From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2013 #1480 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe:mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website:http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, October 30 2013 Volume 2013 : Number 1480 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: This Katy Perry/Joni thing [Victor ] Katy Perry [Betsy Blue ] Re: Njc, lets all chill. [Arkay Adkisson ] Re: Joni mention by Katy Perry [Gerald Kent ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 08:09:53 -0400 From: Victor Subject: Re: This Katy Perry/Joni thing Good things to adhere to, particularly 2 & 3. The Four Agreements (Don Miguel Ruiz) 1. Be impeccable with your word. 2. Donbt take anything personally. 3. Donbt make assumptions. 4. Always do your best. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 04:11:04 -0700 From: Betsy Blue Subject: Katy Perry I second what Rob said. There are a bunch of current hitmakers I really enjoy, like Rhianna, Maroon 5, Ellie Goulding, Avici, Eminem, and even Taylor Swift. Not everyone will have the staying power of Joni Mitchell, for good reason, but there is plenty of good workmanship on the radio. My only objection was to the article "a" in front of Joni's name. Although I don't believe it was meant to be disrespectful, it serves to dehumanize. There is only one Joni Mitchell. The archetype to which Katy refers is a shortcut that removes the incentive to pay attention to Joni and her journey through music. Most people think the pink dress concert is it, and they move on. For the record, I'd listen to Celebrity Skin over Clouds any day. Betsy > On Oct 30, 2013, at 1:48 AM, Rob Procyk wrote: > > I really like Katy. That being said, I don't think Bob's comment was offensive at all - it was meant as a joke and I don't think it is misogynistic that he basically scoffed that Katy would grow into a Joni Mitchell. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 08:52:29 -0500 From: Arkay Adkisson Subject: Re: Njc, lets all chill. The constant barrage is not a reference to the JMDL list, but to society and the media as a whole. On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 8:46 AM, Anne Sandstrom wrote: > Hello Arkay, > Since I addresses Gerald, I'll take a moment to honor your post by > speaking with you too. > > So, I don't understand. Which constant barrage of judgmental misogyny are > you referring to? Did I miss something? > > As I said to Gerald, I don't know you. So it's possible I'm > misinterpreting. Forgive me if I misunderstand. > > I do find it disturbing to see listers sniping at one another. > > Lots of love, > Anne > This e-mail message and all attachments transmitted with it may contain > privileged and/or confidential information intended solely for the use of > the addressee(s). If the reader of this message is not the intended > recipient, you are hereby notified that any reading, dissemination, > distribution, copying, forwarding or other use of this message or its > attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in > error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this message, all > attachments and all copies and backups thereof. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 10:17:17 -0400 From: Gerald Kent Subject: Re: Joni mention by Katy Perry Very nice post Rick. I like the way you framed the issue. Sent from my iPad > On Oct 30, 2013, at 1:57 AM, Rick Hobbs-Seeley wrote: > > Gerald, Vince, Victor and Bob, I've been reading, albeit off and on, this discussion group for 14 years. I've learned more from the folks on this group about music than I could ever learn in any music appreciation class. More about the music and influence of Miss Joni Mitchell than I knew in all the years - pre Internet - when I admired her talent assumably alone. > > Smart, articulate people. Some of whom have sacrificed their time from friends and family to educate the rest of us on others that also find her music inspiring, others who discover her tunings, others who plan gatherings to share our common, sometimes fanatic, romanticism. Some of whom, I've grown to love as friends. > > Okay, that's what I must say. > > Now for the confessional. As I age, I find it more and more difficult to connect with the popular artists of today. I'm not an expert on the music scene of today, but, it seems to me that things have changed. Today's artists are clearly talented in one way or the other, it just seems less home grown than what we learned to love in days past. Maybe more manufactured and subjected to focus groups. > > What I do know is we have to change with the times. We must focus our musical interests to those that turn us on. Be it "throw back" singer songwriters we find on PBS radio or local artists we find in open mike nights and concerts. > > Some of us understand the music industry of today and can appreciate the breakthrough some artists make due to their vocal, musicianship fortitude or songwriting skills. Some of us can't. No harm, no foul. It's all about taste. > > I do think we, as a group, need to respect the opinions of others on both sides of the artistic equation. However, we need to refrain from challenging one another on our opinions. Just state them and let go if you feel so compelled . Some readers and writers did just that on the Perry discussion. > > I must also say we must refrain from sniping the talent or lack thereof of current artists who our younger readers may hold in high esteem. > > A larger part of our mission here is to educate and involve our "youngers" on the music of Joni Mitchell to keep her music alive for the generation(s) to come. We don't fulfill that mission without acceptance and appreciation. > > While I have no regrets. I sign off as your friend, > > CoyoteRick > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 29, 2013, at 8:31 PM, Gerald P Kent wrote: > > Another one of my few responses to the discussion group. As a long time member and one who really appreciates much of Joni's music I once again find it quite appalling at how condescending many of you are. I find it very complimentary to joni that a young person would recognize her and acknowledge her longitivity. Really appalling comments. How disappointing that this group had evolved into this. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Oct 29, 2013, at 4:05 PM, Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: >> >> Well, she could release an album all about her hair and call it BLUE. >> >> Bob >> >> NP: Arcade Fire, "Flashbulb Eyes" >> >> >> >> >> From: Dave Blackburn >> To: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com, >> Cc: Jimmy Stewart , JMDL JMDL >> Date: 10/29/2013 03:54 PM >> Subject: Re: Joni mention by Katy Perry >> >> >> >> Maybe she meant crabbier and more reclusive. >> >>> On Oct 29, 2013, at 11:04 AM, Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: >>> >>> That silly quote is about a month old...I laughed when I read it..."I'll >> >>> probably turn into more of a Joni Mitchell as I get older", which in her >> >>> pea-brain means she will play the acoustic guitar. As for me, I'm ready >> to >>> turn into George Clooney. >>> >>> Bob >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------ >> The information transmitted is intended only for the person >> or entity to which it is addressed and may contain >> proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. >> If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are >> hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, >> distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon >> this message is prohibited. 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