From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2013 #1581 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe:mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website:http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Saturday, November 2 2013 Volume 2013 : Number 1581 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: JMDL Digest V2013 #1570 [Laurie Antonioli ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2013 10:59:17 -0700 From: Laurie Antonioli Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2013 #1570 True David. Gross overstatement. Herbie is still here. I work with Richie Bierach and of course he's a master -- and you, too. In fact, I was just gifted with one of your Joni records and love it. I was going to reach out to you (didn't know you were on this discussion board) as I just got it a couple weeks ago and have been taking in all the cool arrangements, instrumentation and playing. I'm talking about are the people that I came up with that I got to go hear regularly like Blakey, Horace Silver, Bill Evans, on and on and in particular on the vocal side, Billie, Carmen, Ella, Sarah, Abbey - all gone. (I never got to hear Billie!) Sheila Jordon is still with us, but you get the point - the "originators" of the music - the original group is small now. And, to go hear Chick or Keith or Herbie is not like it used to be either, it's VERY expensive. I pay attention to who is in town, and if one of the "original masters" is here I try to get (make) my students go hear them as we don't know when or if they will be in the Bay Area again. A contemporary vocal jazz master is Bobby McFerrin AND it's a big deal when he comes to town. We could go on and on - because there ARE contemporary masters, but, you know what I mean, David. We just lost Cedar. If I notice Billy Hart or Liebman is in town - I tell the vocal students to go hear them. Just to be around the vibe. To experience being around someone who has created jazz for 40 years or more. If you live in NY, you have more access to hear some of the people you mentioned. The way it is now, is that when the "original" or "contemporary" masters are in town, it's often at SFJAZZ where it can be quite expensive and often prevents students from going to hear them. This impacts the next generation. And they are in concert halls, not little clubs. I was fortunate to live in SF when the Keystone Korner was up and running and got to hear "everyone" - just about. Those impressions are still clear as day in my mind and ears and I truly believe that having the opportunity to hear those people *live* made all the difference. I hear the piano teachers complain that the young pianists "started" with Brad Mehldau, and on the vocal side, the singers "started" with Diana Krall, for instance. Anyway...this has now gone into a "NJC" conversation, perhaps, but, I did not mean in any way to disrespect those that are still with us, but, it's a smaller group now. That's all. Laurie On Sat, Nov 2, 2013 at 7:09 AM, JMDL Digest wrote: > > JMDL Digest Saturday, November 2 2013 Volume 2013 : Number 1570 > > > > ========== > > TOPICS and authors in this Digest: > -------- > Re: Jazz Snobs [David Lahm < > dflahm@gmail.com>] > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2013 10:09:02 -0400 > From: David Lahm > Subject: Re: Jazz Snobs > > With one claim in Laurie's "jazz snobs" post, I could not disagree more: > "the masters are all gone." Joe Lovano isn't gone; Ted Rosenthal isn't > gone; Billy Hart isn't gone; Jon Faddis isn't gone; Mark Dresser isn't > gone; Eddie Gomez isn't gone; Chick Corea isn't gone; Dave Liebman isn't > gone. > > > > DAVID LAHM > > > On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 7:54 PM, Laurie Antonioli > wrote: > > > I haven't had time to follow all the recent posts about the "Kate Perry > > incident" but, no one is snobbier than jazz musicians. It's been > > interesting to me that many of them have "come clean" about how much Joni > > has touched them. And, many jazz singers have included Joni's songs on > > their recordings. Tierney Sutton's latest is an example, though her > story > > is that she didn't even get hip to Joni until about 13 years or so ago. > > Some of us, like me, started with Joni and then went on to jazz. As you > > know, I'm making a new record of Joni's music and I tell the story here: > > > > > http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/songs-of-shadow-songs-of-light/x/1830694 > > > > And I'm not the least bit snobby about Joni's impact on me. Believe it > or > > not, the "jazz police" have given me a couple tickets already! > > > > The biggest point, to me, is that music is not clearly one thing or the > > other. At least in jazz, all the masters now are gone. Just a handful > > left. And with that, the young jazz musicians are calling on all their > > "childhood" influences - jazz singing is such a genre-bending affair > > anymore that it's hard to even know how to classify the new crop of "jazz > > singers." I deal with this all the time as I run the Vocal Program at a > > jazz institution. > > > > Back to Joni - her music lends itself to jazz, as she was deeply > influenced > > by jazz music, but, it also transcends and crosses over to people who > like > > pop, folk, rock, country and so on. Her music, depending on "who" is > doing > > it can live in any of these environments and THAT is what makes it like > > Ellington or Cole Porter. Her songs are like the "Great American > Songbook" > > or "Standards" which were written in the 1930's and 40's. From 1960's on > > up, Joni carved out a niche that works in many settings and because of > > that, will live on as some of the most important popular music ever > > written. > > > > Laurie Antonioli > > ------------------------------ > > End of JMDL Digest V2013 #1570 > ****************************** > > ------- > To post messages to the list, sendtojoni@smoe.org. > Unsubscribe by clicking here: > mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe > ------- ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2013 #1581 ****************************** ------- To post messages to the list, sendtojoni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------