From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2013 #1681 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe:mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website:http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, November 22 2013 Volume 2013 : Number 1681 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Strange Boy [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] A Strange Boy [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: Hejira in HD NJC now [Dave Blackburn ] RE: A Strange Boy [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] RE: A Strange Boy ["Susan E. McNamara" ] Re: A Strange Boy [Dave Blackburn ] Re: Hejira in HD [Michael Paz ] Re: A Strange Boy [Anita ] RE: Strange Boy [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: A Strange Boy [Anita ] Re: A Strange Boy [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] That thread about the hi rez, njc [jlhommedieu@insight.rr.com] RE: A Strange Boy ["Susan E. McNamara" ] Re: Hejira in HD [Jack Merkel ] RE: Strange Boy [Mike B ] Re: A Strange Boy [Dave Blackburn ] RE: Strange Boy [Mike B ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 09:33:44 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Strange Boy Mike, thanks for that - what do you (or any of you) make of these lines: "He sees the cars as sets of waves, sequences of mass and space" ? Bob NP: Randy Newman, "The World Isn't Fair" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. 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Back in the day when I'd make mix tapes for people, I'd typically start with A Strange Boy, because: a) I felt like a strange boy myself b) It's a brilliant song c) It's a great Joni deep track that casual fans may never hear I remember that the first line that really floored me was his response to grow up, saying "give me one good reason why". There have been others since. Would like to hear from others about what the songs means to you, what parts have been significant, etc. Bob NP: Beth Orton, "Stolen Car" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. 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It is quite something; the coldness that digital music gets panned for by vinyl enthusiasts disappears, and the depth and width the mixing engineer worked hard to obtain are now heard properly. Theres a toggle switch for comparing the Amarra playback with the Core Audio playback. When you toggle the button, youll be amazed at how much was being lost, just from the software code of the built-in audio engine. My advice if you listen to music from a Mac, then, is to install this inexpensive app first. If you subsequently purchase a hi res download, such as Hejira, youll hear far more of the resolution intended. As Jim suggests, you can go further with a USB DAC, nice speakers or headphones (Grado SR80s are great) and lets not forget planting your chair in the right spot between those speakers placed so the tweeters are at ear height, not on the floor or high up in a shelf. Dave p.s Let me/us know if you try my recommendation and what you think. Note: Amarra HiFi does not (yet) work on iPods or other mobile devices and only on Macs. On Nov 21, 2013, at 5:49 AM, jlhommedieu@insight.rr.com wrote: > One thing bugs me about these hi-rez files- there is never any provenance given. > > In the vinyl reissue world, there is often a back story: is it sourced from a 16/44 file made in 1985, or from a production dupe, or did they find the uncompressed, 2 track master? Who made the A->D transfer? There are often cult following around the various mastering gurus. > > None of that has emerged in the high rez world. > > Jim ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 13:54:26 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: RE: A Strange Boy That's correct, Sue - we have the bootleg of it but it was never released. She stops at the "we were fire in the stiff blue-haired house rules" part just to share how good a lyric that is. Our friend Patrice Moerman has a recording of it up on her website too. Bob NP: Ani Difranco & Utah Phillips, "The Saw Playing Musician" From: "Susan E. McNamara" To: "Bob.Muller@Fluor.com" , Anita G , Cc: joni Date: 11/21/2013 01:42 PM Subject: RE: A Strange Boy Didn't Jane Siberry sing it at the Central Park Tribute? I guess that never made it on to a CD though ... Susan Tierney McNamara email: sem8@cornell.edu - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2013 1:34 PM To: Anita G Cc: joni; Susan E. McNamara Subject: Re: A Strange Boy I remember a really stunning version that Kay Ashley performed> Yes, Kay totally kills it, have heard her perform it a number of times. Sadly, there's only been ONE *released* cover of the song, a 1996 recording by a bizarre-sounding group called Sisterboy. Bob NP: Gomez, Rhythm & Blues Alibi" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 18:42:39 +0000 From: "Susan E. McNamara" Subject: RE: A Strange Boy Didn't Jane Siberry sing it at the Central Park Tribute? I guess that never made it on to a CD though ... Susan Tierney McNamara email: sem8@cornell.edu - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2013 1:34 PM To: Anita G Cc: joni; Susan E. McNamara Subject: Re: A Strange Boy I remember a really stunning version that Kay Ashley performed> Yes, Kay totally kills it, have heard her perform it a number of times. Sadly, there's only been ONE *released* cover of the song, a 1996 recording by a bizarre-sounding group called Sisterboy. Bob NP: Gomez, Rhythm & Blues Alibi" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 11:44:39 -0800 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: A Strange Boy No, I just used a wooden spoon and a bowl. On Nov 21, 2013, at 11:40 AM, Anita wrote: > On 21 Nov 2013, at 19:30, Dave Blackburn wrote: > >> Herebs Kaybs version again, as recorded for the 2010 fundraiser. I mixed it for her. >> >> http://tinyurl.com/km3bjj6 >> > > Dave, when you mixed it, did you sample at 192 KHz (more than quadruple the rate of a CD which runs at 44.1kHz) and make it work by simply substituting better written code for the Macs audio engine Core Audio? > > Anita :-)) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 11:47:34 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Hejira in HD Neil Young will be thrilled!!!! He has been trying to get those pinheads to listen to him for years on that topic. Best Paz On Nov 20, 2013, at 8:54 PM, Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: Yeah, I got an email from them on 11/19 with the announcement. Get 10% of Hejira when you use this discount code: HDBLUE10. I didn't buy "Hejira" last night but I did get a 96/24 edition of "Graceland" and it's worth the money. It's funny- high rez digital is cheaper than premium quality vinyl. I got 15% of "Graceland" with this discount code: HDALLNEW15. Jim Dave B said, Hmmm, that IS enticing. The clips sound very clean and lush. If it was a 5.1 remix Id be really jumping up and down. From: Jack Merkel This must have just been released because I just bought MOA from them three days ago, and there was no Hejira offered at the time. I know what I'm doing tonight! Thanks for the heads up, Les. > lesirvin@gmail.com wrote: > > Hejira in audiophile 192kHz/24bit & 96kHz/24bit: > http://www.hdtracks.com/hejira-147260 - --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 19:40:06 +0000 From: Anita Subject: Re: A Strange Boy On 21 Nov 2013, at 19:30, Dave Blackburn wrote: > Herebs Kaybs version again, as recorded for the 2010 fundraiser. I mixed it for her. > > http://tinyurl.com/km3bjj6 > Dave, when you mixed it, did you sample at 192 KHz (more than quadruple the rate of a CD which runs at 44.1kHz) and make it work by simply substituting better written code for the Macs audio engine Core Audio? Anita :-)) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 10:23:57 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: RE: Strange Boy Well Mike, that's brilliant and makes a point that I never thought of...I could never get the image out of my mind of one of those photographs that shows time-lapse movement of cars where it looks like one long wave. NOW, thanks to you, I do think Joni's relating his skating through traffic with how he envisions the cars, as if he's surfing through waves. Further to that, when she sings "now <<<*I*>>> am surf rising..." she's alluding to the idea of him moving through her, physically and emotionally, in the same manner he surfs/skates through the cars, with grace and havoc. Man, these lyrics are even better than I thought. Thanks again for your thoughts. Bob NP: XTC, "Your Dictionary" From: Mike B To: "Bob.Muller@Fluor.com" , Cc: "joni@smoe.org" Date: 11/22/2013 10:09 AM Subject: RE: Strange Boy It's an intriguing line, Bob, especially when the thought then jumps to 'He see the damage in my face'. I take it the first two lines refer to the boyfriend's boyish recklessness, when out in traffic either on his skateboard (if he's the yellow skateboarder) or just behind the wheel, he plays traffic like a game, with no sense of the danger involved. Would that be seen as a fairly stereotypical male approach? Certainly a young male's attitude. Whereas in the last line we're also told of his sensitivity, his acceptance of the older woman and the knocks she's taken in life. (Is there a subconscious association here of dangerous traffic, accidents, damaged face?). I love the ambiguity of the 'damage' line: is she embarrassed by the signs of her age, in the company of a younger lover, or is she touched that he has that insight and accepts her as she is? Or both... One other element in the magic mix is of course Larry Carlton's superb guitar work. Does anybody know how he gets that weird traffic-horn sound in the very last seconds of the fade-out? Or is that a sound engineer's trick? M To: charliebu@hotmail.co.uk CC: joni@smoe.org Subject: Strange Boy From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 09:33:44 -0500 Mike, thanks for that - what do you (or any of you) make of these lines: "He sees the cars as sets of waves, sequences of mass and space" ? Bob NP: Randy Newman, "The World Isn't Fair" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. 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Sadly, there's only been ONE *released* cover of the song, a 1996 recording by a bizarre-sounding group called Sisterboy. Bob NP: Gomez, Rhythm & Blues Alibi" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 09:05:23 -0500 From: jlhommedieu@insight.rr.com Subject: That thread about the hi rez, njc Agreed but... It is possible to build a high rez playback system on the cheap. I heard a pretty big difference on my big rig when I replaced my ancient $125 Sony DVD player with a modern $199 USB DAC and attached it to a laptop. Caveats: on the laptop, I'm using a modern media player from JRiver but it cost only $50. There was some setup involved that required multiple trips to Google. It helps to be a patient, determined programmer. When I don't use the USB DAC, I hear better bass but the other differences are missing, as my esteemed colleague points out. I'm limited to 96/24. Jim Dave B. said in part, > So unless you have an audio interface attached to your computer that has 96 or 192kHz converters and fine studio monitors you wont hear the resolution you paid for. If you use an iPod or listen to music in the car you will hear almost none of the improvements, Im afraid. Same thing for earbuds, cheap headphones and laptop speakers. The video equivalent is Blu-Ray; you o! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 16:24:37 +0000 From: "Susan E. McNamara" Subject: RE: A Strange Boy I just had this idea while I was reading your post, Bob. Just in the way Dylan killed with Just Like A Woman's line "and she breaks just like a little girl," Strange Boy hits me in that place where sometimes we revert to that inner child place in relationships where, either a woman or a man, we have our toddler tantrums and it frustrates love ... (listening to the travelogue version of YDFT this morning "what are you going to let love be? Just a vague flirtation or extra special company.") ... Joni writes this song in much the same theme as the rest of Hejira ... the transitory nature of love and life ... what is she getting out of this relationship? "See how that feeling comes and goes, like the pull of moon on tides, now I am surf rising, now parched ribs of sand at his side ..." It ebbs and flows ... he sees the damage in my face ... I gave him power over me ... we were fire in the stiff blue-haired house rules ... (I seen some hot hot blazes, come down to smoke and ash ...) Susan Tierney McNamara email: sem8@cornell.edu - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2013 10:28 AM To: joni Subject: A Strange Boy Over on the JMDL Facebook page, there's a mini-discussion about this song and I feel compelled to bring it to a wider audience. Particularly still basking in the glow of The Mutts wonderful San Diego Hejira show, this song (like all of the album) has always resonated with me, and like so many if not all of the songs on the record features one great line after another. Back in the day when I'd make mix tapes for people, I'd typically start with A Strange Boy, because: a) I felt like a strange boy myself b) It's a brilliant song c) It's a great Joni deep track that casual fans may never hear I remember that the first line that really floored me was his response to grow up, saying "give me one good reason why". There have been others since. Would like to hear from others about what the songs means to you, what parts have been significant, etc. Bob NP: Beth Orton, "Stolen Car" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 18:24:55 -0600 From: Jack Merkel Subject: Re: Hejira in HD I did buy this last night and had some PC problems resulting in some skipping issues with Song For Sharon. Contacted HdTracks and they reflagged my order so I can re-download it tonight. Hopefully it was just an issue with the download and not the actual file on their system. I am fortunate enough to have a home system with all the things Dave discussed in his email, so I am able to the sonic improvements. For me, I felt this version really shone on Amelia and Hejira - especially Amelia. The guitars and background vocals are almost hallucinatory, or should I say even more hallucinatory. Whenever I do a "serious" listening of this album, I am always amazed at how abstract yet totally cohesive the instrumentation is. Random sounds come out of nowhere, but they all fit perfectly, and every note seems totally essential. As I was listening last night, I couldn't help but wonder if they had any idea at the time that they were creating something so magical. Truly one of greats, lyrically, musically, and now sonically! Jack Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 20, 2013, at 10:44 PM, Dave Blackburn wrote: > > I think itbs wonderful that great music is being made available in higher quality formats than have been available. > > It should be said however that only some of the higher quality will be heard by most people. The transfer of the analog master tape to 96kHz/24 bit is definitely going to sound better (smoother, more open, better soundstage, more depth of field) BUT the playback equipment that many listeners have will not allow those benefits to be heard. If you have D to A converters in your playback system that only go to 48khz then fully half of that resolution canbt be reproduced, and the longer word length of 24 bits over 16 bits only makes a difference in the softest parts of the music like fadeouts and reverb tails. So unless you have an audio interface attached to your computer that has 96 or 192kHz converters and fine studio monitors you wonbt hear the resolution you paid for. If you use an iPod or listen to music in the car you will hear almost none of the improvements, Ibm afraid. Same thing for earbuds, cheap headphones and laptop speakers. The video equivalent is Blu-Ray; you only see the resolution of the medium when you have a Blu-Ray player. > >> On Nov 20, 2013, at 6:54 PM, Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: >> >> Yeah, I got an email from them on 11/19 with the announcement. Get 10% of Hejira when you use this discount code: HDBLUE10. >> >> I didn't buy "Hejira" last night but I did get a 96/24 edition of "Graceland" and it's worth the money. It's funny- high rez digital is cheaper than premium quality vinyl. I got 15% of "Graceland" with this discount code: HDALLNEW15. >> >> Jim >> >> Dave B said, >> Hmmm, that IS enticing. The clips sound very clean and lush. If it was a 5.1 remix Id be really jumping up and down. >> >> >> From: Jack Merkel >> This must have just been released because I just bought MOA from them three days ago, and there was no Hejira offered at the time. I know what I'm doing tonight! Thanks for the heads up, Les. >>> lesirvin@gmail.com wrote: >>> >>> Hejira in audiophile 192kHz/24bit & 96kHz/24bit: >>> http://www.hdtracks.com/hejira-147260 >> >> --- >> This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. >> http://www.avast.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 15:09:45 +0000 From: Mike B Subject: RE: Strange Boy It's an intriguing line, Bob, especially when the thought then jumps to 'He see the damage in my face'. I take it the first two lines refer to the boyfriend's boyish recklessness, when out in traffic either on his skateboard (if he's the yellow skateboarder) or just behind the wheel, he plays traffic like a game, with no sense of the danger involved. Would that be seen as a fairly stereotypical male approach? Certainly a young male's attitude. Whereas in the last line we're also told of his sensitivity, his acceptance of the older woman and the knocks she's taken in life. (Is there a subconscious association here of dangerous traffic, accidents, damaged face?). I love the ambiguity of the 'damage' line: is she embarrassed by the signs of her age, in the company of a younger lover, or is she touched that he has that insight and accepts her as she is? Or both... One other element in the magic mix is of course Larry Carlton's superb guitar work. Does anybody know how he gets that weird traffic-horn sound in the very last seconds of the fade-out? Or is that a sound engineer's trick? M To: charliebu@hotmail.co.uk CC: joni@smoe.org Subject: Strange Boy From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 09:33:44 -0500 Mike, thanks for that - what do you (or any of you) make of these lines: "He sees the cars as sets of waves, sequences of mass and space" ? Bob NP: Randy Newman, "The World Isn't Fair" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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To: charliebu@hotmail.co.uk CC: joni@smoe.org Subject: Strange Boy From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 09:33:44 -0500 Mike, thanks for that - what do you (or any of you) make of these lines: "He sees the cars as sets of waves, sequences of mass and space" ? Bob NP: Randy Newman, "The World Isn't Fair" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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