From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2013 #1400 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe:mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website:http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, October 17 2013 Volume 2013 : Number 1400 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: JMDL Digest V2013 #1397 [Catherine McKay ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 07:04:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2013 #1397 The very fact that the poster/commentator on the Jaco bio said s/he wished Joni would die and called her a c*nt automatically invalidates anything else they said and makes me doubt their mental health. On Thursday, October 17, 2013 9:55:08 AM, Laurie Antonioli wrote: My two cents on Jaco: he was mentally ill AND an addict and no one can >MAKE someone become this. I saw him in a very bizarre circumstance toward >the end of his life where I called security on him and then someone told me >it was "Jaco" and so once his identity was established we just let him >wander around backstage at a huge event I was producing. It was very sad. >Heartbreaking. The whole jazz community that was at the event (the >musicians) were all upset to see him like this. It was like seeing Chet >Baker at the end of his life. No one does this to someone, you can not >blame an outside thing for becoming mentally ill or an addict, which he >was, and though there are often contributing factors, I'm quite sure Joni >can not be blamed for his demise. It's ludicrous. Here's some info from >Wikipedia: > >*By 1986, Pastorius' health had further deteriorated. He had been evicted >from his New York apartment and began living on the >streets.[22]In >July 1986, following intervention by his then ex-wife Ingrid with the >help of his brother Gregory, he was admitted to Bellevue >Hospitalin New York, >where he was prescribed >Tegretol in preference to >Lithium >.[21]He >moved back to Fort Lauderdale in December of that year, again living >on >the streets for weeks at a >time.[22] >* > >*After sneaking onstage at a Carlos >Santanaconcert on >September 11, 1987, and being ejected from the premises, >Pastorius made his way to the Midnight Bottle Club in Wilton Manors, >Florida >.[23] After >reportedly kicking in a glass door, having been refused entrance to the >club, he was engaged in a violent confrontation with the club >bouncer, >Luc Havan.[24] Pastorius >was hospitalized for multiple facial fractures and injuries to >his right eye and left arm. He fell into a coma and was put on life >support >.* > >I can not confirm a Widipedia entry, but, I saw this exact same behavior >that night he was at our event. This was in 1983...so he was living like >this for many years before he finally passed and lots of people tried to >help him, but couldn't. Again: heartbreaking and, whomever thought it'd >be cute to blame Joni for this must not know or understand who Jaco was and >the terrible demons that haunted him. > > > > > >On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 11:32 PM, JMDL Digest wrote: > >> >> JMDL Digest Thursday, October 17 2013 Volume 2013 : Number 1397 >> >> >> >> ========== >> >> TOPICS and authors in this Digest: >> -------- >> Re: Columbus getting lost day [ >> BarbaRent7@aol.com] >> Jaco/Joni [Sharon Watkins < >> swat676699@aol.com>] >> Jaco [Paul Ivice < >> ivpaul42@aol.com>] >> Re: Jaco [Shari Eaton < >> shari@sharieaton.com>] >> >> - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 23:22:38 -0400 (EDT) >> From: BarbaRent7@aol.com >> Subject: Re: Columbus getting lost day >> >> I agree with you Jim about Columbus not being solely responsible but an >> example of white arrogance and greed...it should not be a holiday, and why >> didn't Christopher just get a map from Life Erikson who was there first? >> Another 500 yrs and who knows? All of the tribes might have killed off >> each other... >> >> Peace, Babs of CA >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 20:40:56 - -0500 >> From: Sharon Watkins >> Subject: Jaco/Joni >> >> It takes two to tango. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> - ------------------------------ >> >> Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 02:01:57 -0400 (EDT) >> From: Paul Ivice >> Subject: Jaco >> >> On Oct 16, 2013, at 7:50 PM, Corey Blake wrote: >> > >> > Sounds pretty absurd but pretending for a moment that the events are >> true, >> no >> one (not even Joni) can force someone to sleep with them. Either he chose >> to >> be >> unfaithful or he was raped. >> >> So, continuing under the theory that the allegations are true, there is no >> such thing as sexual harassment in the workplace and all those women who >> screwed their boss because they feared for their jobs were secretly >> choosing >> to be unfaithful to their husbands, or they were raped? >> What a crock. >> I don't know Joni very well personally, having met her briefly only once, >> but >> I know that most successful geniuses in almost any profession are selfish >> bastards who want what they want when they want it and everyone else be >> damned. >> It's true of politicians, athletes, actors, high-powered business men and >> every other field, and musicians may be among the worst offenders. >> Even Albert Einstein was a notorious womanizer. >> We have seen this pattern of behavior for a long time among successful men >> in >> all of those professions, so without attacking Joni personally, why would >> it >> be so hard to believe it could not be true of a woman? >> >> Paul Ivice ;>) >> >> - ------------------------------ >> >> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 23:31:21 -0700 >> From: Shari Eaton >> Subject: Re: Jaco >> >> I don't know enough about Jaco to understand exactly what went on. It's >> hard to imagine Joni sitting idly by while he ruins his life, falls deep >> into depression, alcoholism, and violence without trying to pull him out of >> it or helping him somehow. It just doesn't ring true but this is seemingly >> what took place. >> >> My apologies if this offended some of you. His death is very sad and if I >> were a Jaco fan like I'm a Joni fan I could imagine feeling the pain this >> man expressed (on amazon ??) >> >> Let's consider this conversation null and void. I was hoping to hear >> validation of her innocence but this is really just a dynamic that took >> place between the two of them that we can never know about. >> >> - - Shari >> >> > On Oct 16, 2013, at 11:01 PM, Paul Ivice wrote: >> > >> >> On Oct 16, 2013, at 7:50 PM, Corey Blake wrote: >> >> >> >> Sounds pretty absurd but pretending for a moment that the events are >> true, >> > no >> > one (not even Joni) can force someone to sleep with them. Either he >> chose to >> > be >> > unfaithful or he was raped. >> > >> > So, continuing under the theory that the allegations are true, there is >> no >> > such thing as sexual harassment in the workplace and all those women who >> > screwed their boss because they feared for their jobs were secretly >> choosing >> > to be unfaithful to their husbands, or they were raped? >> > What a crock. >> > I don't know Joni very well personally, having met her briefly only >> once, but >> > I know that most successful geniuses in almost any profession are selfish >> > bastards who want what they want when they want it and everyone else be >> > damned. >> > It's true of politicians, athletes, actors, high-powered business men and >> > every other field, and musicians may be among the worst offenders. >> > Even Albert Einstein was a notorious womanizer. >> > We have seen this pattern of behavior for a long time among successful >> men in >> > all of those professions, so without attacking Joni personally, why >> would it >> > be so hard to believe it could not be true of a woman? >> > >> > Paul Ivice ;>) >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> End of JMDL Digest V2013 #1397 >> ****************************** >> >> ------- >> To post messages to the list, sendtojoni@smoe.org. >> Unsubscribe by clicking here: >> mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe >> - ------- ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2013 #1400 ****************************** ------- To post messages to the list, sendtojoni@smoe.org. 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