From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2013 #1342 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe:mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website:http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, October 2 2013 Volume 2013 : Number 1342 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Girls Like Us, njc [jlhommedieu@insight.rr.com] Joni Musings [Mary Morris ] NOT BAD! [donald.barthel@kodak.com] Re: Girls Like Us [Gerald Kent ] Re: Girls Like Us [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: Girls Like Us [Gerald Kent ] Relationships with Joni Mitchell [Raffaele Malanga ] A Little McGarrigle Gift [simon@icu.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2013 00:03:45 -0400 From: jlhommedieu@insight.rr.com Subject: Re: Girls Like Us, njc He said that about Joni too. I don't know why though. Jim L. Gerald Kent said in part, > Actually, if I understand comments made by Geffen, he felt that Laura sort of "turned" on him.> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2013 17:14:58 -0700 From: Mary Morris Subject: Joni Musings Ok, I will submit this again, because I think it speaks to Joni's universality, her popularity. I love all the detailed, rich musician observations of late & I really want to play a musical instrument. It is like a different language that you all speak, of which I am enthralled. I haven't seen this article on jonimitchell.com or on jmdl so I am sending it again, in hopes it reaches an ear ...or two.... please, I'm begging you....I just want to talk to you. http://www.latimes.com/features/home/laaffairs/la-hm-affairs-20130928b,0,743 6683.story GREETINGS FROM THE TRIPLE M Down a gravel road, where the barb wire meets the sky. MARY M. MORRIS ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2013 13:41:10 -0400 From: donald.barthel@kodak.com Subject: NOT BAD! http://artery.wbur.org/2013/10/01/tierney-sutton Donald R. Barthel FPEG RFS FORMULATION Formulation Technician 585-477-7110 x77110 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2013 09:58:20 -0400 From: Gerald Kent Subject: Re: Girls Like Us Interesting! I recently saw Sarah Dash (formerly of Patty LaBelle and the Bluebells then LaBelle) at 54 Below in New York. I had the privilege of talking to her after the show. She talked about the making of the album "Gonna Take a Miracle". She described hanging out with Laura at her apartment in Harlem, fascinating stuff. Anyway, she talked about (albeit briefly) Laura's feelings about Geffen (which were not terrific nor were Sarah's feelings about Patty) (GRRRRRR). Sent from my iPad > On Oct 1, 2013, at 9:40 AM, Anne Sandstrom wrote: > > In the PBS special on Geffen, he talked about it. Laura apparently signed with a different label, which miffed him no end. (at least that's what I recall) He felt that he'd really protected and nourished her, letting her express herself freely through her writing, rather than trying to insist she write hit songs. > > Lots of love, > Anne > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Gerald Kent > Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2013 9:34 AM > To: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com > Cc: Paul Ivice; joni@smoe.org > Subject: Re: Girls Like Us > > Plus the extra ordinary relationship Laura had with David Geffen prior to his association with Joni and Cher. Actually, if I understand comments made by Geffen, he felt that Laura sort of "turned" on him. Anyone know more about that? > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Oct 1, 2013, at 8:05 AM, Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: >> >> Firstly, I think Carly Simon is a good songwriter-singer who got a >> nice head start by being born into privilege. I have several of her >> records and have enjoyed them for some time. Having said that, it >> would be VERY difficult to compare Simon's artistic output with that >> of Laura Nyro, a unique and brilliant talent. Maybe if Colin were >> still here he could give it a shot. >> >> However, let us not forget that Girls Like Us was not merely about the >> songwriting/performing but also highlighted the lives of these >> performers with changing social mores of the times. Keeping THAT in >> mind, Laura would have been even a BETTER inclusion, based on her >> several marriages, having an interracial son out of wedlock, etc. She >> seemed to live her life on her own terms. I'm sure there are others here who can expand upon that. >> >> Laura is like Joni in that she didn't have a string of hits (as Carly >> did) but she articulated an artistic vision that spawned a rabid fan >> base and established a legacy of amazing songs. >> >> Bob >> >> >> >> >> From: Paul Ivice >> To: joni@smoe.org, >> Date: 09/30/2013 10:46 PM >> Subject: Girls Like Us >> Sent by: owner-joni@smoe.org >> >> >> >> "I agree, Laura Nyro would have been much better." >> >> Several listers have made comments like the one above about how Laura >> Nyro would have been a better fit with Carole King and Joni Mitchell >> for "Girls Like Us" than Carly Simon, but none of them gave any >> reasons for this belief. >> I will try to articulate it. >> Carly came from a wealthy family and was a performer )with her >> sisters) long before she was a songwriter. >> Like Carole King and Joni Mitchell, Laura Nyro came from a more modest >> background and was writing songs performed by otherrs before she >> became a performer herself. >> Anyone else have any other thoughts on this? >> >> >> Paul Ivice ;>) >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------ >> The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity >> to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, >> business-confidential and/or privileged material. >> If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby >> notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, >> distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this >> message is prohibited. 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If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this message, all attachments and all copies and backups thereof. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2013 08:05:53 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Girls Like Us Firstly, I think Carly Simon is a good songwriter-singer who got a nice head start by being born into privilege. I have several of her records and have enjoyed them for some time. Having said that, it would be VERY difficult to compare Simon's artistic output with that of Laura Nyro, a unique and brilliant talent. Maybe if Colin were still here he could give it a shot. However, let us not forget that Girls Like Us was not merely about the songwriting/performing but also highlighted the lives of these performers with changing social mores of the times. Keeping THAT in mind, Laura would have been even a BETTER inclusion, based on her several marriages, having an interracial son out of wedlock, etc. She seemed to live her life on her own terms. I'm sure there are others here who can expand upon that. Laura is like Joni in that she didn't have a string of hits (as Carly did) but she articulated an artistic vision that spawned a rabid fan base and established a legacy of amazing songs. Bob From: Paul Ivice To: joni@smoe.org, Date: 09/30/2013 10:46 PM Subject: Girls Like Us Sent by: owner-joni@smoe.org "I agree, Laura Nyro would have been much better." Several listers have made comments like the one above about how Laura Nyro would have been a better fit with Carole King and Joni Mitchell for "Girls Like Us" than Carly Simon, but none of them gave any reasons for this belief. I will try to articulate it. Carly came from a wealthy family and was a performer )with her sisters) long before she was a songwriter. Like Carole King and Joni Mitchell, Laura Nyro came from a more modest background and was writing songs performed by otherrs before she became a performer herself. Anyone else have any other thoughts on this? Paul Ivice ;>) - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2013 09:50:52 -0400 From: Gerald Kent Subject: Re: Girls Like Us Now that would make a good movie story line! Sent from my iPad > On Oct 1, 2013, at 9:40 AM, Anne Sandstrom wrote: > > In the PBS special on Geffen, he talked about it. Laura apparently signed with a different label, which miffed him no end. (at least that's what I recall) He felt that he'd really protected and nourished her, letting her express herself freely through her writing, rather than trying to insist she write hit songs. > > Lots of love, > Anne > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Gerald Kent > Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2013 9:34 AM > To: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com > Cc: Paul Ivice; joni@smoe.org > Subject: Re: Girls Like Us > > Plus the extra ordinary relationship Laura had with David Geffen prior to his association with Joni and Cher. Actually, if I understand comments made by Geffen, he felt that Laura sort of "turned" on him. Anyone know more about that? > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Oct 1, 2013, at 8:05 AM, Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: >> >> Firstly, I think Carly Simon is a good songwriter-singer who got a >> nice head start by being born into privilege. I have several of her >> records and have enjoyed them for some time. Having said that, it >> would be VERY difficult to compare Simon's artistic output with that >> of Laura Nyro, a unique and brilliant talent. Maybe if Colin were >> still here he could give it a shot. >> >> However, let us not forget that Girls Like Us was not merely about the >> songwriting/performing but also highlighted the lives of these >> performers with changing social mores of the times. Keeping THAT in >> mind, Laura would have been even a BETTER inclusion, based on her >> several marriages, having an interracial son out of wedlock, etc. She >> seemed to live her life on her own terms. I'm sure there are others here who can expand upon that. >> >> Laura is like Joni in that she didn't have a string of hits (as Carly >> did) but she articulated an artistic vision that spawned a rabid fan >> base and established a legacy of amazing songs. >> >> Bob >> >> >> >> >> From: Paul Ivice >> To: joni@smoe.org, >> Date: 09/30/2013 10:46 PM >> Subject: Girls Like Us >> Sent by: owner-joni@smoe.org >> >> >> >> "I agree, Laura Nyro would have been much better." >> >> Several listers have made comments like the one above about how Laura >> Nyro would have been a better fit with Carole King and Joni Mitchell >> for "Girls Like Us" than Carly Simon, but none of them gave any >> reasons for this belief. >> I will try to articulate it. >> Carly came from a wealthy family and was a performer )with her >> sisters) long before she was a songwriter. >> Like Carole King and Joni Mitchell, Laura Nyro came from a more modest >> background and was writing songs performed by otherrs before she >> became a performer herself. >> Anyone else have any other thoughts on this? >> >> >> Paul Ivice ;>) >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------ >> The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity >> to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, >> business-confidential and/or privileged material. >> If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby >> notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, >> distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this >> message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact >> the sender and delete the material from any computer. >> >> Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender >> and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. >> ------------------------------------------------------------ > > This e-mail message and all attachments transmitted with it may contain privileged and/or confidential information intended solely for the use of the addressee(s). If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any reading, dissemination, distribution, copying, forwarding or other use of this message or its attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this message, all attachments and all copies and backups thereof. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2013 20:09:15 +0100 From: Raffaele Malanga Subject: Relationships with Joni Mitchell A rather nice article I just bumped into on the LA Times. Sorry if it has been posted already Raf http://touch.latimes.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-77576531/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2013 15:42:08 +0000 From: "Susan E. McNamara" Subject: RE: Book or bio I did enjoy reading Girls Like Us. There were sections in the Joni bio that were very sad that I hadn't heard about before. I recently attended a Cabaret show at our local community theatre of three marvelous singers performing a tribute to Joni, Carole King and Laura Nyro that was absolutely amazing (their back up band was local musicians, all women, two veterans from our local Joni Tribute night). I couldn't help thinking that girls like us would have been better if the third woman was Laura Nyro instead of Carly Simon. Susan Tierney McNamara email: sem8@cornell.edu - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Robert Procyk Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2013 2:30 AM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Book or bio It's funny how all of us on the JMDL can differ so greatly - I think Girls Like Us is the definitive Joni bio, and the Mercer book is completely affected rubbish. But then there are others who totally disagree. And it's sorta cool that we can disagree in these ways. My advice is to try them all out and see what you like (except that Hinton book - I think we all agree that is rubbish). Rob Sent from my iPhone ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2013 21:51:49 -0400 From: simon@icu.com Subject: A Little McGarrigle Gift I thought it was time for "A Little McGarrigle Gift" Whether you familiar with Kate & Anna McGarrigle or not, I'm quite sure that most who enjoy Joni Mitchell, will find something to like and admire about the music of 'The Sisters' as some of us refer to Kate & Anna. I recently UpLoaded -7- Misc. Songs via Hightail. They can be DownLoaded at @ Once again it's a zip.file. Once you've DownLoaded the file, you'll have a folder containing -7- songs. Here's the list: - - - - - - 1. SUGAR BABY.mp4 -- this is a Video Performance from "The Harry Smith Project - Anthology of American Folk Music REVISITED" recorded April 26, 2001 2. SUGAR BABY 3. YOU'RE GONNA NEED SOMEBODY ON YOUR BOND (Kate sings the Blues) I recorded both of these at "The Bottom Line - NYC" on Feb. 15, 2003. The next -2- songs do not appear on any of Kate & Anna's albums 4. PETITE ANNOUNCE AMOUREUSE From a CD Anthology titled "BITTERSWEET CANADA: Songs of The New Depression" Recorded in April 1992 5. BALLAD FOR LITTLE JO (End Title) -- from the SoundTrack of the film "The Ballad of Little Jo" Recorded 1993 6. COOL RIVER -- Maria Muldaur This song is from Maria's 2nd solo album, and features 'The Sisters' on harmony vocals. THIS song is the first time I actually heard 'The Sisters'. It was written by Anna. Maria had already recorded one of Kate's songs (The Work Song) on her first album. Kate & Anna's first recording contract was a direct result of a series of Demo recordings made during the sessions for this album, Maria's "Waitress In A Donut Shop" LP. 7. COOL RIVER -- Anna McGarrigle -- from "The McGarrigle Hour" CD Here's what Jane McGarrigle says in the CD liner notes. For the last twenty-five years Kate & I thought this song was about the suicide by drowning of a neighbor in St. Sauveur. We only found out from Anna, at the time of this writing, that it's not about that at all. We were just crushed -- it made such a good story. But here's something that is true. Back in 1974 Joe Boyd was producing Maria Muldaur's second record WAITRESS IN A DONUT SHOP. Under the impression that Kate had written "Cool River," Joe flew her to Los Angeles to play a piano track on the song. When he found out Anna ("You mean there's another one?") had written it with her friend Audrey Bean, he flew Anna out to California and they both did backing vocals on Maria's record. While there was tape running, Kate and Anna put down some of their songs and voila! A Career Was Born. - - - - - Listening to this song, I think I know how Anna feels. I feel that way too. Kate's passing is truly depressing. A little light went out of my life. At least we still have the music. andmoreagain, - - - - - - - - - - simonM ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2013 #1342 ****************************** ------- To post messages to the list, sendtojoni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------