From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2013 #1564 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe:mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website:http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Saturday, November 2 2013 Volume 2013 : Number 1564 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Katy becoming Joni [Corey Blake ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2013 23:39:55 -0700 From: Corey Blake Subject: Re: Katy becoming Joni More assumptions, Paul. She doesn't say that her turning into a Joni Mitchell would begin and end with doing an acoustic guitar album. She may think that or she may think that's where the journey begins, and her subsequent albums would take her elsewhere. To reiterate, she doesn't say it would be easy either. It's two whole sentences. You clearly have your heart set on being insulted and angry about this, so you've invented a lot of subtext that just isn't provable. As an alternative, you can just take it at face value as someone who admires Joni Mitchell's career. Sent from my iPad > On Nov 1, 2013, at 11:08 PM, Paul Ivice wrote: > > Here's what she said: > I'll probably turn into more of a Joni Mitchell. As I inch towards my 30s, I > think my fourth record will be more of an acoustic guitar album. > > Clearly she's not saying she can be Joni. She seems to be saying that she > will > be trying to evolve her music to more of an acoustic style. In the style of > Joni... As we know, that's a major assumption and simplification. We are all > Joni experts...we could point out a few things to her. She's a baby. She's > 29 > for Christ sake people...remember when? She didn't mean to slight Joni. I > hope she covers Joni on her next record. HAHAHAHA! Then Bob can add her to > one > of his cover lists and redeem himself. At that time, the "herd" can disperse, > Bob can lay down his staff forevermore, and all will be well again in > JoniLand! > ;D I'm hopeful! > > I still think what she said was arrogant and insulting to Joni, as if it > would be easy for Katy to do that. > Furthermore, it seems to me it gets worse because Katy has a poor concept of > Joni's career and growth as a musician if she thinks of Joni merely as an > acoustic guitar player. Joni started as an acoustic folk singer and evolved > through electric rock and into jazz. > Whoever called Katy a pea-brain was closer to the truth than you gave him > credit for, > > > > Paul Ivice ;>) > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sally > To: Paul Ivice > Cc: gpkm6208 ; dahrius1 ; revrvl > ; joni > Sent: Sat, Nov 2, 2013 12:45 am > Subject: Re: Katy becoming Joni > > > Sorry Paul. I think you misunderstand the meaning in Katy Perry's comments. > Here's what she said: > I'll probably turn into more of a Joni Mitchell. As I inch towards my 30s, I > think my fourth record will be more of an acoustic guitar album. > > Clearly she's not saying she can be Joni. She seems to be saying that she > will > be trying to evolve her music to more of an acoustic style. In the style of > Joni... As we know, that's a major assumption and simplification. We are all > Joni experts...we could point out a few things to her. She's a baby. She's > 29 > for Christ sake people...remember when? She didn't mean to slight Joni. I > hope she covers Joni on her next record. HAHAHAHA! Then Bob can add her to > one > of his cover lists and redeem himself. At that time, the "herd" can disperse, > Bob can lay down his staff forevermore, and all will be well again in > JoniLand! > ;D I'm hopeful! > >> On Nov 1, 2013, at 10:39 PM, Paul Ivice wrote: >> >> The arrogance, I fear, is certainly not coming from this gal Katy. Please >> read >> some of the comments being made by the listers. >> >> >> On that point, my friend, you are clearly wrong. It is arrogant for Katy to >> say that she could become like Joni Mitchell as if that were her fallback >> position. At least that's what it sounded to me like she was saying. >> >> Joni followed her own heart, or her muse, to create the kind of music she >> wanted, not what she thought would be the most popular or sold the most >> recordings. She made her audience follow her, if they chose to, but she did >> not follow her audience, which is what pop stars do. >> To paraphrase Voltaire, I don't like some of the choices Joni made, but I >> respect the hell out of the reasons she made them. >> I don't see Katy Perry having those kind of guts. Instead, she seems to be >> interested in beingpart of the star-maker machinery that pumps out popular >> songs. I am not criticizing her for that. It is what most people would do. > But >> it does not give her the riht to think she could become like Joni. >> >> >> >> Paul Ivice ;>) ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2013 #1564 ****************************** ------- To post messages to the list, sendtojoni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------