From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2013 #1565 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe:mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website:http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Saturday, November 2 2013 Volume 2013 : Number 1565 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni mention by Katy Perry ["Mark" ] Re: Joni mention by Katy Perry [Gerald P Kent ] Re: JMDL Digest V2013 #1477 [Clint Norwood ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 18:13:37 -0700 From: "Mark" Subject: Re: Joni mention by Katy Perry This one came through! Thanks, Anne. I hated thinking you were posting emails to the list that I wasn't seeing at all Mark in Seattle just sitting here watching the wheels go round and round... - -----Original Message----- From: Anne Sandstrom Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2013 7:09 PM To: gpkm6208@comcast.net Cc: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com ; beatntrack@att.net ; FMYFL@aol.com ; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Joni mention by Katy Perry Well, I think that Katy Perry is a better songwriter than many give her credit for. Althought the lyrics aren't great, the melody to "Firework" is pretty darn good if you ask me. And her song "Wide Awake" is great IMHO.Yeah, she's got the bubble gum/blue hair schtick going on. Maybe she meant she'd give up on that whole facade? Who knows? The fact that she even knows who Joni is is rather impressive. Kind of reminds me of Taylor Swift inviting Shawn Colvin on stage to sing "Sonny Came Home" together. The contrast was striking. Gravitas vs. fluff. I'll let you guess which was which. Makes me wonder "if you like that music so much, how on earth do you come up with your stuff?" Puzzling. lots of love,Anne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 21:25:48 -0400 From: Gerald P Kent Subject: Re: Joni mention by Katy Perry Thanks Anne, et al. I just get very turned off by what looks like collective condescension of anyone who the listers (which I am one of) believe do not rise to the standards of Joni. I believe this gal Kattie (of whom I know nothing about -- have no kids and do not listen to today's radio) was trashed rather significantly because she insinuated she would like to be like Joni. It sounds like she is currently a pop star but wasn't it Joni who once said she might seem ungrateful with her teeth sunk in the hand that gives her things she is not quite ready to give up just yet (I am paraphrasing)? People aspire to meet their expectations. Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 29, 2013, at 10:09 PM, Anne Sandstrom wrote: > > Well, I think that Katy Perry is a better songwriter than many give her > credit for. Althought the lyrics aren't great, the melody to "Firework" > is pretty darn good if you ask me. And her song "Wide Awake" is great > IMHO.Yeah, she's got the bubble gum/blue hair schtick going on. Maybe she > meant she'd give up on that whole facade? Who knows? The fact that she > even knows who Joni is is rather impressive. Kind of reminds me of Taylor > Swift inviting Shawn Colvin on stage to sing "Sonny Came Home" together. > The contrast was striking. Gravitas vs. fluff. I'll let you guess which > was which. Makes me wonder "if you like that music so much, how on earth > do you come up with your stuff?" Puzzling. lots of love,Anne ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 08:56:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Clint Norwood Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2013 #1477 Coyote Rick, I think that you make a great point about current "rock" and pop acts. I too don't like a lot of things that I hear now because it seems so manufactured and full of wall to wall synthesizers. I can dance to a Katy Perry song if it is a happy time but I won't think about it after because it does not have depth. Kids like that stuff nowadays because IT IS MARKETED TO THEM NON-STOP. Think about that for a second. If kids heard all kinds of music some would still like Katy, but not everyone. It's almost like that is what they are SUPPOSED to like. They don't really have a choice unless they have music listening parents. But you hit on a couple of things that I think we can say applies to music that is less than inspiring. That was your mention of the corporate "business" of music as opposed to what it was like in 1969. Around the eighties when the music "business" became a serious crush for corporate execs and music video was the rage the level of quality went down because the integrity of the art wasn't there. So many "acts" are just stars to me. Neil Peart said it best, "All this machinery making modern music can still be openhearted. Not so fully charted it's really just a question of your honesty." Can we really believe Christina Aguilera's honesty compared to someone like Patsy Cline or Joni Mitchell? Subjectively I say no. - -Clint On Wednesday, October 30, 2013 1:09 AM, JMDL Digest wrote: JMDL Digest Wednesday, October 30 2013 Volume 2013 : Number 1477 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: - -------- Re: Joni mention by Katy Perry [Rick Hobbs-Seeley ] - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 00:57:26 -0500 From: Rick Hobbs-Seeley Subject: Re: Joni mention by Katy Perry Gerald, Vince, Victor and Bob, I've been reading, albeit off and on, this discussion group for 14 years. I've learned more from the folks on this group about music than I could ever learn in any music appreciation class. More about the music and influence of Miss Joni Mitchell than I knew in all the years - pre Internet - when I admired her talent assumably alone. Smart, articulate people. Some of whom have sacrificed their time from friends and family to educate the rest of us on others that also find her music inspiring, others who discover her tunings, others who plan gatherings to share our common, sometimes fanatic, romanticism. Some of whom, I've grown to love as friends. Okay, that's what I must say. Now for the confessional. As I age, I find it more and more difficult to connect with the popular artists of today. I'm not an expert on the music scene of today, but, it seems to me that things have changed. Today's artists are clearly talented in one way or the other, it just seems less home grown than what we learned to love in days past. Maybe more manufactured and subjected to focus groups. What I do know is we have to change with the times. We must focus our musical interests to those that turn us on. Be it "throw back" singer songwriters we find on PBS radio or local artists we find in open mike nights and concerts. Some of us understand the music industry of today and can appreciate the breakthrough some artists make due to their vocal, musicianship fortitude or songwriting skills. Some of us can't. No harm, no foul. It's all about taste. I do think we, as a group, need to respect the opinions of others on both sides of the artistic equation. However, we need to refrain from challenging one another on our opinions. Just state them and let go if you feel so compelled . Some readers and writers did just that on the Perry discussion. I must also say we must refrain from sniping the talent or lack thereof of current artists who our younger readers may hold in high esteem. A larger part of our mission here is to educate and involve our "youngers" on the music of Joni Mitchell to keep her music alive for the generation(s) to come. We don't fulfill that mission without acceptance and appreciation. While I have no regrets. I sign off as your friend, CoyoteRick Sent from my iPhone On Oct 29, 2013, at 8:31 PM, Gerald P Kent wrote: Another one of my few responses to the discussion group. As a long time member and one who really appreciates much of Joni's music I once again find it quite appalling at how condescending many of you are. I find it very complimentary to joni that a young person would recognize her and acknowledge her longitivity. Really appalling comments. How disappointing that this group had evolved into this. Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 29, 2013, at 4:05 PM, Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: > > Well, she could release an album all about her hair and call it BLUE. > > Bob > > NP: Arcade Fire, "Flashbulb Eyes" > > > > > From: Dave Blackburn > To: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com, > Cc: Jimmy Stewart , JMDL JMDL > Date: 10/29/2013 03:54 PM > Subject: Re: Joni mention by Katy Perry > > > > Maybe she meant crabbier and more reclusive. > >> On Oct 29, 2013, at 11:04 AM, Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: >> >> That silly quote is about a month old...I laughed when I read it..."I'll > >> probably turn into more of a Joni Mitchell as I get older", which in her > >> pea-brain means she will play the acoustic guitar. As for me, I'm ready > to >> turn into George Clooney. >> >> Bob > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > The information transmitted is intended only for the person > or entity to which it is addressed and may contain > proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. > If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are > hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, > distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon > this message is prohibited. 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