From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2013 #1487 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe:mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website:http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, October 30 2013 Volume 2013 : Number 1487 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Pea brains (njc) [Victor ] re: Pea brains (njc) [c Karma ] Re: JMDL Digest V2013 #1486 [Clint Norwood ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 14:19:56 -0400 From: Victor Subject: Re: Pea brains (njc) Woman or man, goat or chicken, purple or paisley, it doesn't make Bob's points any less valid. It's so true, these days you can't criticize anyone without being accused of being a hater. And also brings the point home that we really don't know each other, so it's foolish to make such blanket assumptions about each other. Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 30, 2013, at 1:40 PM, Arkay Adkisson wrote: > > I am a woman. > > -ARKAY > > >> On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 12:28 PM, wrote: >> >> Easy does it CC - if you're not careful you'll be accused of being a >> vegephobe. >> >> Look, I can appreciate what Arkay is saying even if he's a bit over the >> top with his assessment of me. Misogyny is real, as are all forms of >> hatred and prejudice. >> >> What I really don't like is an atmosphere where you can't criticize anyone >> outside of your sphere without being labeled. >> >> If I criticize a woman I'm a mysogynist. >> If I criticize a black person I'm a racist. >> If I criticize a gay person I'm a homophobe. >> and so on. >> >> It's a dangerous and limiting attitude to have in my opinion. If I >> believe, as I do, that everyone is truly equal than I should be able to >> express critiques equally across the board, regardless of any and all of >> these things, and I will continue to do so. >> >> Bob >> >> NP: Ben Harper & Charlie Musselwhite, "Get Up!" >> >> >> >> >> From: c Karma >> To: "joni@smoe.org" , >> Date: 10/30/2013 01:05 PM >> Subject: re: Pea brains (njc) >> Sent by: owner-joni@smoe.org >> >> >> >> Jimmy wrote:I imagine that 50% of the pea brains in the world are men and >> 50% are women. >> If I call someone a pea brain, and she happens to be a woman, that >> assertion >> does not automatically make me a misogynist. >> >> Yes, I believe that I read that Gregor Mendel had discovered while >> studying >> the genetics of peas that their brains were equally divided between the >> male >> and female of the species. While calling a female homo sapien a pea brain >> may >> not make you misogynist, it could be construed that you have a problem >> with >> legumes. >> CC >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------ >> The information transmitted is intended only for the person >> or entity to which it is addressed and may contain >> proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. >> If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are >> hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, >> distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon >> this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please >> contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. >> >> Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual >> sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. >> ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 17:40:20 +0000 From: c Karma Subject: re: Pea brains (njc) Bob wrote: Easy does it CC - if you're not careful you'll be accused of being a vegephobe. Well, hear this: I am an omnivore, and I don't care WHO knows! I don't care if it's a stupid meat or a stupid vegetable... if it's distasteful to me, I'll have none of it. CC Now eating: Kale with shaved parmesan, dates and hazelnuts and Brussels Sprouts slaw with pomegranate seeds and almonds. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 12:13:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Clint Norwood Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2013 #1486 Well said Bob. :) Beautiful parody cKarma - -Clint On Wednesday, October 30, 2013 12:50 PM, JMDL Digest wrote: JMDL Digest Wednesday, October 30 2013 Volume 2013 : Number 1486 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: - -------- re: Pea brains (njc) [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] RE: Katy Perry and Joni Mitchell ["Susan E. McNamara" ] Re: Pea brains (njc) [Arkay Adkisson ] - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 13:28:45 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: re: Pea brains (njc) Easy does it CC - if you're not careful you'll be accused of being a vegephobe. Look, I can appreciate what Arkay is saying even if he's a bit over the top with his assessment of me. Misogyny is real, as are all forms of hatred and prejudice. What I really don't like is an atmosphere where you can't criticize anyone outside of your sphere without being labeled. If I criticize a woman I'm a mysogynist. If I criticize a black person I'm a racist. If I criticize a gay person I'm a homophobe. and so on. It's a dangerous and limiting attitude to have in my opinion. If I believe, as I do, that everyone is truly equal than I should be able to express critiques equally across the board, regardless of any and all of these things, and I will continue to do so. Bob NP: Ben Harper & Charlie Musselwhite, "Get Up!" From: c Karma To: "joni@smoe.org" , Date: 10/30/2013 01:05 PM Subject: re: Pea brains (njc) Sent by: owner-joni@smoe.org Jimmy wrote:I imagine that 50% of the pea brains in the world are men and 50% are women. If I call someone a pea brain, and she happens to be a woman, that assertion does not automatically make me a misogynist. Yes, I believe that I read that Gregor Mendel had discovered while studying the genetics of peas that their brains were equally divided between the male and female of the species. While calling a female homo sapien a pea brain may not make you misogynist, it could be construed that you have a problem with legumes. CC - - - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - - - ------------------------------------------------------------ - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 17:22:32 +0000 From: "Susan E. McNamara" Subject: RE: Katy Perry and Joni Mitchell Oh I'm so relieved she said that ... I hate the song Fireworks too!!!! Talk about a screechy earworm! :) Susan Tierney McNamara email: sem8@cornell.edu From: Arkay Adkisson [mailto:piercedcanvas@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2013 1:18 PM To: Susan E. McNamara Cc: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Katy Perry and Joni Mitchell My teenage daughter plays the upright bass, which is not traditionally played by women, and she says "I hate the song "Fireworks" but I love the strings in the song". She often listens to the radio/Pandora and says-"oh I want to hear our orchestra play this song", etc...It's nice to have some variety in the arrangements, I like seeing my daughter trying out new songs and thinking about pushing her instrument to play songs that aren't traditional. On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 11:58 AM, Susan E. McNamara > wrote: I like how this discussion has talked about the influence of Katy on the young kids ... my niece opted to join an after school music program (kind of reminds me of School of Rock) because of her love of Katy. She's learning how to play guitar and bass at the ripe age of 9! I love that!!! I'm all for people setting a high bar for their achievements ... but I've also tried to teach my daughter that having a high bar means working hard and knowing you will hit many rocks in the road. Susan Tierney McNamara email: sem8@cornell.edu From: Arkay Adkisson [mailto:piercedcanvas@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2013 12:46 PM To: Susan E. McNamara Cc: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Katy Perry and Joni Mitchell I watched a documentary/concert film about Katy Perry with my teens, and I was impressed with her work ethic and her dedication to her career. I wouldn't call myself a fan-not by definition, but I do appreciate a couple of the songs my kids play often, others are like an ear worm I can't get out of my head unless I use a stronger ear worm ("i would walk 500 miles usually does the trick) Of course, a lot of artists cite Joni as an inspiration-I certainly am not a fan of all of them-but her music does speak to millions of people-all with different styles of their own. Katy Perry is very young, but has been 'in this career' for years and I'm sure her music, lyrics, and style will keep growing and evolving-like Joni Mitchell, sure-but also like any artist that practices her craft for decades. Arkay On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 11:22 AM, Susan E. McNamara > wrote: I don't see anything wrong with loving Katy Perry ... my niece Piper idolizes her. I make no assumptions that the type of music she makes is not uplifting and enjoyable to millions of people, whatever age they are. It is true too that her genre of music has been very open to many young women who are doing great and making a lot of money. When she says (me paraphrasing) "I want to be like a Joni Mitchell" ... is she saying that she would like to be respected like Joni as an artist and great songwriter who followed her art no matter where it took her ... or is she saying that she wants to take her art wherever it takes her even if that means being ostracized ... Joni's courage was based on a surrender to the gift and where it took her was a risk she was willing to take. I guess time will tell, but I don't fault people for being skeptical ... throwing around Joni's name pretty much puts you in the bull's eye ... are you that gifted? Put your money where your mouth is, I say. I hope Katy Perry succeeds!!!! Susan Tierney McNamara email: sem8@cornell.edu> - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 12:40:29 -0500 From: Arkay Adkisson Subject: Re: Pea brains (njc) I am a woman. - - -ARKAY On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 12:28 PM, wrote: > Easy does it CC - if you're not careful you'll be accused of being a > vegephobe. > > Look, I can appreciate what Arkay is saying even if he's a bit over the > top with his assessment of me. Misogyny is real, as are all forms of > hatred and prejudice. > > What I really don't like is an atmosphere where you can't criticize anyone > outside of your sphere without being labeled. > > If I criticize a woman I'm a mysogynist. > If I criticize a black person I'm a racist. > If I criticize a gay person I'm a homophobe. > and so on. > > It's a dangerous and limiting attitude to have in my opinion. If I > believe, as I do, that everyone is truly equal than I should be able to > express critiques equally across the board, regardless of any and all of > these things, and I will continue to do so. > > Bob > > NP: Ben Harper & Charlie Musselwhite, "Get Up!" > > > > > From: c Karma > To: "joni@smoe.org" , > Date: 10/30/2013 01:05 PM > Subject: re: Pea brains (njc) > Sent by: owner-joni@smoe.org > > > > Jimmy wrote:I imagine that 50% of the pea brains in the world are men and > 50% are women. > If I call someone a pea brain, and she happens to be a woman, that > assertion > does not automatically make me a misogynist. > > Yes, I believe that I read that Gregor Mendel had discovered while > studying > the genetics of peas that their brains were equally divided between the > male > and female of the species. While calling a female homo sapien a pea brain > may > not make you misogynist, it could be construed that you have a problem > with > legumes. > CC > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > The information transmitted is intended only for the person > or entity to which it is addressed and may contain > proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. > If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are > hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, > distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon > this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please > contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. > > Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual > sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. > - ------------------------------------------------------------ - ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2013 #1486 ****************************** - ------- To post messages to the list, sendtojoni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe - ------- ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2013 #1487 ****************************** ------- To post messages to the list, sendtojoni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------