From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2013 #1475 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe:mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website:http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, October 30 2013 Volume 2013 : Number 1475 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Katy Perry On The 180 That Saved Her Career [Sally ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 01:10:09 -0400 From: Sally Subject: Re: Katy Perry On The 180 That Saved Her Career I'm female...I'm not feeling marginalized. In saying what he said, Bob was speaking as a huge fan of a different woman. minor feeling the angst. Bob...want me to "slap you with the splintered ruler"? ;) > On Oct 30, 2013, at 1:04 AM, "Arkay Adkisson" wrote: > > You are infinitely more patient and well-spoke than I.B > > > > I get angry not because I may or may not support Katy Perry's music, but > because referring to her in such a derogatory and dismissive way, does in > fact, continue the societal-wide marginalization of women. B > > > > > Perhaps this result is indeed SO contrary to the true intention, that this > becomes a moment of learning, thus un-learning, and a little growth > happens.B > > > > Perhaps.B > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b > Sent from Mailbox for iPhone > > > > On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 10:05 PM, Vince Lavieri > > wrote: > What follows below is the wording of NPR. I am not a Katy Perry fan but I > > found the interview informative in that my perceptions were altered as to her > > depth. Not that she has to answer to me. The fact that Scott Simon did a > > piece on her says something profound about her. And I wish the Huffington > > Post article had had more content on Perry's Joni comment. > > > What I know is this, that as a whole with some obvious exceptions the JMDL > > tends to trash on all younger female pop singers. An Erica Badu will get > some > > respect but mention Taylor Swift and the knives come out. A blues-y jazzy > Amy > > Winehouse gets love but a woman who sings in the pop category gets put down > > and castigated. And if a young female pop singer speaks of her respect for > > Joni, the hate fest erupts. As it did when Taylor Swift was connected to > > Joni, spoke well of her. The condescending comments were so numerous. > > > Young male pop singers also get dissed but the venom is stronger on the > > females. > > > I have said before and I will repeat, that too many (and one is too many) > have > > forgotten two things: 1. hope I did before I get old and 2. Mothers, fathers > > through out the land, don't criticize what you don't understand. > > > When I think of how my generation was in the late 60s and early 70s, with > > hair, clothes or lack thereof, sexual liberation, drugs, and all kinds of > > posing and self aggrandizement, a Katy Perry, Lorde, Miley Cyrus, Gaga, > > Kei$ha, are what they are: us reflected back at ourselves. They are us, > > current generation to our faded generation that mocks the way our parents > > mocked our music. The quip (which I suspect was said in humor, not to hurt) > > about blue hair would never be made about Cindi Lauper but then she is in her > > 40s or 50s. Katy Perry's hair has always been black to my knowledge but > maybe > > I missed a color change. Prism is a powerful album, Roar to me is over done > > but so is all Led Zepplin. Not like she invented the arena sound. Teenage > > Dream was one of the great albums of this decade. One can respect what we do > > not like, understand what is not our genre, and realize that sometimes the > > snark comes on so strong it invites the charge of misogyny and reflects > poorly > > on the elders who are pissed off by the music of the young, which of course > > the young should be doing, and that female pop singers do not diminish Joni > by > > the fact of their talent and success. > > > Vince who wishes people listened to what Miley sang when she twerked Robin > and > > remembered that group sex in public was a fun fashion for people now in their > > 50s and 60s who are shocked, shocked that someone would act out why don't we > > do it in the road. And is in agreement with those who have been troubled by > > the Katy Perry comments today. > > > > > > > I found the following story on the NPR iPhone App: > > > Katy Perry On The 180 That Saved Her Career > > by NPR Staff > > > NPR - October 26, 2013 > > > Katy Perry is among the world's biggest pop artists, but her fans know her > > current career is actually a second take. She first tried her hand in the > > music world as a teenager, making Christian music as Katy Hudson. She > released > > an album in 2001, which failed to break through.... > > > http://www.npr.org/2013/10/26/240760441/katy-perry-returns-with-a-roar?sc=17& > > f=7 > > > > > Sent from my iPhone ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2013 #1475 ****************************** ------- To post messages to the list, sendtojoni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------