From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2013 #1403 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe:mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website:http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, October 17 2013 Volume 2013 : Number 1403 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Jaco [Corey Blake ] Jaco and Joni [Rob Steen ] Re: I hate Joni Mitchell [] Nash on Fresh Air [Kevin Foehr ] Re: I hate Joni Mitchell [Victor ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 09:13:23 -0700 From: Corey Blake Subject: Re: Jaco Hi Paul, Yes that definitely does happen, and I was too black and white in what I wrote. I don't know what the sexual harassment laws were at the time but (again, pretending this is true for a moment) Joni using her status as Jaco's employer to initiate a romantic or purely sexual relationship would be wrong. That being said, people can feel pressured and/compelled to participate in such a relationship but they're still making the decision. At least, as the alleged scenario is described. On Oct 16, 2013, at 11:01 PM, Paul Ivice wrote: > On Oct 16, 2013, at 7:50 PM, Corey Blake wrote: >> >> Sounds pretty absurd but pretending for a moment that the events are true, > no > one (not even Joni) can force someone to sleep with them. Either he chose to > be > unfaithful or he was raped. > > So, continuing under the theory that the allegations are true, there is no > such thing as sexual harassment in the workplace and all those women who > screwed their boss because they feared for their jobs were secretly choosing > to be unfaithful to their husbands, or they were raped? > What a crock. > I don't know Joni very well personally, having met her briefly only once, but > I know that most successful geniuses in almost any profession are selfish > bastards who want what they want when they want it and everyone else be > damned. > It's true of politicians, athletes, actors, high-powered business men and > every other field, and musicians may be among the worst offenders. > Even Albert Einstein was a notorious womanizer. > We have seen this pattern of behavior for a long time among successful men in > all of those professions, so without attacking Joni personally, why would it > be so hard to believe it could not be true of a woman? > > Paul Ivice ;>) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 03:39:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Rob Steen Subject: Jaco and Joni Haven't posted for ages but the Jaco story got me digging. The upshot was the following interview our Wally conducted with Ingrid, his second wife, which in my view contradicts the suggestion that Joni ruined either of his marriages: http://www.jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=1360 Bestest Rob Mobile: 07813 668726 Website: Bodacious.com THIS JUST IN...PADDY MAC: THE COMEBACK (https://sites.google.com/site/bodaciouscom/paddy-mac-the-comeback) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 16:57:22 -0700 From: Subject: Re: I hate Joni Mitchell Rubbish ! - -----Original Message----- From: Shari Eaton Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 4:27 PM To: Joni List Subject: I hate Joni Mitchell Copy/pasted from amazon customer reviews. Interesting take on her relationship with Jaco. Anyone know if this is utter rubbish or not? "I am a big Jaco Pastorius fan (self-proclaimed best bass player in the world). That is why I hate this weirdo/homewrecker. Joni Mitchell found out about Jaco and immediately recruited him for he was the most innovative and creative bass player around. Jaco at this point was as happy as can be with his wife Tracy and children. When Joni found Jaco, Jaco was big on life and a strict musician who had a very occasional drink. Joni saw his raw talent, skill, and feel as an oppurtunity to offer him a large sum of money to impregnate her in order to conceive a musically talented child. Jaco denied her proposal, but she still managed to reel him in and sleep with her. She knew very well that Jaco was happily married with kids (homewrecker), but she went for it anyway and unfortunately succeeded. After a while, Jaco's wife Tracy caught on and dropped Jaco like a bad habit. From this point on Jaco became very depressed which eventually drove him to alcoholism. The alcoholism eventual! ly led to the cocaine addiction and meltdown of his career. Jaco was one of the great ones. He had so much music left in him, but his life took a sudden downward spiral from his affair on which eventually led to his tragic death (murder). He was never the same after that and neither was his music. Jaco was angry and self-destructive after he lost his family. He would get wasted and pick fights with the biggest guy he could find. He fell apart because of Joni Mitchell's decision to break up his life (his love and his children). Therefore, I hereby state that I hope Joni dies sooner than later, for she ruined a huge piece of music history and the biggest piece of electric bass history yet. She ruined the great Jaco Pastorius. What a c_nt." - - Shari ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 15:18:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Kevin Foehr Subject: Nash on Fresh Air Hi, I haven't been paying close attention to the posts here recently, so you guys probably have already discussed this, but just in case: G Nash was on Fresh Air today hawking his new book. Very interesting interview, and I was probably the last to learn that he wrote the CSN song "Our House" about his and Joni's house at the time! http://www.npr.org/2013/10/15/234683906/graham-nash-has-wild-tales-to-spare Enjoy, Kevin >________________________________ > From: JMDL Digest >To: joni-digest@smoe.org >Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2013 2:33 PM >Subject: JMDL Digest V2013 #1391 > > > >JMDL Digest Tuesday, October 15 2013 Volume 2013 : Number 1391 > > > >========== > >TOPICS and authors in this Digest: >-------- > Re: JMDL Digest V2013 #1383 [carmel rotem ] > Re: JMDL Digest V2013 #1383 [carmel rotem ] > re: Joni Guitar/strings ["Pat Boland" ] > Pazfest ["Cassy" ] > Re: Joni and the loss of her Martin D-28 ["Pat Boland" ] > Re: Columbus Day? [Debra Pease ] > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 11:04:51 -0700 (PDT) >From: carmel rotem >Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2013 #1383 > >there's Robert Wyatt, who fell from the 4th floor window and became paralyzed >from the waist down. >he had to stop drumming moved to play the keyboard, and >later released his best solo album (to my opinion) - Rock Bottom. > >and of >course many musicians are/were suffering from depression, first one that comes >to my mind is Nick Drake (which music was very influenced by his depression). >Carmel. > > > >On Tuesday, October 15, 2013 4:24 AM, JMDL Digest > wrote: > > >JMDL Digest Monday, October 14 >2013 Volume 2013 : Number 1383 > > > >========== > >TOPICS and authors in >this Digest: >- -------- > Illness as fodder, njc I suppose >[jlhommedieu@insight.rr.com] >- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Date: >Mon, 14 Oct 2013 21:20:47 -0400 >From: jlhommedieu@insight.rr.com >Subject: >Illness as fodder, njc I suppose > >Yes. I'm sure that someone has already >mentioned the other Canadian polio survivor, Neil Young. > >Nash had both legs >broken. Crosby nearly killed himself with drugs, and then nearly died from a >failed liver(?). > >Levon Helm nearly died but came back and recorded a >Grammy-winning album, only to die soon after. > >James Taylor is a case unto >himself. > >Bob Dylan famously had a bad motorcycle accident that marked a >turning point, in an odyssey full of turning points. > >Bryan Thomas is doing >alright, even though he's too big for schenectady. > >Warren Zevon and Sir >George Harrison made music even when disease slowly consumed them. > >Shawn >Colvin has been writing in spite of debilitating depression for years. > >"And >you know there may be more." > >There is a pretty cool book called "Illness As >Metaphor" where Susan Sontag explores the topic in depth. > >Jim > > >do you know >of any other singer/songwriters who >> have battled illness while creating >musical brilliance during their >> careers? >> >> Ange >- ------------------------------ > >End of JMDL Digest V2013 #1383 >****************************** > >- ------- >To post messages to the list, >sendtojoni@smoe.org. >Unsubscribe by clicking here: >mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe >- ------- > >------------------------------ > >Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 11:04:51 -0700 (PDT) >From: carmel rotem >Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2013 #1383 > >there's Robert Wyatt, who fell from the 4th floor window and became paralyzed >from the waist down. >he had to stop drumming moved to play the keyboard, and >later released his best solo album (to my opinion) - Rock Bottom. > >and of >course many musicians are/were suffering from depression, first one that comes >to my mind is Nick Drake (which music was very influenced by his depression). >Carmel. > > > >On Tuesday, October 15, 2013 4:24 AM, JMDL Digest > wrote: > > >JMDL Digest Monday, October 14 >2013 Volume 2013 : Number 1383 > > > >========== > >TOPICS and authors in >this Digest: >- -------- > Illness as fodder, njc I suppose >[jlhommedieu@insight.rr.com] >- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Date: >Mon, 14 Oct 2013 21:20:47 -0400 >From: jlhommedieu@insight.rr.com >Subject: >Illness as fodder, njc I suppose > >Yes. I'm sure that someone has already >mentioned the other Canadian polio survivor, Neil Young. > >Nash had both legs >broken. Crosby nearly killed himself with drugs, and then nearly died from a >failed liver(?). > >Levon Helm nearly died but came back and recorded a >Grammy-winning album, only to die soon after. > >James Taylor is a case unto >himself. > >Bob Dylan famously had a bad motorcycle accident that marked a >turning point, in an odyssey full of turning points. > >Bryan Thomas is doing >alright, even though he's too big for schenectady. > >Warren Zevon and Sir >George Harrison made music even when disease slowly consumed them. > >Shawn >Colvin has been writing in spite of debilitating depression for years. > >"And >you know there may be more." > >There is a pretty cool book called "Illness As >Metaphor" where Susan Sontag explores the topic in depth. > >Jim > > >do you know >of any other singer/songwriters who >> have battled illness while creating >musical brilliance during their >> careers? >> >> Ange >- ------------------------------ > >End of JMDL Digest V2013 #1383 >****************************** > >- ------- >To post messages to the list, >sendtojoni@smoe.org. >Unsubscribe by clicking here: >mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe >- ------- > >------------------------------ > >Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 21:55:25 +1000 >From: "Pat Boland" >Subject: re: Joni Guitar/strings > >Just a side note: When the question was posed >"Would anyone know >what >brand/gauge guitar strings Joni favored during for her >acoustic guitar >work?" I responded that I believed >that Joni used DeAngelico silk and >steel. > >I was listening >to an audio clip someone posted from utube where, at the >start of the >live performance in a coffeehouse Joni breaks a string as she >is >tuning and calls out 'Does anyone happen to have a DeAngelico? ...just >thought I'd throw that out >there. ;) > > Pat > >------------------------------ > >Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 11:32:17 -0700 >From: "Cassy" >Subject: Pazfest > >For those who are not on Facebook, I would like to publicly thank Michael Paz >for his hard work in putting this event together. Though not a financial >success for the charity due to the fear-mongering surrounding Hurricane Karen >it was a social success for those among us who enjoy gathering with our peers >to celebrate Joni Mitchell and her music. > >The performances for the main event, Robin and Dave's Friday night gig and the >Sunday night JMDL show were stellar and the ambiance of New Orleans just made >the whole weekend one to remember. > >Freda's gumbo.. need I say more? The combined efforts of JMDLers to prep the >ingredients and put this dinner together was the epitome of teamwork. > >Kris and Kevin were such excellent hosts they truly added to the event. > >For those of you who were unable to attend it is still possible to donate to >the Ruth Paz Foundation. There have been some difficulties with the donate >button on the website and Michael is working with the web host to repair it. >In the meantime anyone who would like to donate can send a check made out to >the Ruth Paz Foundation and mail it to me. I will forward all checks received >to Michael. Be sure to include your return address and I will send you one of >the fabulous 2013 Pazfest button as a thank you. > >Mail checks made payable to the Ruth Paz Foundation to: >Cassy Horrocks >18534 7th Ave NE >Shoreline WA 98155 > >Thank you to everyone who helped make this a weekend for the memory books. > >Warmly, >Cassy > >Public Photos: > >Pre Pazfest: >https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000604561802&sk=photos&collection_ >token=100000604561802%3A2305272732%3A69&set=a.702882789741867.1073741829.1000 >00604561802&type=3 > >Pazfest: >https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000604561802&sk=photos&collection_ >token=100000604561802%3A2305272732%3A69&set=a.705280549502091.1073741830.1000 >00604561802&type=3 > >Post Pazfest and JMDL show: >https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000604561802&sk=photos&collection_ >token=100000604561802%3A2305272732%3A69&set=a.706055202757959.1073741832.1000 >00604561802&type=3 > >------------------------------ > >Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 21:06:09 +1000 >From: "Pat Boland" >Subject: Re: Joni and the loss of her Martin D-28 > >In 1967 on one of the >weekends when Joni played at our coffeehouse, the Folk Cellar III in Port >Huron MI, >she had flown in from playing a gig in Toronto and was >very upset because the airline had damaged her D28 >and she was >without a guitar. I also had a Martin D28 which I bought from Dean >Rutledge for $200. It had >shaved braces from a previous owner which >gave it an unusually warm, golden bass tone which suited my voice >just fine. Joni must have had it in mind as here she was, to play the >weekend with no guitar and she asked me >right off if she could borrow >mine. Of course I said yes as she knew I would and that weekend Joni used >my >D28 to perform. She said my guitar was 'beautiful' and was very >thankful. >List-member Brian S. Moss, the manager, was there at the >time and I'm sure he would remember this event. >Joni also let me play >her guitar after that. It had a very solid, clean sound. > >Regards, > > Pat > > > >Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 16:22:50 -0400 From: simon@icu.com >Subject: Re: Joni and the loss of her Martin D-28 On Oct 14, 2013, at >3:34 PM, Susan E. McNamara wrote: > Great >stuff on Joni's guitars, Simon. Thanks. What is the definitive story of >what happened > to Joni's Martin? >I've heard several versions, but I'm not sure which one is right. I am >pretty > sure it was a Martin D-25 >that was given to her by a soldier in 1967, right? > Boy, I would love me that guitar!!! :-) >Sue, The following, from ACOUSTIC GUITAR Magazine - Aug. 1996, is the >true story, confirmed by Joel Bernstein. Joni Mitchell has never >quite gotten over the first guitar she loved and lost: a 1956 Martin D-28 > she got circa 1966 from a marine captain stationed at Fort Bragg, >North Carolina. The guitar had accompanied him to Vietnam and was in >his tent when it was hit with shrapnel. "There were two >instruments and all this captain's stuff in there," Mitchell says. > "When they cleared the wreckage, all that survived was this guitar. >I don't know whether the explosion did something to the modules in >the wood, but that guitar was a trooper, man." Mitchell played >that D-28 on all her early albums. Before she recorded COURT >And SPARK, it was damaged on an airline, and soon after it was stolen >off a luggage carousel in Maui. Wistfully, she adds, "I've never >found an acoustic that could compare with it." > > The sad thing is, that guitar is probably out there somewhere. Someone >likely owns Joni's D-28 and doesn't have a clue to its history. Joel >regrets not recording the Serial No. when he had the change. We'll never >know. andmoreagain, - - - - - - - - - - - simonM > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2013 11:20:59 -0400 >From: Debra Pease >Subject: Re: Columbus Day? > >Wow. Thanks for putting this insight together. So sad what the white man did to the native americans. > >On Oct 12, 2013, at 9:20 AM, simon@icu.com wrote: > >> October 12 >> >> >> The DISCOVERY >> >> In 1492 the natives discovered they were Indians, >> >> they discovered they lived in America, >> >> they discovered they were naked, >> >> they discovered there was sin, >> >> they discovered they owed obedience to a king and a queen >> >> from another world and a god from some other heaven, >> >> and this god had invented guilt and clothing >> >> and had ordered burned alive all who worshipped the sun and >> >> the moon and the earth and the rain that moistens it. >> >> >> >> >> andmoreagain, >> - - - - - - - - - - >> simonM >> >> PS: Columbus, the Last! man to discover America, discovered he was lost. > >------------------------------ > >End of JMDL Digest V2013 #1391 >****************************** > >------- >To post messages to the list, sendtojoni@smoe.org. >Unsubscribe by clicking here: >mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe >------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 20:37:58 -0400 From: Victor Subject: Re: I hate Joni Mitchell This links sheds a little more light.. http://books.google.com/books?id=iXDAtco1x5YC&pg=PA100&lpg=PA99&ots=K6IFM7WxO S&focus=viewport&dq=joni+mitchell+affair+with+jaco&output=html_text ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2013 #1403 ****************************** ------- To post messages to the list, sendtojoni@smoe.org. 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