From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2013 #1341 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe:mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website:http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, October 1 2013 Volume 2013 : Number 1341 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Girls Like Us [Gerald Kent ] Re: Song For Sharon, Illustrated [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Song For Sharon, Illustrated [Marianne Rizzo ] Re: Girls Like Us [Rick Hobbs-Seeley ] Re: Song For Sharon, Illustrated [Catherine McKay ] A Little McGarrigle Gift [simon@icu.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2013 09:34:13 -0400 From: Gerald Kent Subject: Re: Girls Like Us Plus the extra ordinary relationship Laura had with David Geffen prior to his association with Joni and Cher. Actually, if I understand comments made by Geffen, he felt that Laura sort of "turned" on him. Anyone know more about that? Sent from my iPad > On Oct 1, 2013, at 8:05 AM, Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: > > Firstly, I think Carly Simon is a good songwriter-singer who got a nice > head start by being born into privilege. I have several of her records and > have enjoyed them for some time. Having said that, it would be VERY > difficult to compare Simon's artistic output with that of Laura Nyro, a > unique and brilliant talent. Maybe if Colin were still here he could give > it a shot. > > However, let us not forget that Girls Like Us was not merely about the > songwriting/performing but also highlighted the lives of these performers > with changing social mores of the times. Keeping THAT in mind, Laura would > have been even a BETTER inclusion, based on her several marriages, having > an interracial son out of wedlock, etc. She seemed to live her life on her > own terms. I'm sure there are others here who can expand upon that. > > Laura is like Joni in that she didn't have a string of hits (as Carly did) > but she articulated an artistic vision that spawned a rabid fan base and > established a legacy of amazing songs. > > Bob > > > > > From: Paul Ivice > To: joni@smoe.org, > Date: 09/30/2013 10:46 PM > Subject: Girls Like Us > Sent by: owner-joni@smoe.org > > > > "I agree, Laura Nyro would have been much better." > > Several listers have made comments like the one above about how Laura Nyro > would have been a better fit with Carole King and Joni Mitchell for "Girls > Like Us" than Carly Simon, but none of them gave any reasons for this > belief. > I will try to articulate it. > Carly came from a wealthy family and was a performer )with her sisters) > long > before she was a songwriter. > Like Carole King and Joni Mitchell, Laura Nyro came from a more modest > background and was writing songs performed by otherrs before she became a > performer herself. > Anyone else have any other thoughts on this? > > > Paul Ivice ;>) > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > The information transmitted is intended only for the person > or entity to which it is addressed and may contain > proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. > If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are > hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, > distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon > this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please > contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. > > Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual > sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. > ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2013 08:05:53 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Song For Sharon, Illustrated I LOVE that video - sent it to the JMDL Facebook page some time ago, in fact. I like the ingenious way the illustrator always seems to have Joni blowing smoke of some kind. Bob From: Betsy Blue To: joni@smoe.org, Date: 09/30/2013 10:49 PM Subject: Song For Sharon, Illustrated Sent by: owner-joni@smoe.org There are a few animations of Joni's songs on YouTube, but the comic book treatment of Song For Sharon really impressed me. There is a link to the illustrator's explanation of each of the 22 pages. YouTube.com/watch?v=X1UXqTDIfIY - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2013 10:30:51 -0400 From: Marianne Rizzo Subject: Song For Sharon, Illustrated http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1UXqTDIfIY Betsy, This is WONDERFUL! Thanks for sharing that.\ and hello to everyone on the list, I have not posted in a while but, but . . . you are in my heart. Marianne From: Betsy Blue Subject: Song For Sharon, Illustrated There are a few animations of Joni's songs on YouTube, but the comic book treatment of Song For Sharon really impressed me. There is a link to the illustrator's explanation of each of the 22 pages. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2013 08:34:08 -0700 From: Rick Hobbs-Seeley Subject: Re: Girls Like Us I've enjoyed this thread. The subjects of Girls Like Us mirrored three of my go to artists back in the day. I've had the book since it came out, but, it still sits on the shelf unread. I was a big Carly fan in her early period. Anticipation, No Secrets, Hot Cakes and especially Another Passenger are among my large list of favorite albums. It was probably Carly who moved me (officially) to Joni and Joni to Carole. Before these women, I was strictly a Bowie-Stones-Who genre devotee. To me, Carly offered whimsy (Fairweather Father, Older Sister) and frequently more frilly production on the same LP with her more sedate, serious works (Libby, At Times When My Head). The LP listening experience was a good balance to my ears. I've always enjoyed a little indulgent production and whimsy - that not being an adjective I'd use as frequently when describing Joni's music to a friend. Having said that, when Carly became Oscar worthy and Kennedy-esque, her output was lost on me. One of her latest offerings, The Bedroom Tapes, to me, was dismal. Although she was battling breast cancer which probably added to its darkness. Overall, I'm glad she's enjoyed so much success. I understand she is a sophisticated woman and devoted mother with a warm, caring spirit. No regrets. Coyote Rick PS: Y'all have fun in New Orleans. I'll be there in spirit. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 1, 2013, at 5:05 AM, Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: Firstly, I think Carly Simon is a good songwriter-singer who got a nice head start by being born into privilege. I have several of her records and have enjoyed them for some time. Having said that, it would be VERY difficult to compare Simon's artistic output with that of Laura Nyro, a unique and brilliant talent. Maybe if Colin were still here he could give it a shot. However, let us not forget that Girls Like Us was not merely about the songwriting/performing but also highlighted the lives of these performers with changing social mores of the times. Keeping THAT in mind, Laura would have been even a BETTER inclusion, based on her several marriages, having an interracial son out of wedlock, etc. She seemed to live her life on her own terms. I'm sure there are others here who can expand upon that. Laura is like Joni in that she didn't have a string of hits (as Carly did) but she articulated an artistic vision that spawned a rabid fan base and established a legacy of amazing songs. Bob From: Paul Ivice To: joni@smoe.org, Date: 09/30/2013 10:46 PM Subject: Girls Like Us Sent by: owner-joni@smoe.org "I agree, Laura Nyro would have been much better." Several listers have made comments like the one above about how Laura Nyro would have been a better fit with Carole King and Joni Mitchell for "Girls Like Us" than Carly Simon, but none of them gave any reasons for this belief. I will try to articulate it. Carly came from a wealthy family and was a performer )with her sisters) long before she was a songwriter. Like Carole King and Joni Mitchell, Laura Nyro came from a more modest background and was writing songs performed by otherrs before she became a performer herself. Anyone else have any other thoughts on this? Paul Ivice ;>) - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2013 06:48:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Song For Sharon, Illustrated wow. This video is absolutely brilliant Thanks for letting us know about it. >________________________________ > From: Betsy Blue >To: joni@smoe.org >Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 10:46:38 PM >Subject: Song For Sharon, Illustrated > > >There are a few animations of Joni's songs on YouTube, but the comic book >treatment of Song For Sharon really impressed me. There is a link to the >illustrator's explanation of each of the 22 pages. >YouTube.com/watch?v=X1UXqTDIfIY ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2013 20:06:18 -0400 From: simon@icu.com Subject: A Little McGarrigle Gift Yesterday I sent -3- messages to the JMDL. The 3rd message sent was a PS: to the 2nd message. The 1st and 3rd messages were included in the latest JMDL Digest I rec'd (Vol.2013, #1340). The 2nd message was missing in action. So, for the benefit of those who might be interested, I am sending it again. My apologies to those receiving the 'Individual' messages for duplicating a message you've already read. - - - - - - Subject: A Little McGarrigle Gift Date: September 30, 2013 9:51:49 PM EDT From: simon@icu.com To: joni@smoe.org I thought it was time for "A Little McGarrigle Gift" Whether you familiar with Kate & Anna McGarrigle or not, I'm quite sure that most who enjoy Joni Mitchell, will find something to like and admire about the music of 'The Sisters' as some of us refer to Kate & Anna. I recently UpLoaded -7- Misc. Songs via Hightail. They can be DownLoaded at @ Once again it's a zip.file. Once you've DownLoaded the file, you'll have a folder containing -7- songs. Here's the list: - - - - - - 1. SUGAR BABY.mp4 -- this is a Video Performance from "The Harry Smith Project - Anthology of American Folk Music REVISITED" recorded April 26, 2001 2. SUGAR BABY 3. YOU'RE GONNA NEED SOMEBODY ON YOUR BOND (Kate sings the Blues) I recorded both of these at "The Bottom Line - NYC" on Feb. 15, 2003. The next -2- songs do not appear on any of Kate & Anna's albums 4. PETITE ANNOUNCE AMOUREUSE From a CD Anthology titled "BITTERSWEET CANADA: Songs of The New Depression" Recorded in April 1992 5. BALLAD FOR LITTLE JO (End Title) -- from the SoundTrack of the film "The Ballad of Little Jo" Recorded 1993 6. COOL RIVER -- Maria Muldaur This song is from Maria's 2nd solo album, and features 'The Sisters' on harmony vocals. THIS song is the first time I actually heard 'The Sisters'. It was written by Anna. Maria had already recorded one of Kate's songs (The Work Song) on her first album. Kate & Anna's first recording contract was a direct result of a series of Demo recordings made during the sessions for this album, Maria's "Waitress In A Donut Shop" LP. 7. COOL RIVER -- Anna McGarrigle -- from "The McGarrigle Hour" CD Here's what Jane McGarrigle says in the CD liner notes. For the last twenty-five years Kate & I thought this song was about the suicide by drowning of a neighbor in St. Sauveur. We only found out from Anna, at the time of this writing, that it's not about that at all. We were just crushed -- it made such a good story. But here's something that is true. Back in 1974 Joe Boyd was producing Maria Muldaur's second record WAITRESS IN A DONUT SHOP. Under the impression that Kate had written "Cool River," Joe flew her to Los Angeles to play a piano track on the song. When he found out Anna ("You mean there's another one?") had written it with her friend Audrey Bean, he flew Anna out to California and they both did backing vocals on Maria's record. While there was tape running, Kate and Anna put down some of their songs and voila! A Career Was Born. - - - - - Listening to this song, I think I know how Anna feels. I feel that way too. Kate's passing is truly depressing. A little light went out of my life. At least we still have the music. andmoreagain, - - - - - - - - - - simonM ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2013 #1341 ****************************** ------- To post messages to the list, sendtojoni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------