Songs of a Prairie Girl is one of the few I dont have. As to your point about Joni wanting the listener to get to the louder section much later in PP, she could not have foreseen the modern listeners attention span or the typical listening environments people have now, far removed from the living room hi-fi of the 70s. There is also a limit on how quiet a signal can be recorded before the tape hiss and surface noise of an LP makes it unlistenable. The tone even thins out considerably from the preamps not working at their optimum gain. I suspect her artistic vision for the dynamic journey of PP, valid in itself, took priority over these things if she considered them much at all. Dave On Dec 4, 2013, at 10:08 AM, jlhommedieu@insight.rr.com wrote: > Randy Remote wrote an essay about PP when the SoAPG compilation was released. I'm pretty sure that Les added it to the Library. > > Joni paid to have the pitches fixed. There is a great back story about the piano parts and Charles Mingus. All of that is great reading and it is in the Library too. > > If I remember right, she hired a recording engineer who used digital tools like Pro Tools to fix the piano pitches. > > The original mix homogenized the different piano parts with equalization. In the remix, it sounds to me like less eq was applied. When played at full volume on good equipment, you can hear that piano sound changes from section to section. It sounds a little like lid-up / lid-down differences. > > On LP, the beginning was cut at a lower volume because Joni wanted it to get MUCH louder when the band kicks in again. There is a limit to how loudly a signal can be cut into a record. The major labels set a low maximum to accommodate cheap record players. Generally, the painfully expensive record players can easily play much louder levels than those found on pop records. > > As far as I know, DJRD still has the original version on it. > > BTW, just about every book about Joni (written since the site existed) has cited jonimitchell.com in the bibliography. > > Jim > >> i have remix questions. Why was the line "Gotta get some air" cut? I was > kind of attached to it, although I don't think the song suffers without it. > Who decided to push the project forward? Was any digital pitch correction > done? Why was the volume so low in the first part of the original?< ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2013 #1748 ****************************** ------- To post messages to the list, sendtojoni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------