From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2013 #1468 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe:mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website:http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, October 30 2013 Volume 2013 : Number 1468 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Katy Perry On The 180 That Saved Her Career [Gerald P Kent Subject: Re: Katy Perry On The 180 That Saved Her Career Vince, thank you for your honesty in addressing what I consider the JMDLer's (which I am one of) collective (sorry to many for the generalizing) disrespectful, condescending and somewhat uninformed opinions they/we develop relevant to any of the new persons in popular music. It makes me think of Sonny and Sher and the pop music they developed. Didn't the same promoter (aka David Geffen) develop them along with Laura Nyro (who wrote a number of tunes popularized by the 5th dimension, God forgive their "popness") and others? Thank you for being one of the few "listers" with the courage to challenge the others, the Joni I know would love it!!! Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 29, 2013, at 11:01 PM, Vince Lavieri wrote: > > What follows below is the wording of NPR. I am not a Katy Perry fan but I > found the interview informative in that my perceptions were altered as to her > depth. Not that she has to answer to me. The fact that Scott Simon did a > piece on her says something profound about her. And I wish the Huffington > Post article had had more content on Perry's Joni comment. > > What I know is this, that as a whole with some obvious exceptions the JMDL > tends to trash on all younger female pop singers. An Erica Badu will get some > respect but mention Taylor Swift and the knives come out. A blues-y jazzy Amy > Winehouse gets love but a woman who sings in the pop category gets put down > and castigated. And if a young female pop singer speaks of her respect for > Joni, the hate fest erupts. As it did when Taylor Swift was connected to > Joni, spoke well of her. The condescending comments were so numerous. > > Young male pop singers also get dissed but the venom is stronger on the > females. > > I have said before and I will repeat, that too many (and one is too many) have > forgotten two things: 1. hope I did before I get old and 2. Mothers, fathers > through out the land, don't criticize what you don't understand. > > When I think of how my generation was in the late 60s and early 70s, with > hair, clothes or lack thereof, sexual liberation, drugs, and all kinds of > posing and self aggrandizement, a Katy Perry, Lorde, Miley Cyrus, Gaga, > Kei$ha, are what they are: us reflected back at ourselves. They are us, > current generation to our faded generation that mocks the way our parents > mocked our music. The quip (which I suspect was said in humor, not to hurt) > about blue hair would never be made about Cindi Lauper but then she is in her > 40s or 50s. Katy Perry's hair has always been black to my knowledge but maybe > I missed a color change. Prism is a powerful album, Roar to me is over done > but so is all Led Zepplin. Not like she invented the arena sound. Teenage > Dream was one of the great albums of this decade. One can respect what we do > not like, understand what is not our genre, and realize that sometimes the > snark comes on so strong it invites the charge of misogyny and reflects poorly > on the elders who are pissed off by the music of the young, which of course > the young should be doing, and that female pop singers do not diminish Joni by > the fact of their talent and success. > > Vince who wishes people listened to what Miley sang when she twerked Robin and > remembered that group sex in public was a fun fashion for people now in their > 50s and 60s who are shocked, shocked that someone would act out why don't we > do it in the road. And is in agreement with those who have been troubled by > the Katy Perry comments today. > > > > > > I found the following story on the NPR iPhone App: > > Katy Perry On The 180 That Saved Her Career > by NPR Staff > > NPR - October 26, 2013 > > Katy Perry is among the world's biggest pop artists, but her fans know her > current career is actually a second take. She first tried her hand in the > music world as a teenager, making Christian music as Katy Hudson. She released > an album in 2001, which failed to break through.... > > http://www.npr.org/2013/10/26/240760441/katy-perry-returns-with-a-roar?sc=17& > f=7 > > > > Sent from my iPhone ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2013 #1468 ****************************** ------- To post messages to the list, sendtojoni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------