From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2013 #1634 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe:mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website:http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, November 12 2013 Volume 2013 : Number 1634 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Dry Cleaner From Des Moines [Dave Blackburn ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 10:52:39 -0800 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: Dry Cleaner From Des Moines Id be interested to learn about that too Stephen. Please post if you find out. On Goodbe Porkpie Hat of course the vocal melody after the head is directly taken from John Handy's tenor sax solo on the Mingus, Ah, Um album from 1959. My transcription of that one is up on JoniMitchell.com: http://jonimitchell.com/music/transcription.cfm?id=468 thanks, Dave On Nov 12, 2013, at 10:39 AM, Stephen Saxon wrote: > Thanks Betsy. > > > > The first two choruses (it's a 12-bar blues) are clearly a composed melody. > Starting with the third chorus ("I talked to a guy from Des Moines. He said > he ran a cleaning plant.") sounds like the start of an improvised solo that > has been transcribed (or learned) and then lyricized as in the jazz vocalese > tradition. Each vocal chorus after that seems like another improvised > chorus of blues over which Joni continues the story. > > > > I'd really like to find a reference of the original recording of the > improvisations. I've transcribed the whole thing (and arranged as a lead > sheet, as well as scoring and recording it with an a cappella quintet), so > it's not that I don't already have what she did in performance (both live > and in the studio). But just as we (jazz singers) listen to James Moody's > original and Coleman Hawkins' original, etc., I'd like to hear where it came > from. > > > > Anyone have access to that? > > > > From: Betsy Blue [mailto:betsyblue82@gmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 5:42 AM > To: joni@smoe.org; stephen@saxon.com > Subject: Dry Cleaner From Des Moines > > > > Charles Mingus composed six songs for Joni and named them for her. She added > lyrics to the song in question. A Chair in the Sky and Sweet Sucker Dance > were also from this new set. Good Bye Pork Pie Hat was a standard by that > point, the only pre-existing song. > > The Wolf That Lives in Lindsay and God Must Be A Boogeyman were all Joni. > The latter was composed after Mingus's death, with lyrics inspired by his > autobiography. > >> Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 00:22:21 -0800 >> From: Stephen Saxon >> Subject: Dry Cleaner From Des Moines >> >> I'd like to know if there's any record (as in recording or documentation) > of where the original Dry Cleaner solo came from. It is in the tradition of > jazz vocalese (like Twisted, Farmer's Market, Moody's Mood For Love, Body > And Soul, etc.), and I assumed ever since the release of Mingus that it was > from an unpublished / unreleased Mingus recording or something to which Joni > had written original lyrics, but I've never been able to track it down. >> >> I'm not talking about Jaco's arrangement for the studio or live versions. > I'm referring to whatever form the tune was in, or even the title of the > original version before Joni wrote her lyrics. >> >> Anyone here know anything about that? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Stephen ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2013 #1634 ****************************** ------- To post messages to the list, sendtojoni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------