From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2013 #1494 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe:mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website:http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, October 31 2013 Volume 2013 : Number 1494 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Sexist pig? Njc [jlhommedieu@insight.rr.com] Re: Joni mention by Katy Perry [Anne Sandstrom ] Re: Foiled again! [Gerald P Kent ] Re: Katy Perry On The 180 That Saved Her Career [Gerald P Kent Subject: Re: Joni mention by Katy Perry Well, I think that Katy Perry is a better songwriter than many give her credit for. Althought the lyrics aren't great, the melody to "Firework" is pretty darn good if you ask me. And her song "Wide Awake" is great IMHO.Yeah, she's got the bubble gum/blue hair schtick going on. Maybe she meant she'd give up on that whole facade? Who knows? The fact that she even knows who Joni is is rather impressive. Kind of reminds me of Taylor Swift inviting Shawn Colvin on stage to sing "Sonny Came Home" together. The contrast was striking. Gravitas vs. fluff. I'll let you guess which was which. Makes me wonder "if you like that music so much, how on earth do you come up with your stuff?" Puzzling. lots of love,Anne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 22:37:19 -0400 From: Gerald P Kent Subject: Re: Foiled again! I once again (although I guess I didn't really the first time!) rest my case. It is hard to voice your opinion with such incredibly cool people!!!!!!!!! Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 30, 2013, at 11:36 AM, Steve Dulson wrote: > > Hey Bob, just between you and me, I'm really surprised that > Arkay and Gerald tumbled to the plot so fast. When the Inner > Circle agreed that our ultimate goal was to turn the world > against Joni Mitchell and destroy any regard for her music, I > figured it would take us YEARS. It's too bad we didn't trim > all the non-IC people off the list, as I adviocated in '98. > > Wow. We've been outsmarted again. :( > > ^&*(%^%#!! (The Secret Handshake) > > Steve ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 22:57:37 -0400 From: Gerald P Kent Subject: Re: Katy Perry On The 180 That Saved Her Career BAA, BAA, BAA, BAA. Another of the sheep "herd" from!!!!! Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 30, 2013, at 1:10 AM, Sally wrote: > > I'm female...I'm not feeling marginalized. In saying what he said, Bob was speaking as a huge fan of a different woman. minor feeling the angst. > Bob...want me to "slap you with the splintered ruler"? ;) > > > >> On Oct 30, 2013, at 1:04 AM, "Arkay Adkisson" wrote: >> >> You are infinitely more patient and well-spoke than I.B >> >> >> >> I get angry not because I may or may not support Katy Perry's music, but >> because referring to her in such a derogatory and dismissive way, does in >> fact, continue the societal-wide marginalization of women. B >> >> >> >> >> Perhaps this result is indeed SO contrary to the true intention, that this >> becomes a moment of learning, thus un-learning, and a little growth >> happens.B >> >> >> >> Perhaps.B >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> b >> Sent from Mailbox for iPhone >> >> >> >> On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 10:05 PM, Vince Lavieri >> > wrote: >> What follows below is the wording of NPR. I am not a Katy Perry fan but I >> >> found the interview informative in that my perceptions were altered as to her >> >> depth. Not that she has to answer to me. The fact that Scott Simon did a >> >> piece on her says something profound about her. And I wish the Huffington >> >> Post article had had more content on Perry's Joni comment. >> >> >> What I know is this, that as a whole with some obvious exceptions the JMDL >> >> tends to trash on all younger female pop singers. An Erica Badu will get >> some >> >> respect but mention Taylor Swift and the knives come out. A blues-y jazzy >> Amy >> >> Winehouse gets love but a woman who sings in the pop category gets put down >> >> and castigated. And if a young female pop singer speaks of her respect for >> >> Joni, the hate fest erupts. As it did when Taylor Swift was connected to >> >> Joni, spoke well of her. The condescending comments were so numerous. >> >> >> Young male pop singers also get dissed but the venom is stronger on the >> >> females. >> >> >> I have said before and I will repeat, that too many (and one is too many) >> have >> >> forgotten two things: 1. hope I did before I get old and 2. Mothers, fathers >> >> through out the land, don't criticize what you don't understand. >> >> >> When I think of how my generation was in the late 60s and early 70s, with >> >> hair, clothes or lack thereof, sexual liberation, drugs, and all kinds of >> >> posing and self aggrandizement, a Katy Perry, Lorde, Miley Cyrus, Gaga, >> >> Kei$ha, are what they are: us reflected back at ourselves. They are us, >> >> current generation to our faded generation that mocks the way our parents >> >> mocked our music. The quip (which I suspect was said in humor, not to hurt) >> >> about blue hair would never be made about Cindi Lauper but then she is in her >> >> 40s or 50s. Katy Perry's hair has always been black to my knowledge but >> maybe >> >> I missed a color change. Prism is a powerful album, Roar to me is over done >> >> but so is all Led Zepplin. Not like she invented the arena sound. Teenage >> >> Dream was one of the great albums of this decade. One can respect what we do >> >> not like, understand what is not our genre, and realize that sometimes the >> >> snark comes on so strong it invites the charge of misogyny and reflects >> poorly >> >> on the elders who are pissed off by the music of the young, which of course >> >> the young should be doing, and that female pop singers do not diminish Joni >> by >> >> the fact of their talent and success. >> >> >> Vince who wishes people listened to what Miley sang when she twerked Robin >> and >> >> remembered that group sex in public was a fun fashion for people now in their >> >> 50s and 60s who are shocked, shocked that someone would act out why don't we >> >> do it in the road. And is in agreement with those who have been troubled by >> >> the Katy Perry comments today. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> I found the following story on the NPR iPhone App: >> >> >> Katy Perry On The 180 That Saved Her Career >> >> by NPR Staff >> >> >> NPR - October 26, 2013 >> >> >> Katy Perry is among the world's biggest pop artists, but her fans know her >> >> current career is actually a second take. She first tried her hand in the >> >> music world as a teenager, making Christian music as Katy Hudson. She >> released >> >> an album in 2001, which failed to break through.... >> >> >> http://www.npr.org/2013/10/26/240760441/katy-perry-returns-with-a-roar?sc=17& >> >> f=7 >> >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2013 #1494 ****************************** ------- To post messages to the list, sendtojoni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------