From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2013 #1337 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe:mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website:http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, September 29 2013 Volume 2013 : Number 1337 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: A Melody In Your Name [McKay Catherine ] RE: A Melody In Your Name ["Susan E. McNamara" ] Re: A Melody In Your Name [McKay Catherine ] new Hejira transcriptions [Dave Blackburn ] Re: new Hejira transcriptions [Dave Blackburn ] Re: A Melody In Your Name ["Susan E. McNamara" ] The Folk Tradition - Man Of Constant Sorrow [est86mlm@ameritech.net] Re: A Melody In Your Name/The Pink Nun ["Gary Z." ] Travelogue documentary [Damian Naimad ] New Library item: L.A. AFFAIRS: Relationships with Joni Mitchell [TheStaf] Book or bio [Robert Procyk ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2013 11:40:39 -0400 From: McKay Catherine Subject: Re: A Melody In Your Name Hi, Sue. Responding from my newer gmail account because yahoo is, once again, being a yahoo. It absolutely does sound to my ears like "we", not "me". As well, "we" makes more sense, since it takes into account that they were once a happy couple, not simply that the other party cared about her (but not necessarily she for him.) That's one of those songs I learned from that early songbook without ever having heard it before, so the way I used to sing it sounded a bit different! Partly because of the alt tunings vs standard, but also partly because of my not completely skilled music reading. On 2013-09-28, at 11:20 AM, Susan E. McNamara wrote: > Hi Folks, > > Regarding this song, here's the youtube video that was posted last week ... > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=er0DdKYZgA8 > > I'm tabbing this bad girl right now so I can play it at Pazfest next week. I > take issue with one of the lines in the lyrics (not sure who is in charge of > lyrics these days) ... instead of "Then it was me and spring came .." I'm > pretty sure she is singing "Then it was we and spring came ..." which makes > more sense to me anyway. > > You will get notification when I post the tab. It's the same generic tuning > as Songs to Aging Children, Carnival in Kenora and Raised on Robbery ... I'm > playing it BF#BF#BD#, capo 5 (B75754). > > 5 days and counting!!!!! Take care, Sue > > > Susan McNamara > Research Analyst > Advancement Research and Data Support > Alumni Affairs and Development > Cornell University > 203D, 130 Seneca Place > Ithaca, NY 14850 > phone: 607-255-3871 > fax: 607-254-7169 > email: sem8@cornell.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2013 15:20:51 +0000 From: "Susan E. McNamara" Subject: RE: A Melody In Your Name Hi Folks, Regarding this song, here's the youtube video that was posted last week ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=er0DdKYZgA8 I'm tabbing this bad girl right now so I can play it at Pazfest next week. I take issue with one of the lines in the lyrics (not sure who is in charge of lyrics these days) ... instead of "Then it was me and spring came .." I'm pretty sure she is singing "Then it was we and spring came ..." which makes more sense to me anyway. You will get notification when I post the tab. It's the same generic tuning as Songs to Aging Children, Carnival in Kenora and Raised on Robbery ... I'm playing it BF#BF#BD#, capo 5 (B75754). 5 days and counting!!!!! Take care, Sue Susan McNamara Research Analyst Advancement Research and Data Support Alumni Affairs and Development Cornell University 203D, 130 Seneca Place Ithaca, NY 14850 phone: 607-255-3871 fax: 607-254-7169 email: sem8@cornell.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2013 12:58:53 -0400 From: McKay Catherine Subject: Re: A Melody In Your Name There is apparently an order of Catholic nuns called the Holy Spirit Adoration sisters. They're also called "pink nuns" because the colour of their habit is pink. Barbie-doll pink! But they're one of those cloistered groups so not sure if it makes sense that Joni would have met one. They've been around since the late 1800s and they do have a few convents in the US. http://www.adorationsisters.org/history.html On 2013-09-28, at 12:50 PM, McKay Catherine wrote: > When I don't know the answers to things, I make them up. To me, at the time, the song sounded like a psychedelic/hippy song, so the pink nun was just one of those drug-induced, Alice-in-Wonderland type of things. > > Looking back on it now, as an old fart, I wonder if there's a correlation between the Pink Nun and Blue Nun wine? Wasn't that the German wine Joni used to drink? > > And then again, maybe it was a name she made up for someone she knew. My kids and I always make up names for people we see a lot of but don't know - there's Mr. Starey, and the White Witch and Mr Grouchy and so on. > > But, as I've already said, when I don't know answers to things, I just make stuff up. There's probably a real explanation for this! > > > On 2013-09-28, at 12:39 PM, Susan E. McNamara wrote: > >> Wow I can't imagine trying to play these songs without hearing them ... You are a trooper Catherine! Another question: Who is the Pink Nun? I find this character fascinating! >> >> Yes Paz ... I am ready to PAwtaY!! :-) >> >> Sue >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Sep 28, 2013, at 11:40 AM, "McKay Catherine" wrote: >> >>> Hi, Sue. Responding from my newer gmail account because yahoo is, once again, being a yahoo. >>> >>> It absolutely does sound to my ears like "we", not "me". As well, "we" makes more sense, since it takes into account that they were once a happy couple, not simply that the other party cared about her (but not necessarily she for him.) >>> >>> That's one of those songs I learned from that early songbook without ever having heard it before, so the way I used to sing it sounded a bit different! Partly because of the alt tunings vs standard, but also partly because of my not completely skilled music reading. >>> >>> >>> On 2013-09-28, at 11:20 AM, Susan E. McNamara wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Folks, >>>> >>>> Regarding this song, here's the youtube video that was posted last week ... >>>> >>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=er0DdKYZgA8 >>>> >>>> I'm tabbing this bad girl right now so I can play it at Pazfest next week. I >>>> take issue with one of the lines in the lyrics (not sure who is in charge of >>>> lyrics these days) ... instead of "Then it was me and spring came .." I'm >>>> pretty sure she is singing "Then it was we and spring came ..." which makes >>>> more sense to me anyway. >>>> >>>> You will get notification when I post the tab. It's the same generic tuning >>>> as Songs to Aging Children, Carnival in Kenora and Raised on Robbery ... I'm >>>> playing it BF#BF#BD#, capo 5 (B75754). >>>> >>>> 5 days and counting!!!!! Take care, Sue >>>> >>>> >>>> Susan McNamara >>>> Research Analyst >>>> Advancement Research and Data Support >>>> Alumni Affairs and Development >>>> Cornell University >>>> 203D, 130 Seneca Place >>>> Ithaca, NY 14850 >>>> phone: 607-255-3871 >>>> fax: 607-254-7169 >>>> email: sem8@cornell.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2013 10:02:19 -0700 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: new Hejira transcriptions I have posted some new Hejira transcriptions on the website, including some Jaco bass transcriptions for the intrepid among you. The Mutts' Hejira show is upcoming on Nov 9th and these charts were done in preparation for that. Some of them are in Joni's tunings and a few are in my own tunings. Try 'em out pickers! Dave http://jonimitchell.com/music/searchtranscriptions.cfm?from=guitar ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2013 13:45:12 -0700 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: new Hejira transcriptions I guess the link I gave went to the wrong place. This should work if you enter Hejira in the album field: http://jonimitchell.com/music/guitar.cfm On Sep 28, 2013, at 10:02 AM, Dave Blackburn wrote: > I have posted some new Hejira transcriptions on the website, including some > Jaco bass transcriptions for the intrepid among you. The Mutts' Hejira show is > upcoming on Nov 9th and these charts were done in preparation for that. > > Some of them are in Joni's tunings and a few are in my own tunings. > > Try 'em out pickers! > > Dave > > http://jonimitchell.com/music/searchtranscriptions.cfm?from=guitar ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2013 16:39:38 +0000 From: "Susan E. McNamara" Subject: Re: A Melody In Your Name Wow I can't imagine trying to play these songs without hearing them ... You are a trooper Catherine! Another question: Who is the Pink Nun? I find this character fascinating! Yes Paz ... I am ready to PAwtaY!! :-) Sue Sent from my iPhone On Sep 28, 2013, at 11:40 AM, "McKay Catherine" wrote: > Hi, Sue. Responding from my newer gmail account because yahoo is, once again, being a yahoo. > > It absolutely does sound to my ears like "we", not "me". As well, "we" makes more sense, since it takes into account that they were once a happy couple, not simply that the other party cared about her (but not necessarily she for him.) > > That's one of those songs I learned from that early songbook without ever having heard it before, so the way I used to sing it sounded a bit different! Partly because of the alt tunings vs standard, but also partly because of my not completely skilled music reading. > > > On 2013-09-28, at 11:20 AM, Susan E. McNamara wrote: > >> Hi Folks, >> >> Regarding this song, here's the youtube video that was posted last week ... >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=er0DdKYZgA8 >> >> I'm tabbing this bad girl right now so I can play it at Pazfest next week. I >> take issue with one of the lines in the lyrics (not sure who is in charge of >> lyrics these days) ... instead of "Then it was me and spring came .." I'm >> pretty sure she is singing "Then it was we and spring came ..." which makes >> more sense to me anyway. >> >> You will get notification when I post the tab. It's the same generic tuning >> as Songs to Aging Children, Carnival in Kenora and Raised on Robbery ... I'm >> playing it BF#BF#BD#, capo 5 (B75754). >> >> 5 days and counting!!!!! Take care, Sue >> >> >> Susan McNamara >> Research Analyst >> Advancement Research and Data Support >> Alumni Affairs and Development >> Cornell University >> 203D, 130 Seneca Place >> Ithaca, NY 14850 >> phone: 607-255-3871 >> fax: 607-254-7169 >> email: sem8@cornell.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2013 15:09:50 -0500 From: est86mlm@ameritech.net Subject: The Folk Tradition - Man Of Constant Sorrow The first cassette of music I bought, I believe, was Peter, Paul & Mary. On that cassette was this song, MAN OF CONSTANT SORROW. I actually still have the cassette and now my almost 20 year old son listens to it. I played it alot back in the day and I cannot believe it still plays!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WiXCD44t7bQ Anyways, this is how I know this song, with all it's harmony's, and was surprised to hear the version of it when watching the film, O Brother, Where Art Thou? and even bought the soundrack of this movie (alot of good music on it) Somewhere in recent years, looking up music on YouTube, I ran across another version of Man of Constant Sorrow and was shocked at how different it was from the Peter, Paul & Mary I was so familiar with. I wouldn't have even recognized it if not for the lyrics. This is all very enlightening, Simon. Laura On 9/26/2013 8:54 PM, simon@icu.com wrote: > Loudon Wainwright III once said "It's ALL Folk Music" > > > In the Folk Tradition ... What comes around, goes around ... > > Check out the following videos available on YouTube. > I think you'll find them interesting > > > Man Of Constant Sorrow - Bob Dylan 1963 > > > > ** Please ** ... Click on the 'Show More' button and read the notes. ** > > > Man Of Constant Sorrow - Roscoe Holcomb 1961 > > > > > Man Of Constant Sorrow - Ralph Stanley 1951 > > > > > Man Of Constant Sorrow - Emry Arthur 1928 > > > > One of the earliest recordings. See the note from Arthur's Great Grandson. > > > Man Of Constant Sorrow - Alison Krauss & Union Station (featuring Dan Tyminski) > > GODDAMN!! > > re: Dan Tyminski - HIS is the voice you hear in "O Brother, Where Art Thou?" > > > O Brother, Where Art Thou? - Grammy Performance (2002) > > > > > > > Good music doesn't die. It just keeps going on and on, around and around. You can't kill it. > > Duke Ellington once said "There are only two kinds of music, there's Good Music, and the other kind" > > ALL the above is Plenty Good! > > > > > andmoreagain, > - - - - - - - - - > simonM > > http://jonimitchell.com/chronology/ > > PS: One more video > > Show me a twenty-one year old today writing songs like this one. > Read the notes and see who else is sitting around listening. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2013 13:08:43 -0400 From: "Gary Z." Subject: Re: A Melody In Your Name/The Pink Nun Hi Sue, Here is my guess on this. We know that Joni played a lot of gigs at the Second Fret in Philadelphia, and I think it was around the time she wrote that song, and I often wonder if during the time she was in that city, she ever visited or heard about the Holy Spirit Adoration Sisters, an Order located in Philadelphia. They are often referred to as the "Pink Sisters" because they wear a pink habit. Here is their website: http://www.adorationsisters.org/ I wonder if that is where her "pink nun" came from? Best regards, Gary Z. Detroit P.S. I'm weird, but I LOVE nuns and have learned about many of them over the years!! Susan E. McNamara wrote: > Wow I can't imagine trying to play these songs without hearing them ... You are a trooper Catherine! Another question: Who is the Pink Nun? I find this character fascinating! > > Yes Paz ... I am ready to PAwtaY!! :-) > > Sue > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Sep 28, 2013, at 11:40 AM, "McKay Catherine" wrote: > > >> Hi, Sue. Responding from my newer gmail account because yahoo is, once again, being a yahoo. >> >> It absolutely does sound to my ears like "we", not "me". As well, "we" makes more sense, since it takes into account that they were once a happy couple, not simply that the other party cared about her (but not necessarily she for him.) >> >> That's one of those songs I learned from that early songbook without ever having heard it before, so the way I used to sing it sounded a bit different! Partly because of the alt tunings vs standard, but also partly because of my not completely skilled music reading. >> >> >> On 2013-09-28, at 11:20 AM, Susan E. McNamara wrote: >> >> >>> Hi Folks, >>> >>> Regarding this song, here's the youtube video that was posted last week ... >>> >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=er0DdKYZgA8 >>> >>> I'm tabbing this bad girl right now so I can play it at Pazfest next week. I >>> take issue with one of the lines in the lyrics (not sure who is in charge of >>> lyrics these days) ... instead of "Then it was me and spring came .." I'm >>> pretty sure she is singing "Then it was we and spring came ..." which makes >>> more sense to me anyway. >>> >>> You will get notification when I post the tab. It's the same generic tuning >>> as Songs to Aging Children, Carnival in Kenora and Raised on Robbery ... I'm >>> playing it BF#BF#BD#, capo 5 (B75754). >>> >>> 5 days and counting!!!!! Take care, Sue >>> >>> >>> Susan McNamara >>> Research Analyst >>> Advancement Research and Data Support >>> Alumni Affairs and Development >>> Cornell University >>> 203D, 130 Seneca Place >>> Ithaca, NY 14850 >>> phone: 607-255-3871 >>> fax: 607-254-7169 >>> email: sem8@cornell.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2013 12:50:49 -0400 From: McKay Catherine Subject: Re: A Melody In Your Name When I don't know the answers to things, I make them up. To me, at the time, the song sounded like a psychedelic/hippy song, so the pink nun was just one of those drug-induced, Alice-in-Wonderland type of things. Looking back on it now, as an old fart, I wonder if there's a correlation between the Pink Nun and Blue Nun wine? Wasn't that the German wine Joni used to drink? And then again, maybe it was a name she made up for someone she knew. My kids and I always make up names for people we see a lot of but don't know - there's Mr. Starey, and the White Witch and Mr Grouchy and so on. But, as I've already said, when I don't know answers to things, I just make stuff up. There's probably a real explanation for this! On 2013-09-28, at 12:39 PM, Susan E. McNamara wrote: > Wow I can't imagine trying to play these songs without hearing them ... You are a trooper Catherine! Another question: Who is the Pink Nun? I find this character fascinating! > > Yes Paz ... I am ready to PAwtaY!! :-) > > Sue > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Sep 28, 2013, at 11:40 AM, "McKay Catherine" wrote: > >> Hi, Sue. Responding from my newer gmail account because yahoo is, once again, being a yahoo. >> >> It absolutely does sound to my ears like "we", not "me". As well, "we" makes more sense, since it takes into account that they were once a happy couple, not simply that the other party cared about her (but not necessarily she for him.) >> >> That's one of those songs I learned from that early songbook without ever having heard it before, so the way I used to sing it sounded a bit different! Partly because of the alt tunings vs standard, but also partly because of my not completely skilled music reading. >> >> >> On 2013-09-28, at 11:20 AM, Susan E. McNamara wrote: >> >>> Hi Folks, >>> >>> Regarding this song, here's the youtube video that was posted last week ... >>> >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=er0DdKYZgA8 >>> >>> I'm tabbing this bad girl right now so I can play it at Pazfest next week. I >>> take issue with one of the lines in the lyrics (not sure who is in charge of >>> lyrics these days) ... instead of "Then it was me and spring came .." I'm >>> pretty sure she is singing "Then it was we and spring came ..." which makes >>> more sense to me anyway. >>> >>> You will get notification when I post the tab. It's the same generic tuning >>> as Songs to Aging Children, Carnival in Kenora and Raised on Robbery ... I'm >>> playing it BF#BF#BD#, capo 5 (B75754). >>> >>> 5 days and counting!!!!! Take care, Sue >>> >>> >>> Susan McNamara >>> Research Analyst >>> Advancement Research and Data Support >>> Alumni Affairs and Development >>> Cornell University >>> 203D, 130 Seneca Place >>> Ithaca, NY 14850 >>> phone: 607-255-3871 >>> fax: 607-254-7169 >>> email: sem8@cornell.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2013 08:53:53 +0100 From: Damian Naimad Subject: Travelogue documentary I wonder whatever became of the film Joni did of the making of the Travelogue album? http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=1020&from=search Sounds like it was finished and ready for the Sundance Festival. I'd love to see it! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2013 09:46:36 -0600 (MDT) From: TheStaff@JoniMitchell.com Subject: New Library item: L.A. AFFAIRS: Relationships with Joni Mitchell Title: L.A. AFFAIRS: Relationships with Joni Mitchell Publication: Los Angeles Times Date: 2013.9.27 http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=2692 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2013 00:30:17 -0600 From: Robert Procyk Subject: Book or bio It's funny how all of us on the JMDL can differ so greatly - I think Girls Like Us is the definitive Joni bio, and the Mercer book is completely affected rubbish. But then there are others who totally disagree. And it's sorta cool that we can disagree in these ways. My advice is to try them all out and see what you like (except that Hinton book - I think we all agree that is rubbish). Rob Sent from my iPhone ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2013 #1337 ****************************** ------- To post messages to the list, sendtojoni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------